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What level of setlist detail is appropriate for a tour article?

Don't know whether I'm raising this in the right place. I'm wondering whether there has ever been a discussion to establish consensus about what level of detail is appropriate when listing setlists and songs performed in articles about concert tours. The specific article that has me pondering the issue is Springsteen and E Street Band 2023 Tour, and especially the paragraph listing every darn song performed on the tour. Bruce Springsteen is, perhaps, one of the more difficult artists for whom to address this sort of issue because for most of his career, he has (quite famously) varied the setlist considerably from night to night, making it hard to define a "definitive" setlist for a given tour. On the other hand, I tend to think a paragraph of the sort seen in the article I just linked is "unencyclopedic" and is more appropriate for a fan site whose readers revel in that sort of minutia. (I mean, look, I've been to 16 Springsteen shows over the years and I love it when he plays something obscure that I haven't previously heard live, but that doesn't mean I think it's encyclopedic to catalog all such instances.) The matter came up in the past on the talk page for Springsteen's 2009 Working on a Dream Tour, but there was never really any resolution. I'm just wondering if there is any sort of broader standard that has been applied. Thanks in advance. 1995hoo (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a standard that has been used for a few tour articles in particular, like these ones for example: Guts World Tour and Five Albums. One Night. The World Tour. For the sample set list at the beginning, they have a note on top before the listing that it is from a concert from said tour which is usually at the start of the tour, along with a note that it "may not represent all concerts for the tour". Any changes to the set list, is placed into a sub-section called "Notes", for that specific show, and is sourced. If it is not sourced, then it is promptly removed. I have had many IPs or editors object in the past to reverting "their edits" for the main set list when I explained that they needed to stick to the sources provided from the first used set list before the notes.

I did take a look at the 2023 tour article for Bruce Springsteen, and the paragraph for every other song performed is definitely unsourced, so they can be removed. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I may not get around to it until tonight, but I think I'm inclined to cite WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE, WP:NOTCATALOG, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:NOTDATABASE, all of which seem to cover the sort of long list about which I've expressed concern. 1995hoo (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll touch on one other thing, that the set list in the Bruce Springsteen 2023 tour article looks to be supported by Setlist.fm. Per WP:NOTRSMUSIC, it is not a reliable source as it is user-generated content. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know. The user who has been adding the lists of songs has, in the past, cited to Greasy Lake, a Springsteen fansite, to which several of us then objected because Greasy Lake expressly disclaims reliability. It seems self-evident that something that says it does not guarantee its own reliability cannot be deemed a reliable source! I'm going to leave the setlist there for now because I just deleted the other two paragraphs and I don't feel like making another large deletion so quickly, regardless of whether doing so may be justified. 1995hoo (talk) 19:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed Setlist.fm as a source, and changed it to reflect the tour's first show in Tampa. Some of the songs in the changes for the listing are unlinked, so I'll leave that for others to work on. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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