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What you are saying over there makes a lot of sense to me, and you are articulating it better than I could have. Since it started at WikiProject Baseball, but the topic is really larger in scope than that, what's the procedure for starting a request for input on defining some sort of policy regarding this? I know you noticed the topic I started at WT:SPORTS, so should I start a new, more formal request for discussion there? I've never attempted anything like this, so I'm looking for guidance from more experienced people. Thanks.Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fred Zepelin: I've never campaigned for a new guideline, though I may have boldly tweaked a few or started a talk discussion. Often, some are against guidelines being too prescriptive, and this would be a very niche area. This is not always followed, but WP:PROPOSAL says:

Most commonly, a new policy or guideline documents existing practices, rather than proposing a change to what experienced editors already choose to do.

You might just want to see if an agreement can be reached in baseball that you're satisfied with. Then you can boldly expand it to other projects incrementally, and iteratively discuss if objections come up. That might be more collaborative, and avoid people resisting simply because they feel its been shoved down their throat. That said, there is no single recipe for this. Good luck, and feel free to contact me any time. —Bagumba (talk) 03:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I do feel like keeping it just to baseball articles is a weird line to draw - like, the article where the other editor objected was the Japan Series, and he moved a discussion to the baseball talk page. I would've done it at Sports, where I started the other topic you replied to. I'll try reading some more policy pages to figure it out. Thanks for the help. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fred Zepelin: Sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen can spoil the stew too. But it can help to expand the audience sometimes. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 04:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

User creating the same article over and over again

Hi. This user has created Rangimarie Dougall-Mita multiple times since 2023, with the page either being deleted or moved to draft space (most recent one here). Each time they have created the article, it has been of the same quality: one line lead with an infobox and no sources. Talk page notices don't appear to be having any effect. Is there a way to stop a specific page from being created? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:SALTing the title is an option, but it's somewhat excessive if its just an issue with one account. There also a partial block, blocking an account from all edits on a page(s). Being that it's been a year since the last one, I'd say wait and assume they get the message this time. Let me know if that isnt the case. —Bagumba (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

New Max Arosev sock

That Eoek account is a new sock of Max Arosev. They made some minor edits, but their significant edits are the same as the ones added by the last sock, Xkpsy. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@JimKaatFan: It might help to expedite the SPI if you could add some smoking-gun diffs there, showing this editor is acting the same as past socks. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Will give it a shot. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Added some diffs. Can you look, offer criticism/advice? JimKaatFan (talk) 22:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@JimKaatFan: Looks like enough for someone not familiar with the editor to consider. Always good to have WP:DUCK to fall back on if CU turns up nothing. I'll leave the rest to the SPI regulars. —Bagumba (talk) 00:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

International and G-League awards in NBA player infoboxes

Hi Bagumba, has there been any sort of consensus or discussion regarding international and/or G-League awards in NBA player infoboxes? I searched keywords like "international" and "G-League" into the WT:NBA archives and was unable to find anything, and WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS is similarly silent on these matters. If they haven't been discussed before, I'll probably start new threads at WT:NBA at some point to workshop a consensus. Any other advice about this would be welcomed, thanks. Left guide (talk) 07:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide: Nothing specifically that I can recall. For intl, WT:BASKETBALL is the more appropriate venue. In all cases, I think people often assume (right or wrong) that what's notable for the NBA must be the case for other leagues too. I have my doubts about whatever the G League is doing recently for their "all-star game". —Bagumba (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Ironically, I had the same thoughts you did about int'l players who came to the NBA, but unfortunately as evidenced by WP:HOOPS#Articles, there's not even a player manual of style formulated by that project. I like the general idea of what's there at WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS to use as a reference point and build from that. Left guide (talk) 08:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide: I don't edit much with intl leagues, but my biggest peave is dumbing down (probably by one specific editor) to something like "French League champion" instead of using the actual league's name. For example, Boris Diaw, where LNB Pro A Best Young Player is also piped to "French League Rising Star". Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow, I had no idea that type of thing occurs, those look like WP:OR (particularly the "Rising Star" one) and in some ways reeks of Americentrism, in my opinion anyways. Probably an opportunity to chip away at systemic bias, even if only a little. That'd be like if Nowitzki's infobox said "USA League champion" with a pipe link to the 2011 NBA Finals. I admittedly don't know much about other international leagues other than they're all essentially "lower" than the NBA in terms of overall talent. Anyways, I think that's enough for now, thanks for the chat. Left guide (talk) 09:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)