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::<u>Any region/administrative division must have a specified territory.</u> Russian government openly says they do not know what territory they are talking apout [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/03/kremlin-unclear-on-which-parts-of-ukraine-it-has-annexed]. That's why I voted "delete". [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 14:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm, that's a fair point and I'd like to see countearguments; if not, I'd be fine with redirecting this. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 11:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
::::Well, the law (which is total BS, but still) here is fairly clear. Article 3 [http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202210050008 says] that "the limits of the territory of Kherson Oblast are defined by the territory of Kherson Oblast at the time of joining the Russian Federation and the creation of the federal subject within the Russian Federation". [https://iz.ru/1398728/2022-09-21/snegirevku-i-aleksandrovku-nikolaevskoi-oblasti-vkliuchili-v-sostav-khersonskoi The deputy governor says] that all of Kherson Oblast and a few settlements in Mykolayiv Oblast (like [[Snihurivka]]) are under (Russian) Kherson Oblast administration, so it appears that the claimed territories are defined pretty well (Ukrainian Kherson Oblast + whatever parts of Mykolayiv Oblast they controlled militarily as of 30 Sep); those that they control, not so much. In other words, from the perspective of Russian law no one outside Russia or Syria is going to recognise, there are Ukrainian Armed Forces battalions operating on Russian soil without relevant authorisation and which are attacking the Russian Armed Forces. My crystal ball says that's a good pretext to introduce full-scale martial law due to the (artificially and deliberately created) threat to territorial integrity the Ukrainians pose, but maybe mine is broken. [[User:Szmenderowiecki|Szmenderowiecki]] ([[User talk:Szmenderowiecki|talk]]) 12:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' The subjects of the federation are listed in the constitution, and this has not been changed yet. As of today, there are no sources to confirm that there is an administrative unit in Russia with such a name (assuming the annexation of these areas to Russia). The media do not create administrative units, and, in this case, "news" are definitely not enough. [[User:Aotearoa|Aotearoa]] ([[User talk:Aotearoa|talk]]) 10:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
* '''Reminder''' to everyone voting keep. '''These oblasts don't actually exist'''. And I don't mean "they exist but are unrecognized". I mean they don't exist. The Russians haven't even decided yet what borders they're supposed to have! Please actually bother looking through the freakin' sources in the article. Not one, not a single source in these articles say that these oblasts have been created. This whole thing is completely invented by a Wikipedia user. Maybe at some future date these will exist. But they don't right now. There's no law or treaty or anything establishing them. This. Is. Made. Up. Please actually bother looking through the sources in the article - NONE of which support the claims made - before casting your POV driven votes.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Volunteer Marek|<span style="color:orange;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Volunteer Marek '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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