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Hey everyone!

Bear with me here - my original compilation past the late 1930s was lost when my browser froze so I have to re-find a few things...but I have all the early, good stuff, so here we go.

The article was originally deleted in late March/early April via PROD. The issue stated was that Ceres is not a community in the present day and lack of sources on the page and attempts to find other sources yielded few, if anything, of note.

Where I agree - Ceres was a rail station with a small post office in a grocer's building, surrounded by a farming community at its beginnings. The depot was across the tracks from the general store. Also, during my search. I can agree that Ceres is no longer a recognizable community.

The area begins to be referred to as "Ceres Hill", rather than Ceres beginning in the early 1930s, and by the end of the 20th century, Ceres seems to never be referred to as a community, mostly just a general area. Based on that, I find that simply rewriting the article to classify Ceres as a "former community" to be a proper course of action. I lead to this source during the massive floods caused during the Great Coastal Gale of 2007 that hit Lewis County - [1] - where a trip to view the aftereffects of the event doesn't give Ceres (the community) a mention, just a brief summary of damages of infrastructure around Ceres Hill. If a catastrophic event that hit an existing town/community doesn't mention a community while visiting said community, it probably doesn't formally exist anymore.

Where I disagree - that Ceres was never a community.

Now, onto the fact that Ceres was a community in the past. Below is a list of sources about Ceres as a community - mentioning either outright or in a vein as one would in talking about a community.

Overall history -

  • from the Pacific County Historical Society and Museum referring to Ceres as a community with depot, post office, and store. The depot was known as Long's Crossing.[2]
  • Another brief overall history of Ceres clearly describing the community as small and mentions the school, post office, and depot (and a decent photo of the building, too).[3]
  • Mentions of describing Ceres as "Ceres district". Outside of voting, post office, or World War I fundraising, almost always in terms of farming - 1920 pioneer farmer from Ceres runs for Chehalis mayor;[4] 1931 article about drought relief and farming.[5] District description is off-and-on into the 1950s.

Specific Ceres event and history -

  • Undated - operation of a steamer from Ceres to the Skookumchuck River. Still searching for more.[6]
  • 1897 - loss of splash dam built by loggers/mill[7] due to 1897 flood.[8]
  • 1898 - early mention of Ceres station on rail line along with towns of Adna, Washington and Claquato, both of which grew beyond a rail station to become communities or towns.[9]
  • 1899, 1901, 1903 - early mentions of "Ceres station" and build of Ceres Bridge.[10][11][12]
  • 1908 - grocery built in August;[13] post office established in October.[14]
  • 1911 - installation of phone lines in Ceres, "intermediate houses of note", "residents are delighted".[15]
  • 1918 - report of a Ceres logging camp; not unusual in timber-heavy WA state.[16]
  • 1924 - Detailed route description of Ceres postmaster/carrier; information written certainly describes a complex, well-traveled route and pickup surpassing a "pigeon cabinet" post office at this point.[17]
  • 1924 - obit describing community as "Ceres neighborhood".[18]
  • 1930-1931 - post office to be run out of Chehalis;[19] resignation of postmaster later in the year;[20]; reintegrating new Chehalis route to "Ceres neighborhood" and lack of postmaster in Ceres due to "the compensation is so small no one will take the position permanently";[21] official closure announcement of May 29, 1931.[22]

Ceres school -

  • 1900 - Ceres school mention with music appearance by students presumably from Green Hill School.[23]
  • 1917 - Ceres withdrawals from consolidated district.[24]
  • 1918 - school population is only 15.[25]
  • 1936 - new road allowing students to go to nearby Klaber, Washington; school closing before 1936-1937 year.[26]

Further, similar to Talk:Forest, Washington, there are hundreds of newspaper articles (local or regional) about daily life in Ceres, such as comings-and-goings, visitors, dances,[27] grange activities, farm production, deaths (drops dead, 1913)[28] (long-time resident of Ceres, 1962)[29] and an enormous amount on the Holstein cows. There's also plenty on the local hops farms[30] including the winning of some big award in New York City.[31] The heaviest concentration of these types of writings are in the 1920s with many describing the Ceres Improvement Club, which had their own hall.[32][33]

So, as I'll repeat at the deletion discussion talk page, Ceres was a community but no longer is and we should Keep the article but reclassify the page as a former community.

