Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Longevity

Marie Brémont and Wwew345t

After being merged into List of French supercentenarians, I noticed that this user has unilaterally removed the redirect which retained consensus for five years (and IMO was a good merge), then reverting a restoration of the redirect by Sam Sailor. A look at the user's contributions, at Special:Contributions/Wwew345t shows that they are new, with less than 100 edits, and have done the same thing on many other longevity redirects, reverting editors such as Technopat, Devonian Wombat, and DerbyCountyinNZ, and even having gotten blocked for edit-warring by Ponyo, although disruptive behavior continues since the block expires. Ponyo, perhaps an indef is in order. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Wwew345t's return to edit warring right after their block expired is, well, less than ideal, but it seems to have stopped now. Try to hammer out some sort of consensus on the redirects on the relevant talk pages if possible.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I havent reverted any pages that have had a afd but I would like to know how I can try to restore a page that did Wwew345t (talk) 18:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Their familiarity with Wiki terminology suggests they have had previous user profiles. Possibly a sockpuppet of a blocked user. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes I am experienced in being a editor in longevity (on a differnt site) I'm not. sock Though Wwew345t (talk) 13:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

there are some pages deleted in 2018 that can be expanded to look better with more sources and some new pages that could be added my intention only is to expand the topic of longevity here because there is a severe lack of info Wwew345t (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Longevity biographies are usually deleted because they fail WP:BIO1E, WP:NOPAGE and/or WP:ANYBIO. In the past such bios were padded with longevity fanfluff including WP:OR, WP:SYNTH and WP:TRIVIA. The deleted bios do not increase in notability over time, in fact quite the opposite. Removing a redirect to resurrect such an article without addressing the relevant guidelines is, at the least, not constructive. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 07:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

While in some cases it would make sense there should atleast be pages for every person who held the title "worlds oldest person" if that's not notable enough for a article then nothing in the topic is there are serval supercentenarians that get way more coverage then 80% of the athletes that have pages here I'm sure if you looked you would see that for yourself Wwew345t (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Take for instance misao okawa who was worlds oldest person for almost two years the oldest Japanese person ever at the time of her death and in the top ten oldest people ever if you looked her up youd see she got significant coverage about her by multiple news sources yet her article got deleted without so much as a consideration there are many more instances of this where a supercenarian article seems to have been dogpiled by 4 editors (who dont even edit in the topic anymore) without a glance with some of the basis being "just because your the oldest person alive it doesnt matter" "so what if they were it isnt notable" occasionally they would atleast attempt to give a reason that makes a little sense but more often then not it was just 4 users teaming up to get rid of articles in a topic and not caring otherwise Wwew345t (talk) 14:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

They were even called out for such behavior when it was happening by some administrators and I know you are probably going "why does he care? He is probably a sock of the grg" I dont like the grg wont delve into why but let's just say they havent been acting very mature lately on another platform but anyway I cant believe uts taken 5 years for anyone to adress what happned in this topic and that's sad Wwew345t (talk) 14:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

And now the user is doing the exact same thing. The amount of IDHT is astounding here. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 14:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

i fail to see this point as there was no consensus on the pages Wwew345t (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Worlds oldest living person

i think everyone who has had this title should at least have a page misao okawa had significant coverage from lots of news sources Wwew345t (talk) 21:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

First of all, writing in E. E. Cummings style is unhelpful for communication. Secondly, on what basis do you disagree with the outcome of that AfD? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Well most of your afds were based on "just because your old you arent notable" while that makes sense for serval articles misao okawa was the oldest living person for almost 2 years and got significant coverage by the media for it most of the other recent worlds oldest people titleholders have pages including mrs okawas two of mrs okaws immediate successors (Susannah myshatt jones and Jerlean talley) Wwew345t (talk) 14:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Just because someone kept breathing doesn't mean anyone cared. Where are the sources about Okawa that provide any meaningful coverage of her life? All we could find were things basically saying "she still has a pulse", and then when she died say "she had a pulse and now doesn't". If there's something more in-depth I'd be happy to see it, despite my signature I don't speak any meaningful amount of Japanese so I know I'm starting from behind. Give us some links. And I'm also a bit leery of calling then "title holders" and similar, for reasons someone laid here many years ago. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

"So what if she lived long who cares?" That's a terrible argument all you have to do is search her up and you'll see tons of corvgare of her death and recongization as worlds oldest person clearly people care about longevity otherwise it woudlnt be picked up by lots of news soruces just because you don't care doesnt mean no one else does 2603:7080:393C:DD00:FC0A:37CE:7105:C53F (talk) 17:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Didnt realize I got logged out but I look back at t he se adds and I see the same 4 people on them seems like you dogpiled on longevity arcitles with other editors and you've gotten called out on that serval times it seems when you were doing that Wwew345t (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

If you even bother to do a standard Google search youd see that there are more then 10 pages of news sources covering her the argument that "longevity does not equal notability" is a opinion at best and should not have even been considered as actual reason for deletion Wwew345t (talk) 17:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

So post a few of those links here, then we can assess them. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Here are a few for Misao:

1. BBC, 2. NPR, 3.Live Science (less well known, but rated Green by newsguard according to wikipedia), 4. The Guardian, 5. WSJ EytanMelech (talk) 23:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

exactly this page was just many of a well intentioned but extremely misguided "clean up" done a few years back but instead of cleaing the category up all it achieved was the almost complete annihilation of the topic via flooding the loga with AFDS in which the same 3 people rehashed the same argument again and again withought bothering to even look if what they are saying makes any sense I also notice that if someone comes up with a semi competent argument the afd falls flat on its face which kinda shows how pointless this "cleanup" (a better word would be completle massacre of the topic) misao okawa is more relevant then most articles he will ever be plain and simple Wwew345t (talk) 01:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

To prevent premature nuking by anyone I have established a draft article for her with 14 different RS to prove a point. It should remain in draftspace at least until other outgoing AfDs on supercentenarians such as Berg and Francis have been resolved. EytanMelech (talk) 01:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

There are tons of old and really flimsy argued afds that were done in 2018 btw Wwew345t (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I hope to help reform that mess Wwew345t (talk) 22:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

• Related discussion is ongoing at Talk:List of British supercentenarians. --Randykitty (talk) 08:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How old is too young?

What is the minimum age requirement for an article to be part of longevity? Roasted (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC)