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* <span class="anchor" id="Kalki Avatar and Muhammad"></span>'''[[:Kalki Avatar and Muhammad]]''' – Closure '''endorsed''' per [[WP:SNOW]]. OP is a block evading IP sock. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' <sup>(''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'')</sup> 10:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC) <small>(Non administrator closure)</small> <!--*-->
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<s>The page was deleted in a hurry without proper analysis of the given 68 sources, I can prove the notibility of the article. [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 19:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</s>
*The most recent discussion was open for nearly a month - 7 days is usually considered sufficient - and previous deletion discussions date all the way back to December 2014. There was ''nothing'' hurried about this. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 20:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
*Thanks [[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]]. I have to say, of all the AfDs I've seen, few have come with this much history, including four previous AfDs. I stand by my comments at the AfD: a bunch of people voted to keep, but none provided any evidence: "The discussion of the book is described in many sources", "because the article itself says it's passed WP:GNG" (speaking of cryptic), "Obviously this article passes WP:GNG according to above reference"--etc. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
*:'''Strong overturn''' due to admin’s failure to read the whole wall of text, especially the stuff posted after the 3rd relisting.
*:@[[User:Drmies|Drmies]], I can’t believe you wrote your comment above ([https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_August_17&diff=prev&oldid=1170888108 20:09 17 August, 2023])
*:I don’t even care about this stupid book but because it had been relisted 3 times, because it was so contentious and because the last relisting admin requested a source review, I spent 2 hours on a detailed review which I said I posted at:
*:*[[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Kalki Avatar and Muhammad]]
*:Did you even look at this??? '' I said in my comments on the AfD page that I had posted my source analysis on the talk page because it was so long.''
*:I said the book was notable but recommended merge and delete (merge to author’s page.
*:I came to this page to support your decision even though I disagreed with it. In general, I support closing admins in tough cases even if I disagree with them.
*:Now that I see how cursory your decision was, I strongly oppose it.
*:This is so demoralizing. I just wanted to help and you stepped all over my work.
*:—<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 17:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
*'''Endorse''' as 1) I'm not seeing anything improper in Drmies' close and 2) this nomination addresses none of the points at [[WP:DRVPURPOSE]]. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 20:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
<s>* If you gave me the deleted version, I could give a source analysis of 68 sources. I request you to give the most broad version of the article as draft page so that I could give a source analysis. In the afd source analysis, they avoided these points, one voter said reference of the Jordanian Journal of Islamic Studies of [[World Islamic Sciences and Education University]] can not be taken as it is a '''fringe Islamic university''' but it is a public govt. University of a state owned by Jordanian national prince [[Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad]] and the Jordanian Journal of Islamic Studies is many times cited by google scholar [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22The+Jordanian+Journal+of+Islamic+Studies%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart]. ref 14 was reliable when it is in [[Noormags]] and [[Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi]] of source 2 was former high comissioner of pakistan [https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sxsrf=AB5stBhDTShBm9dx_44VponZ9DwwaQqwVA:1691611751991&q=Center+for+Global+and+Strategic+Studies,+Islamabad&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA1szssNCAAxWfyDgGHWCFBIwQ0pQJegQIXxAB&biw=360&bih=668&dpr=2 see here] many estalished publishers used "Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad" as reliable source. And as for source 12, one voter said that undergraduate phd thesis is not acceptable but [[WP:RS]] says: "Reliable scholarship – Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses. Dissertations – Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a doctorate, and which are publicly available (most via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources. Some of them will have gone through a process of academic peer reviewing, of varying levels of rigor, but some will not. If possible, use theses that have been cited in the literature; supervised by recognized specialists in the field; or reviewed by independent parties. Dissertations in progress have not been vetted and are not regarded as published and are thus not reliable sources as a rule. Some theses are later published in the form of scholarly monographs or peer reviewed articles, and, if available, these are usually preferable to the original thesis as sources. Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.". and that's what the ref 12 meets. And ref 13's author Hafiz Muhammad Naeem is in scopus.com. [https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=57224866546 see here]. And the writer for the ref 14 (Sayed Mohammad Rouhani) is an assistant professor of [[University of Religions and Denominations]] ([https://jrs.srbiau.ac.ir/article_13856_67d7411aa6296ea7aaaf9e81483193bb.pdf see it]), [https://csh.journals.miu.ac.ir/article_4145.html it], [http://marefateadyan.nashriyat.ir/node/184 it], [https://coth.ui.ac.ir/?