Talk:Abortion law

Denmark liberalizing its law

It appears that Denmark is liberalizing its abortion law in multiple ways, including one which would require this article to be edited: It seems that the limit for on-request abortions is about to or has already been moved from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, which would require both the table and the map to be edited to reflect this change. 2600:100A:B1C9:E654:51F0:B875:EFAC:CE3B (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the news. The government only announced an agreement with the political parties, but the parliament will still have to pass a law, and it is expected to enter into force on June 1, 2025.[1] The article and map should be changed only at that time. Heitordp (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It’s June 1 in Denmark now. Thank you for your work on this article. 2600:100A:B1E3:6D6:52C:BD85:C674:BEC (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

The law is expected to enter into force on June 1, 2025. That's a year from now. Heitordp (talk) 00:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I guess I just read it wrong because it feels weird they’d delay it for so long. 2600:100A:B1E2:4DC3:C0C0:EF25:DA8B:5D29 (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Abortion Jalisco

Abortion was decriminalised in Jalisco two weeks ago via federal court ruling. The local Congress shall modify the local Penal Code, but it does not establish any time frame. Nevertheless, the Congress was notified today and local representatives could be punished if they don't harmonise the law soon. The decision can't be appealed and until this is done, abortion ban can't be enforced anymore (like in Coahuila and Aguascalientes). And just like in Coahuila and Aguascalientes, the gestational limit is unclear (until full legalisation).

Here are some news in English about this (there aren't many sources in this language), and some others in Spanish from bigger media outlets:

https://www.vallartadaily.com/jalisco-advances-in-abortion-decriminalization-legal-victory-overturns-prohibition/ http://www.lawndalenews.com/2024/05/mexicos-jalisco-state-decriminalizes-abortion/ https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/jalisco-will-be-the-13th-mexican-state-to-decriminalize-abortion/

https://www.notisistema.com/noticias/llega-al-congreso-notificacion-judicial-para-despenalizar-aborto-en-jalisco/ https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2024/04/26/jalisco-estado-numero-13-mexico-despenalizar-aborto-orix/ https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/estados/2024/04/25/jalisco-despenaliza-el-aborto-tribunal-declara-inconstitucional-su-prohibicion-tras-amparo/ Aleqc (talk) 00:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Aleqc: Thanks for the news. I updated Jalisco in the article and map. But Aguascalientes is no longer unclear, its congress has already changed its penal code. Heitordp (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Make a suggestion

Hello, I want to congratulate the author of this article and those who edit it for doing such a good job on this very important topic. I would like to make a suggestion in addition to having a list of the year when the countries legalized abortion on demand. You can make one of the countries that they legalized it for social reasons, it would be very useful to have that information, thank you and sorry for my level of English. Mar9112 (talk) 14:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Chihuahua

A federal court has just issued a ruling that require the local health authorities of the state to offer voluntary abortion services up to 12.6 weeks of gestation to any woman or pregnant person in the state. The decision can't be appealed, and the abortion ban can't be enforced any more. The Congress needs to harmonise the penal and health laws before this legislature ends, or local representatives could be punished. Unlike other cases in Mexico, if the state's health services refuse to practice the procedure, there will be sanctions ranging from fines to dismissal (including the health authorities of the state).

Here are the sources in Spanish

https://animalpolitico.com/genero-y-diversidad/secretaria-salud-chihuahua-servicio-aborto

https://www.milenio.com/estados/tribunal-ordena-ssa-chihuahua-garantizar-acceso-aborto

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/ordena-tribunal-colegiado-que-se-brinden-servicios-de-aborto-seguro-en-chihuahua/

https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/politica/Tribunal-ordena-a-Secretaria-de-Salud-de-Chihuahua-que-brinde-servicios-de-aborto-seguro-20240527-0075.html

https://politica.expansion.mx/estados/2024/05/27/aborto-legal-en-chihuahua

https://aristeguinoticias.com/2705/mexico/tribunal-despenaliza-el-aborto-en-chihuahua-es-ley/ Aleqc (talk) 18:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Aleqc: Thanks for the news. The court ordered the Secretary of Health of Chihuahua to offer abortion on request in its public health services, but it didn't actually declare the abortion restrictions in the penal code invalid and didn't order the legislature to change it.[2] The Secretary of Health responded that this situation isn't new and that it's still unable to comply with this court ruling fully because of the legal contradiction.[3][4] In addition, this ruling doesn't affect private health services. So I suggest adding a note to the table, but I don't think that Chihuahua should be shown as allowing abortion on request yet.

In addition, it seems that the repeatedly cited "12.6 weeks" is supposed to mean "12 weeks and 6 days",[5] and that both are incorrect interpretations of "12th week", which seems to be what the court actually said.[6] The 12th week ends at 12 complete weeks, not more than that.

This situation is different from Coahuila, for example, where the court declared specific parts of the penal code invalid and ordered the legislature to change it. Although the legislature hasn't done so yet, it already added a note about the ruling under those parts of the penal code.[7] Heitordp (talk) 00:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I don't know if this can help, but here is Ninde MolRe (the lawyer and director of AbortistasMx, one of the colectivas that pushed for these injuctions). She says that everyone can go from today to a public hospital, but the authorities are searching for loopholes to still refuse the service. Colectivas will be escorting people these days to supply with evidence to the judges and proceed.

https://x.com/ce_miquiztetl/status/1795607277548032071

Related to the obligation of change the law, you are right, it won't be necessary (the first news suggested it would be, but now the news and AbortistasMx are sating this:

A pesar de que la sentencia no obliga al Congreso de Chihuahua a reformar el Código Penal, el juzgado federal reconoció que las autoridades estatales violan actualmente la Constitución al no garantizar el acceso a servicios de aborto voluntario en hospitales y clínicas públicas. La negativa, argumentó el tribunal, infringe el artículo cuarto constitucional, que garantiza el derecho a la libre decisión sobre el propio cuerpo.

https://www.elimparcial.com/mexico/2024/05/28/tribunal-federal-garantiza-servicios-de-aborto-en-chihuahua/

https://x.com/AbortistasMx/status/1795130919793078417 Aleqc (talk) 01:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)