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::::That is not how [[WP:RS]] like The Times, The Guardian and The BBC describe them, and it is how balanced and non-partisan sources such as that refer to a subject which guides how we do. [[User:Void if removed|Void if removed]] ([[User talk:Void if removed|talk]]) 19:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::All of those sources have themselves faced extensive criticism for transphobia[https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/10/27/bbc-trans-transphobia-open-letter-backlash/][https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/03/07/hundreds-guardian-staff-letter-to-editor-pattern-transphobic-content/][https://www.them.us/story/bbc-latest-transphobic-screed-is-a-mockery-of-journalism]. British media generally have an extremely poor reputation[https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/index.html][https://www.them.us/story/british-media-transphobia] as far as LGBT+/trans issues are concerned. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&oldid=1233396026#RFC:_The_Telegraph_on_trans_issues We just decided] that another of them, one of the sources used here to present a biased view of this anti-trans group, The Daily Telegraph, ''is not generally reliable'' as a source on trans-related issues or the extremist (as noted by UN Women[https://www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/explainer/2024/05/lgbtiq-communities-and-the-anti-rights-pushback-5-things-to-know]) gender-critical ideology, and I believe the same should apply to those you mentioned as well in light of a consistent pattern of transphobia and extremist content, including [["We're being pressured into sex by some trans women"|fabricated stories]]. We treat Russian media—even their equivalent of the BBC, i.e. state media—with a lot of skepticism when they "report" on the Russian invasion of Ukraine (or LGBT+ rights in Russia, for that sake), and the same caution is called for when it comes to the treatment of trans issues in British media, against the backdrop of [https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/01/25/council-of-europe-uk-lgbt-trans-rights-russ-apoland/ international condemnation of "virulent attacks" on LGBT+ rights in the UK] and international criticism of rampant transphobia in British media[https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/09/uk/uk-trans-rights-gender-critical-media-intl-gbr-cmd/index.html]. --[[User:Amanda A. Brant|Amanda A. Brant]] ([[User talk:Amanda A. Brant|talk]]) 19:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Trans activists are prone to throwing tantrums when they don't get their way; they insist that all media toe their idological line without the slightest deviation, and issue fervent open letters denouncing them when they don't. The New York Times has also been a target for this. Increasingly, the media is showing journalistic backbone and ignoring the screams of activists and getting on with covering current events in a more balanced way. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] ([[User talk:Dtobias|talk]]) 21:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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