_action=export&rf=isc&issue=4027&lang=en it] and [article_86920_5c7cc43d6110a9... https://www.entizar.ir/article_86920_5c7cc43d6110a9a5d6975f2add71f6c8.pdf it] by google lens translate). I can give analysis of all the other sources too. See [https://jang.com.pk/news/1002676 here] in [[Daily Jang]] and [https://www.urdupoint.com/daily/article/kalki-avtar-3308.html here] in [[Urdu Point]] by google translate, and [https://www.nation.com.pk/10-Jul-2011/kalki-autar here] in English in [[The Nation (Pakistan)]] and [https://www.odatv4.com/medya/nihat-hatipoglu-hindulari-musluman-ilan-etti-20121914-174878 here] in Turkish in [[OdaTV]], the book has been discussed there broadly.Also there is media coverage of being converted to muslim by reading this book.<ref>{{cite news |title=قصص من الحياة: قصة اسلام ارون كومار من عبادّ الأبقار (Stories from life: the story of self-submission (convertion to Islam) of Arun Kumar, a cow worshiper)|url=https://www.alwatanvoice.com/arabic/news/2014/07/08/563800.html |access-date=29 July 2023 |work=[[:ar:دنيا الوطن]] (AlWatan Voice)|date=8 July 2014 |language=ar}}</ref> [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 20:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</s>▼
*:@[[User:The ed17|The ed17]]: the closing admin has said above he didn’t see any real source analysis. See my comments above. There was an extensive source analysis after the 3rd relisting. Agree with my specific assessments or not, it was detailed and so extensive I put it on the talk page to avoid overwhelming an AfD that was already a wall of text. In my AfD comment I specifically said to look at the talk page.
*:In light of this, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]]’s comments above indicate his review was hasty and cursory.
*:—<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 17:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
*::P.S., @[[User:The ed17|The ed17]] the irony is that I came here to support the admin since this was a big, difficult AfD and admins need support when dealing with these, even when I disagree with the outcome. I was an admin myself before a long wikibreak.
*::When I read [[User:Drmies]]’s [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_August_17&diff=prev&oldid=1170888108 comment above] I realized this was actually a flawed, cursory close.
*::—<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 17:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
▲* If you gave me the deleted version, I could give a source analysis of 68 sources. I request you to give the most broad version of the article as draft page so that I could give a source analysis. In the afd source analysis, they avoided these points, one voter said reference of the Jordanian Journal of Islamic Studies of [[World Islamic Sciences and Education University]] can not be taken as it is a '''fringe Islamic university''' but it is a public govt. University of a state owned by Jordanian national prince [[Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad]] and the Jordanian Journal of Islamic Studies is many times cited by google scholar [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22The+Jordanian+Journal+of+Islamic+Studies%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart]. ref 14 was reliable when it is in [[Noormags]] and [[Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi]] of source 2 was former high comissioner of pakistan [https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sxsrf=AB5stBhDTShBm9dx_44VponZ9DwwaQqwVA:1691611751991&q=Center+for+Global+and+Strategic+Studies,+Islamabad&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA1szssNCAAxWfyDgGHWCFBIwQ0pQJegQIXxAB&biw=360&bih=668&dpr=2 see here] many estalished publishers used "Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad" as reliable source. And as for source 12, one voter said that undergraduate phd thesis is not acceptable but [[WP:RS]] says: "Reliable scholarship – Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses. Dissertations – Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a doctorate, and which are publicly available (most via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources. Some of them will have gone through a process of academic peer reviewing, of varying levels of rigor, but some will not. If possible, use theses that have been cited in the literature; supervised by recognized specialists in the field; or reviewed by independent parties. Dissertations in progress have not been vetted and are not regarded as published and are thus not reliable sources as a rule. Some theses are later published in the form of scholarly monographs or peer reviewed articles, and, if available, these are usually preferable to the original thesis as sources. Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.". and that's what the ref 12 meets. And ref 13's author Hafiz Muhammad Naeem is in scopus.com. [https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=57224866546 see here]. And the writer for the ref 14 (Sayed Mohammad Rouhani) is an assistant professor of [[University of Religions and Denominations]] ([https://jrs.srbiau.ac.ir/article_13856_67d7411aa6296ea7aaaf9e81483193bb.pdf see it]), [https://csh.journals.miu.ac.ir/article_4145.html it], [http://marefateadyan.nashriyat.ir/node/184 it], [https://coth.ui.ac.ir/?_action=export&rf=isc&issue=4027&lang=en it] and [article_86920_5c7cc43d6110a9... https://www.entizar.ir/article_86920_5c7cc43d6110a9a5d6975f2add71f6c8.pdf it] by google lens translate). I can give analysis of all the other sources too. See [https://jang.com.pk/news/1002676 here] in [[Daily Jang]] and [https://www.urdupoint.com/daily/article/kalki-avtar-3308.html here] in [[Urdu Point]] by google translate, and [https://www.nation.com.pk/10-Jul-2011/kalki-autar here] in English in [[The Nation (Pakistan)]] and [https://www.odatv4.com/medya/nihat-hatipoglu-hindulari-musluman-ilan-etti-20121914-174878 here] in Turkish in [[OdaTV]], the book has been discussed there broadly.Also there is media coverage of being converted to muslim by reading this book.<ref>{{cite news |title=قصص من الحياة: قصة اسلام ارون كومار من عبادّ الأبقار (Stories from life: the story of self-submission (convertion to Islam) of Arun Kumar, a cow worshiper)|url=https://www.alwatanvoice.com/arabic/news/2014/07/08/563800.html |access-date=29 July 2023 |work=[[:ar:دنيا الوطن]] (AlWatan Voice)|date=8 July 2014 |language=ar}}</ref> [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 20:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
