Template:Did you know nominations/Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography
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Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography
- ... that a biography of Jerzy Kosinski was published five years after his death? Source: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-05-12-bk-3077-story.html
- ALT1: ... that one of the reviewers of Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography argued that the book is both neutral but also an "apologia" and "justification of the misdeeds of a brilliantly flawed friend" of the author? Source: see https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-05-12-bk-3077-story.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden and the Creation of Modern Tennis
- Comment: I am having trouble coming up with a hook. First one is boring, hope the second one is more interesting.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- Article is well sourced and neutral. It's new enough and long enough. QPQ looks to be underway at Template:Did you know nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden and the Creation of Modern Tennis. I agree that the hooks could be more interesting, and I think it's because it glosses over why this person is notable. (Both in the hook and in the article body.) Following the links the article about the man himself, there's probably a way to describe at least one aspect of what earned him coverage in reliable sources. Either his fiction, his personal life, or both. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, this still has a lot of potential. I wanted to check back in to see when you have time to work on this again. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Giving a ping to @Piotrus:. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, Sorry, my watchlist is not usable (too big), so I can see only pings. Do you have any suggestions for a more interesting hook? I am open to ideas, but as I said, I can't think of anything better, and I think the proposed hooks are "good enough" for DYK rules. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's ok, Piotrus. I think it's hard to come up with this because the article doesn't really summarize the contents of the book. The article summarizes several reviews of the book, but we don't have the context of what they're reviewing.
- Not to create too much more work, but would it be possible to get a short summary of the book in the contents section? It could be similar to the main Jerzy Kosinski article, plus even one sentence about the viewpoint/thesis of the author. If that's too much of a pain, plan B would be to scrape something from the review section. I can do my best to come up with something, but it would definitely be easier with more about the contents of the book. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, The problem is that the reviews do not, as far as I recall, provide any comprehensive information on the book's contents, which I assume is a biography of Kosinski, and the reviewers assume everyone will figure that out, I guess. They do not talk about chapter structure or such, just occasionally engage with some parts of his biography presented in the book the reviewer found interesting. And there is the issue of trying to make this article (and hook) be about the book and not about Kosinski's biography, which after all is a different article... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's okay. We can work without it. I think the hook would end up overlapping with aspects of the subject of the book, but let me see what I can come up with. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Piotrus How about this:
- ALT1a: ... that Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography described its subject as a "liar", and yet, one reviewer felt that the author's "studiously neutral position ends up sounding like an apologia for Kosinski".
- It leaves out a lot, but hopefully refines the original idea to invite more curiosity. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, Sure, it's likely more interesting that what I came up with. I've no problem "adopting" it so you can approve it :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds good to me. I approve ALT1a.
(I also don't mind if another editor wants to come by with further revisions.) Shooterwalker (talk) 02:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds good to me. I approve ALT1a.
- Shooterwalker, Sure, it's likely more interesting that what I came up with. I've no problem "adopting" it so you can approve it :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Piotrus How about this:
- That's okay. We can work without it. I think the hook would end up overlapping with aspects of the subject of the book, but let me see what I can come up with. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, The problem is that the reviews do not, as far as I recall, provide any comprehensive information on the book's contents, which I assume is a biography of Kosinski, and the reviewers assume everyone will figure that out, I guess. They do not talk about chapter structure or such, just occasionally engage with some parts of his biography presented in the book the reviewer found interesting. And there is the issue of trying to make this article (and hook) be about the book and not about Kosinski's biography, which after all is a different article... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