My thanks!

Shortiefourten (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

How did you write all that "coat hanger" stuff without realizing the place never existed? James.folsom (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Schwartz, Eric (March 21, 2008). "A Tour of Recovery". The Chronicle. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  2. ^ "The Sou'wester - Summer & Fall 2006". Pacific County Historical Society and Museum (Volume XLII, Numbers 2 & 3 ed.). 2006. p. 12.
  3. ^ "If Towns Could Talk - Meskill-Ceres". The Chronicle. March 30, 2002. p. A12. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  4. ^ "The Chehalis City Election Is Held Monday, December 6". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. December 3, 1920. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  5. ^ "Genuine Co-operation Need In This State". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. February 13, 1931. p. 6. Retrieved May 21, 2024. 2nd column
  6. ^ "Pioneer group members learn about steamer owner". The Chronicle (Centralia, Washington). May 8, 2004. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  7. ^ "No title". The Chehalis Bee. February 12, 1897. p. 11. Retrieved May 21, 2024. Third column, near middle
  8. ^ "Press Comment". The Chehalis Bee. December 3, 1897. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024. Bottom of far right column
  9. ^ "Busy Up West". The Chehalis Bee. March 18, 1898. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  10. ^ "Over The County". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. December 29, 1899. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  11. ^ "Their Last Session". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. January 11, 1901. p. 21. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  12. ^ "Lots Of Business". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. June 12, 1903. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  13. ^ "Store At Ceres". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. August 7, 1908. p. 19. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  14. ^ "Centralia". The Centralia Daily Chronicle. October 13, 1908. p. 3. Retrieved May 21, 2024. See 2nd column
  15. ^ "New Phone Line Granted By Board". The Centralia Daily Chronicle. January 6, 1911. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  16. ^ Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen - Monthly Bulletin. Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen. 1918. p. 22. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  17. ^ "Ceres Rural". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. January 25, 1924. p. 12. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  18. ^ "Deaths Reported This Week - I.N. Land". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. October 17, 1924. p. 37. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  19. ^ "Ceres Rural Route to Be Out of Chehalis P.O." The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. May 2, 1930. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  20. ^ "Will Hold Examination of Postmaster at Ceres". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. December 12, 1930. p. 21. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  21. ^ "To Extend Route 4 Into Ceres District". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. February 20, 1931. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  22. ^ "Town Talk". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. May 15, 1931. p. 11. Retrieved May 21, 2024. 2nd column
  23. ^ "Over The County". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. August 17, 1900. p. 8. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  24. ^ "Ceres Withdraws From 204". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. May 18, 1917. p. 2. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  25. ^ "Adna Fair List". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. May 31, 1918. p. 2. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  26. ^ "PWA Money For Bridge Received". The Centralia Daily Chronicle. March 23, 1936. p. 3. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  27. ^ "Ceres". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. January 7, 1910. p. 4. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  28. ^ "Aged Ceres Resident Drops Dead". The Centralia Daily Chronicle Examiner. March 11, 1913. p. 2. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  29. ^ "Death Takes Ceres Man". The Centralia Daily Chronicle. October 8, 1962. p. 10. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  30. ^ "Hop Picking Season Is Here". The Centralia Daily Chronicle Examiner. September 3, 1915. p. 6. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  31. ^ "Local Hops Win Prizes". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. December 5, 1912. p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  32. ^ "Ceres News". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. February 5, 1926. p. 3. Retrieved May 21, 2024.
  33. ^ "Ceres News". The Chehalis Bee-Nugget. June 19, 1925. p. 2. Retrieved May 21, 2024.

Shortiefourten (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

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