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Description

I believe this very unique culture, with a one-of-a-kind alphabet Tifinagh and history dating back as far as ancient Egypt, merits its own WikiProject. There is a beautiful portal at Portal:Berbers, and I think Wikipedia would benefit greatly from this.

Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)

1. Chris 18:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
2. FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 18:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
3. Funkynusayri
4. Skatewalk (Mainly Berbers in Iberia)
5. Taprobanus 19:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
6. Spectrum_X
7. Domsta333 —Preceding comment was added at 03:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
8. Æetlr Creejl 19:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
9. I.just.saw.a.face. (talk) 23:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
10. --ANONYMOUSPUSSY 09:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
11. Folantin Maybe.

Comments

There seems to be enough support to at least merit a task force. Perhaps someone might want to contact Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups and see if they would be interested in taking it on? John Carter 15:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I would agree with John Carter. Perhaps the Berber people is too small (no offense) to be that important... perhaps the task force idea is best. PwnerELITE (talk) 01:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I won't hold your lack of knowledge against you, perhaps you'd better stick to topics you are familiar with. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Another alternative is to try to read the article, for example ("no offense"). --ANONYMOUSPUSSY 09:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose: Should be a Task Force in WikiProject Ethnic Groups -- Absolon S. Kent (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Aside from spamming everyone's proposals with your inane oppose tags, what do you base your opposition on? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Chris. Do you have any idea if someone has contacted the Ethnic group WP? -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 10:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Fayssal-I do not know, I have not contacted them and am not in favor of contacting the Ethnic group WP, as I don't want to get buried in someone else's Project, the members above should do just fine in defining our scope. Plus I disdain those armchair editors who have been dismissive of this idea and want to sweep it into the Ethnic group WP. If you want to contact them, please do, but I favor an autonomous Project. I'm ready to make it fly. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 10:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Worth considering. Certainly more valuable and potentially longer-lived than WikiProject:Illyria. I believe the latest installment of the French Encyclopédie berbère is volume number 27 and it's only reached the letter 'K', so there should be plenty of information to add to Wikipedia if anyone wants to take this really seriously. Our Berber articles need a thorough overhaul, including the main Berber peoples article.--Folantin (talk) 10:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC) I suggest (as I did in the FR version of the portal) that you add : - Mago who was the greatest agronomist and vet in antic times. just put the link from Wikipedia. - The inventor of the Modern (Westerner) norms of music was Augustine (in "de musica") that you can download from the web. All the best Am'stan (amastan57@hotmail.com)

Reliable sources

Not sure there are that many books on the Berbers in English. The obvious one (which I have in my possession) is Michael Brett and Elizabeth Fentress The Berbers (Blackwell Peoples of Africa, 1996). Some of it can be accessed at Google books here [1]. I'd expect there to be more resources in French. On the other hand, information about the Numidians, for instance, will be dealt with in many Classical history works. I expect the most problematic area will be the contemporary period because that involves the most political controversy. We really need to find some sources which give us reliable information about the number of Berbers in various North African countries, for example. --Folantin (talk) 18:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

The numbers are known, and available on UN Stats. The problem is in English comprehension and flat distorsion, sponsored likely by illegitimate regimes - which renders keeping up by genuine persons or scholars, as a 2nd activity, semi-impossible. History and identity is the root cause of the wars and social unrest in the area. I would like to inform those with interest in the subject, that a wikipage, in the Amazigh Language created and maintained by Amazigh folks themselves, is available. Your pages are infested by arab-islamist ideologs and agents of various ILLEGITIMATE regimes of the area, established and maintained in power by the worst destructor and obscurantist regime in history, the French. Until today, the French Government forces French born children of north African descent, to study Arabic, identify as Arabs and even classify as Moslims.The UN commission on Indigenous Peoples, in collaboration with an NGO with scholars from the different countries of North Africa, has interesting research, publications and reports on the matter. The NGO is 'The World Amazigh Congress." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.204.81 (talk) 04:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Berber calendar

Hello, I just wanted to inform you that I have begun translating (here) in English the Italian version of Berber calendar, which is a Featured Article in it.wiki. When I finish I intend to replace the current English version of the article, which is currently quite smaller. For any comments/suggestions/help offers etc., please leave a message in my talk page: any feedback is welcome! Gengis Gat (talk) 20:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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Language rendering font for Tifinagh?

Is there something I can download so it doesn't show up just as boxes?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

See the Fonts section of the Berber page of the Linguistic Data Consortium's Language Resource Wiki. --Thnidu (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Chaouia vs Shawia

Chaouia returns millions of hits on Google, while Shawia (never seen it used until a user on here decided to rename the Chaoui topics) returns some 30,000 hits. Not sure why the name change, WP:Common Name would dictate that we use Chaouia. If no one objects I'll be making the change in the coming days.TonyStarks (talk) 07:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Berbers will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in within Berbers society. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Berber Latin alphabet needs some cleanup

See Where does the thumbnail table belong? on the Talk page. --Thnidu (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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