** I'm not willing to temp restore the article; the amount of quoting in it is so great - almost three quarters by length, with multiple passages of ten paragraphs or more from individual sources - that it constitutes copyright infringement. I ''may'' be convinced to paste the sources - just the links, not the absurdly excessive quotes from them - here, but before I do: are you the same person who previously edited the article from addresses 202.134.8.137, 202.134.10.138, and 202.134.13.130? —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
<s>**:No. [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 21:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</s>
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[https://books.google.com/books?id=yf5aJi2loLcC&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&pg=PA241 47] [https://books.google.com/books?id=uO0gEAAAQBAJ&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&pg=PT427 48] [https://books.google.com/books?id=xPFOAQAAIAAJ&q=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash 49] [https://books.google.com/books?id=P0SlCgAAQBAJ&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&pg=PA531 50] [https://www.kalerkantho.com/print-edition/islamic-life/2020/07/27/939583 51] [https://books.google.com/books?id=zjWqXCOTehMC&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&pg=PA143 52] [https://books.google.com/books?id=qObsDwAAQBAJ&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&pg=PA51 53] [https://books.google.com/books?id=AxkoDAAAQBAJ&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&pg=PA238 54] [https://books.google.com/books?id=Q95qCQAAQBAJ&dq=ved+prakash+muhammad&pg=PT93 55] [https://books.google.com/books?id=vxemBQAAQBAJ&dq=Ahamiddhi&pg=PT70 56] [https://books.google.com/books?id=ednXAAAAMAAJ&q=%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%AF+%D9%BE%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B4+%D8%A7%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AF%DA%BE%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%92 57] [https://books.google.com/books?id=Z-JFAQAAIAAJ&q=%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%AF+%D9%BE%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B4+%D8%A7%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AF%DA%BE%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%92 58] [https://books.google.com/books?id=ntXXAAAAMAAJ&q=%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%AF+%D9%BE%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B4+%D8%A7%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AF%DA%BE%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%92 59] [https://books.google.com/books?id=EujXAAAAMAAJ&q=%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%AF+%D9%BE%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B4+%D8%A7%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AF%DA%BE%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%92 60] [https://acikbilim.yok.gov.tr/bitstream/handle/20.500.12812/311961/yokAcikBilim_420199.pdf%3Fsequence%3D-1%26isAllowed%3Dy&ved=2ahUKEwiL2JuDvMCAAxUg9zgGHY2jC-84ChAWegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw2W7OlgkU3-m4V6WFXZhfzO 61] [https://www.iasj.net/iasj/pdf/a23772304749382f 62] [https://www.noor-book.com/%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A3%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D9%86%D8%AF-pdf 63] [https://books.google.com/books?id=zLGztAEACAAJ&q=%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9+%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A3%D8%AB%D8%B1+%D8%A8%D8%B9%D8%B6+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9+%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7 64] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KteGroIh940 65]. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
**:::Not, btw, that anybody is going to be willing to wade through an analysis of ''all'' of those at this point. If you want any hope at all of convincing anybody, the way to do it is to pick the [[WP:THREE|three (and ''only'' three) best sources]] that haven't already been rebutted at the afd. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
<s>**:: [https://books.google.com.bd/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&redir_esc=y&id=575gAAAAIAAJ&dq=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%8A+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85+%D9%81%D9%8A+%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%AF+%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%89&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Ved+prarkash+upaddhayaya this], [https://books.google.com.bd/books?id=ZB1RCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT323&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwyaPj2uSAAxXJUGwGHZi9Dd0Q6AF6BAgKEAM this] and [https://www.urdupoint.com/daily/article/kalki-avtar-3308.html this]. [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 22:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</s>▼
**::::@[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]]: I already did an extensive source review per [[User:Liz|Liz]]’s request in her 3rd relisting comment:
