Talk:Peaceful Revolution

Problems with timing and geograpy

There are two serious errors with this article: first, it states that Gorbachev came to power in 1953 instead of 1985; second, it suggests that East Germany and Hungary had a common border. I'm hesitant to correct these myself, as I'm not sure of the intention of the original author. Deregnaucourt (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Lack of references

Citations needed in this page - hardly anything is referenced! Have made a start, will come back and add more references when I get a moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gipple (talk • contribs) 09:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Both articles are about the exact same sequence of events, with a lot of overlap. Peaceful revolution (German) looks at the issue from a bit more grander point of view, whereas Monday demonstrations in East Germany focuses on the ground level events. In any case, they should be merged. 89.27.11.236 (talk) 22:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Disagree, this can easily stay separate with a bit more work, and until then, there's little to be lost by keeping them. Ingolfson (talk) 11:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Disagree, the events in Leipzig are, as a focal point of the broader movement, important enough to warrant a separate article. User:Gerard De Beuckelaer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.179.81.93 (talk) 12:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Oppose, per Ingolfson.  Cs32en Talk to me  14:58, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Strongly support, per 89.27.11.236. Charles Essie (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Duplication

Why the hell is the introductory text duplicated? --168.103.229.195 (talk) 04:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Merger/renaming proposal

I came across the articles on Die Wende/Peaceful Revolution and found that these two subjects are quite hard to be kept apart. Therefore, I propose not only to merge Die Wende into Peaceful Revolution, but also to create a general overview similar to what has been done at the German Wikipedia at de:Wende und friedliche Revolution in der DDR. I find it strange that the article "Peaceful Revolution" has a subsection of the same name. If the Peaceful Revolution was only part of the events that took place during 1989/90 (as is alluded currently at Die Wende), it should become sort of a second-level article. The first level article (regardless of what name is chosen) could have (at least) the following external subpages, with "Die Wende" being a possible title (or otherwise simply a redirect).

• Overview article (not sure about the title)
  • Background
  • Peaceful Revolution
    • Monday demonstrations in East Germany
    • Alexanderplatz demonstration
  • 9 November 1989
    • Fall of the Berlin Wall
    • Fall of the inner German border
  • Democratization process in East Germany
    • East German general election, 1990
  • German reunification
    • Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany
    • German–Polish Border Treaty (1990)

--FoxyOrange (talk) 11:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• I agree completely. Charles Essie (talk) 19:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• Reopening discussion, Die Wende and this article cover substantially the same topic and should be merged. Then perhaps it can be reorganised and strongly improved. BegbertBiggs (talk) 01:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

If they are merged which title should we use (Die Wende or Peaceful Revolution)?

• Die Wende─substantially more common in the ngram data for both English and German corpuses and has the added benefit of being less ambiguous; about half the links which come up for me on a Google search for "Peaceful Revolution" are unrelated. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 19:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Opposing Die Wende (meaning turnaround in German) as this is only a colloquial, unscientific term which is (espacially by victims) strongly critisiced for its impreciseness and its implication of a mechanistic downfall of the regime without any grassrout actions and which is only used so often because of its shortness and its impreciseness as you do not need to think too much in dept about the topic when you use that simple, unscientific term. Finally also important is that the term was coined by Egon Krenz, the last Head of State of the GDR dictatorship, who wanted to describe a turn-around in favor of the regime with the term, which would be the exact opposit of the achievements of the revolution. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 02:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

For Die Wende,   Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 05:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)