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Articles on Abhira or Ahir edit

One can refer gamit of articles Yadav_(disambiguation) by various communities including historical, mythological reference, pre-sanskritization, sanskritization, modern, post-indepdence. Good to improve this articles using pre-sanskritization reference for example:

A book written long before sanskritisation by James Todd "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan 1829" ^[1]

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^ James Todd. Tod, James (1829). Annals and Antiquities of Rajast'han or the Central and Western Rajpoot States of India, Volume 1. London: Smith, Elder.

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chang traditionally non-elite to elite and non-elite Gouravwikie (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not done Please provide a reliable source RegentsPark (comment) 22:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

What is the logic behind calling a caste as “non-elite” AkkuDreamz (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@AkkuDreamz It is described as such in independent sources. Since castes traditionally have a hierarchy, it makes sense to mention its position in the hierarchy. —C.Fred (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

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"Although this movement, founded by Swami Dayananda Saraswati, favoured a caste hierarchy and also endogamy, its supporters believed that caste should be determined on merit rather than on heritage".

This is wrong since Arya Samaj categorically rejects both caste and endogamy. Factpineapple (talk) 11:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

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non-elite ==> Elite Sushilyadav27 (talk) 15:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 16:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

The use of the phrase “non-elite” seems to be based on discriminatory bias and is unacceptable. There is no such reference in the India literature both mythological and genealogical.

It should be removed AkkuDreamz (talk) 17:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@AkkuDreamz The phrase "non-elite" is included in a quote from one of the sources. —C.Fred (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@C.Fred: According to Lucia Michelutti, the Yadavs are elite and non-elite community. 2409:4085:9D89:8255:0:0:8149:B906 (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

What's the quotation to back that up? —C.Fred (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

According to Lucia Michelutti, Amongst the Ahir/Yadav caste we find rajas, zamindars, sepoys, and cowherders who have been conceived and categorised either as warriors and as belonging to the Kshatriya varna, or as lower caste and belonging to the Shudra varna.https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Vernacularisation_of_Democracy/sOYJEAAAQBAJ?hl=en 2409:4085:9D89:8255:0:0:8149:B906 (talk) 09:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@C.Fred please look into this there is only one source that is mentioning non elite, most of the sources describe yadavs as traditionally agricultural and well to do community. 2409:4050:EB8:A49A:54BA:BC28:F5C3:D683 (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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change "traditionally non-elite, peasant-pastoral communities" to traditionally agricultural community. As most of the castes identified along with Yadavs like Jat, earlier the page Jat had non elite as well but it is now removed or the other castes like Gujjar which are even considered lower in hierarchy than Ahirs and Jats also do not mention something like this. I think this is the Major problem in this page, seniors edtors may have a look. Refrences ^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7] Brandon42Paul (talk) 14:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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[Abhira-1] James Todd. Tod, James (1829). Annals and Antiquities of Rajast'han or the Central and Western Rajpoot States of India, Volume 1. London: Smith, Elder.

[2] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Other_Lucknow/fjO6DQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PT49&printsec=frontcover

[3] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Geographical_Review_of_India/J4E7AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=ahir+agricultural++community&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&printsec=frontcover

[4] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Post_Disaster_Reconstruction_and_Change/UXbWBwtRXGsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PA85&printsec=frontcover

[5] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Report_of_the_Backward_Classes_Commissio/aH3aAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=ahir+agricultural++community&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&printsec=frontcover

[6] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Followers_of_Krishna/p69GMA226bgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PA182&printsec=frontcover

[7] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Religion_Caste_and_Politics_in_India/XAO3i_gS61wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=yadavs+well+to+do+caste&pg=PA475&printsec=frontcover

[8] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Rajasthan/vm_KCE4XXPMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+rajasthan&printsec=frontcover

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