Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 August 17: Difference between revisions

*The most recent discussion was open for nearly a month - 7 days is usually considered sufficient - and previous deletion discussions date all the way back to December 2014. There was ''nothing'' hurried about this. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 20:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

*Thanks [[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]]. I have to say, of all the AfDs I've seen, few have come with this much history, including four previous AfDs. I stand by my comments at the AfD: a bunch of people voted to keep, but none provided any evidence: "The discussion of the book is described in many sources", "because the article itself says it's passed WP:GNG" (speaking of cryptic), "Obviously this article passes WP:GNG according to above reference"--etc. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

*'''Endorse''' as 1) I'm not seeing anything improper in Drmies' close and 2) this nomination addresses none of the points at [[WP:DRVPURPOSE]]. [[User:The ed17|Ed]] ^{[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]] [[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]} 20:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

* If you gave me the deleted version, I could give a source analysis of 68 sources. I request you to give the most broad version of the article as draft page so that I could give a source analysis. In the afd source analysis, they avoided these points, one voter said reference of the Jordanian Journal of Islamic Studies of [[World Islamic Sciences and Education University]] can not be taken as it is a '''fringe Islamic university''' but it is a public govt. University of a state owned by Jordanian national prince [[Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad]] and the Jordanian Journal of Islamic Studies is many times cited by google scholar [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22The+Jordanian+Journal+of+Islamic+Studies%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart]. ref 14 was reliable when it is in [[Noormags]] and [[Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi]] of source 2 was former high comissioner of pakistan [https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sxsrf=AB5stBhDTShBm9dx_44VponZ9DwwaQqwVA:1691611751991&q=Center+for+Global+and+Strategic+Studies,+Islamabad&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA1szssNCAAxWfyDgGHWCFBIwQ0pQJegQIXxAB&biw=360&bih=668&dpr=2 see here] many estalished publishers used "Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad" as reliable source. And as for source 12, one voter said that undergraduate phd thesis is not acceptable but [[WP:RS]] says: "Reliable scholarship – Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses. Dissertations – Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a doctorate, and which are publicly available (most via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources. Some of them will have gone through a process of academic peer reviewing, of varying levels of rigor, but some will not. If possible, use theses that have been cited in the literature; supervised by recognized specialists in the field; or reviewed by independent parties. Dissertations in progress have not been vetted and are not regarded as published and are thus not reliable sources as a rule. Some theses are later published in the form of scholarly monographs or peer reviewed articles, and, if available, these are usually preferable to the original thesis as sources. Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.". and that's what the ref 12 meets. And ref 13's author Hafiz Muhammad Naeem is in scopus.com. [https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=57224866546 see here]. And the writer for the ref 14 (Sayed Mohammad Rouhani) is an assistant professor of [[University of Religions and Denominations]] ([https://jrs.srbiau.ac.ir/article_13856_67d7411aa6296ea7aaaf9e81483193bb.pdf see it]), [https://csh.journals.miu.ac.ir/article_4145.html it], [http://marefateadyan.nashriyat.ir/node/184 it], [https://coth.ui.ac.ir/?_action=export&rf=isc&issue=4027&lang=en it] and [article_86920_5c7cc43d6110a9... https://www.entizar.ir/article_86920_5c7cc43d6110a9a5d6975f2add71f6c8.pdf it] by google lens translate). I can give analysis of all the other sources too. See [https://jang.com.pk/news/1002676 here] in [[Daily Jang]] and [https://www.urdupoint.com/daily/article/kalki-avtar-3308.html here] in [[Urdu Point]] by google translate, and [https://www.nation.com.pk/10-Jul-2011/kalki-autar here] in English in [[The Nation (Pakistan)]] and [https://www.odatv4.com/medya/nihat-hatipoglu-hindulari-musluman-ilan-etti-20121914-174878 here] in Turkish in [[OdaTV]], the book has been discussed there broadly.Also there is media coverage of being converted to muslim by reading this book.<ref>{{cite news |title=قصص من الحياة: قصة اسلام ارون كومار من عبادّ الأبقار (Stories from life: the story of self-submission (convertion to Islam) of Arun Kumar, a cow worshiper)|url=https://www.alwatanvoice.com/arabic/news/2014/07/08/563800.html |access-date=29 July 2023 |work=[[:ar:دنيا الوطن]] (AlWatan Voice)|date=8 July 2014 |language=ar}}</ref> [[Special:Contributions/202.134.10.141|202.134.10.141]] ([[User talk:202.134.10.141|talk]]) 20:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)