**::::* [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Kalki Avatar and Muhammad]]
**::::I got through about 25% of them in 2 hours. I noted the talk page material in my AfD comment.
**::::I’d be willing to look at more but only if I was assured that someone would read them. From comments elsewhere at this DRV about the lack of any source analysis, I don’t think they have.
**::::I have tried to help out by digging for and analyzing sources in tough AfDs, especially 3rd relistings, even if I don’t care for the topic. I am beginning to think this is a fool’s errand and not worth the time.
**::::—<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 17:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
▲**:: [https://books.google.com.bd/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&redir_esc=y&id=575gAAAAIAAJ&dq=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%8A+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85+%D9%81%D9%8A+%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%AF+%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%89&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Ved+prarkash+upaddhayaya this], [https://books.google.com.bd/books?id=ZB1RCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT323&dq=kalki+muhammad+ved+prakash&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwyaPj2uSAAxXJUGwGHZi9Dd0Q6AF6BAgKEAM this] and [https://www.urdupoint.com/daily/article/kalki-avtar-3308.html this]. [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 22:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
**:If anything, it ought to be an IP sock of {{no ping|Lazy-restless}}, who originally created an article on the subject and seemed to use socks to recreate it. '''''[[User:LilianaUwU|<span style="font-family:default;color:#246BCE;">Liliana</span><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#FF1493;">UwU</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:LilianaUwU|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/LilianaUwU|contributions]])</sup> 21:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
**::The ips I mentioned above are all currently blocked as open proxies, so, yeah, take it how you will. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
<s>**:::I was interested on that topic, that's why I noticed the matter, otherwise I don't know the user you mentioned above who it is. And thanks to cryptic for giving the references. [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 21:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</s>
*'''Endorse''' Good close, nothing really to review here. [[User:SportingFlyer|SportingFlyer]] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">[[User talk:SportingFlyer|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer|C]]</span>'' 21:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
*'''Endorse''' with a formal warning to the appellant. I was about to say "with a [[WP:TROUT|trout]]", but a trout is normally for good-faith silly stuff. This appears to be a bad-faith use of [[WP:DRV|DRV]]. [[User:Liz]] asked for a source analysis in the second relisting, and again in the third relisting. Why didn't the appellant provide a source analysis at that point? The article wasn't deleted in a hurry without proper analysis of the sources. It was deleted after the request for an analysis of the sources was unanswered for two weeks. As [[User:Cryptic]] says, the only recourse now is to provide [[WP:THREE|three]] sources that haven't been refuted. This appears to be a bad-faith use of [[WP:DRV|DRV]]. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 00:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]]: I don’t see how you can say this. See my comment above. In response to [[User:Liz|Liz]]’s request for a source analysis after the 3rd relisting, I spent 2 hours and got through about 25% of them. My write up was long enough that I posted it on the talk page so it wouldn’t overwhelm the AfD. I then noted in my AfD comment to refer to this.
*:—<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 17:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
*'''Endorse''' correct close. No prejudice against recreation (preferably via [[WP:AFC]] process). I oppose any formal warnings to the appellant. [[User:Carson Wentz|Carson Wentz]] ([[User talk:Carson Wentz|talk]]) 14:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
*:Well, the appellant was blocked for socking, so this point for not warning them is moot. [[User:CapnJackSp|Captain Jack Sparrow]] ([[User talk:CapnJackSp|talk]]) 15:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 
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