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Invitation to a virtual editathon on Women in Music

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Articles for deletion

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel Vicéns. AllyD (talk) 06:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazz No Problem SwisterTwister talk 05:39, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alton Merrell Jr SwisterTwister talk 05:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stratus (US fusion jazz band) SwisterTwister talk 06:37, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nu jazz. AllyD (talk) 13:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginger Tunes SwisterTwister talk 02:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tórshavn Jazz Festival AllyD (talk) 08:35, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of jazz standards (2nd nomination) AllyD (talk) 19:39, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Bowie Blackstar: an avant garde jazz album??

Any views on this discussion would be useful. Semitransgenic _talk. 19:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Assistance requested on Ragtime article

An anonymous editor keeps doing massive edits to the Ragtime article, deleting a ton of referenced information about the genre's emergence from African American culture (which the editor calls "recurring racialist characterizations of artists and unsubstantiated opinion"). I've been reverting the edits but I'd like some editors with more knowledge than myself on the genre to join in on the talk page. Are any of this anonymous editor's edits correct? Or is he/she merely POV pushing? My opinion is the later but would like to hear other views.--SouthernNights (talk) 00:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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The Jazz Messengers

The page The Jazz Messengers could really use a quality and importance assessment as the group are a fairly high-profile Jazz combo and the page itself is quite substantial. Matrix142 (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done Rated C-class, high-importance. Eman235/talk 20:31, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Duke Ellington

Talk:Duke Ellington

Should this article include information about radio broadcaster China Valles being given a nickname by Duke Ellingtion? The content is that contained in this edit. — Diannaa (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this question misstates the issue. The real question is: Should this article contain content about Duke Ellington, from a radio broadcaster, China Valles, who knew him? The discussion can be reviewed here.X4n6 (talk) 05:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

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Jazz festival calendar

We could really do with a list of Jazz festivals but ordered by date so anybody can look at the current date and find what jazz festivals are taking place right now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:17, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

• Maybe build on the existing List of jazz festivals by adding dates and then propose its tabularisation? AllyD (talk) 11:37, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladan Mijatovic.AllyD (talk) 18:21, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Album terminology

A surprising number of times I've seen someone write "the latest CD" or "the band released three CDs". I don't think that's a good idea because many different formats currently exist: CD, SACD, all the digital formats like mp3, and now streaming. Better to use a broad or generic term: "album" or "recording".

Album has expanded in definition over the years. But it still seems to me the handiest term. "Recording" is accurate because it refers to any music that's been recorded, but the term is uncommon and, to me, a little stodgy. Any recorded music could be called a record. If I talk into my two-year-old voice recorder, which records to mp3 instead of microcassette, I'm making a record of my thoughts. If I create a song in GarageBand, I'm making a recording. By the way, the spell checker on my Mac suggests I use "micro cassette" or "micro-cassette".

I grew up listening to vinyl before it was called vinyl. In my house, and in my circle and world, we would say "album" or "record" to refer to a 33 1/3 disc. I think we called a 45 single a record, not an album, of course. Our only other commonly used medium was "tape", audio cassette, which in Wikipedia is called compact cassette, a term I doubt I ever heard until the past year when I saw it in Wikipedia. What we had were albums and tapes.

In daily life we didn't use the term "LP" much. We could tell by looking at a large 33 disc that it was longer playing than a single, or we knew it from brief experience. Long playing derives from the ability of a 33 1/3 disc to include more songs, more music, than a 78, which dominated before the 33. But because few of us had any experience with 78s, the term LP didn't mean much and didn't appear often in our vocabulary, though it did appear in stores and the press.
—Vmavanti (talk) 16:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

I still buy CDs and still usually call them albums. I rarely felt comfortable saying, "I bought their latest CD", though I'm sure I did many times, especially in the early years of the format. I believe I've heard "You can buy the album on iTunes".

"Album" is the standard term here, although I don't know exactly what the definition is. It's probably been discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums... (Remember to sign your posts with ~~~~) EddieHugh (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Broken links

• Down Beat Artists Page works but the artist links on the page don't.
• Encylopedia of Jazz Musicians broken
• Big Band database broken
• The Gramophone archive seems to be broken.
• Jazz Pages Jazz Birthdays broken
• St. Louis Jazz Calendar broken
• Smithsonian Jazz replacement link
• Jazz documentary "This video is private"
  —Vmavanti (talk) 17:36, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/33 Jazz Records. AllyD (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifton "Jiggs" Chase. AllyD (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Live at Birdland

See Talk:Live at Birdland (1962 John Coltrane album) for a request for sources on this album. I'll nominate it for deletion if nothing's heard. EddieHugh (talk) 21:42, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Origin

For a long time, I've wondered about the usefulness of the "origin" field in the infobox musical artist template. Few people get it right. When the field is used at all, it's often used for birthplace. It should be said in their defense that the field's purpose isn't obvious. After all, it does say "origin".

Most musicians get their professional start in big cities, usually New York City. So even if the field were used correctly, it would result in a lot of repetition and dull information. What about eliminating that field from the infobox musician template?
–Vmavanti (talk) 18:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

It's not very useful for individual musicians, in contrast (potentially) with bands. Try raising it at Template talk:Infobox musical artist. EddieHugh (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I forgot about bands. It does work for bands.
–Vmavanti (talk) 20:08, 21 December 2016 (UTC)