Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/December 21

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2011 notes edit

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Removed: Richard Nixon's meeting with Elvis Presley (was put in last year for the 40th anniversary; could conceivably make another appearance in 2021)
Swapped out: Challenger expedition (ineligible), The Royal Canadian Regiment and Royal Canadian Dragoons (both ineligible), Investigation into the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 (ineligible)
Swapped in: Fredonian Rebellion (first appearance), Emma Goldman (first appearance), Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) (5th appearance, last in 2009), Apollo 8 (3rd appearance, last in 2008)
Also moved to Ineligible: Rondane National Park, Crossword
Note: All five items are about the United States, but there are unfortunately no other eligible articles (and I went through 70+ pages of Google search results)

--howcheng {chat} 21:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

2012 notes edit

Latest comment: 11 years ago9 comments3 people in discussion

Omitted: Plymouth Colony; Fredonian Rebellion; Emma Goldman; Apollo 8
Included: Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers (2nd appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible); A Doll's House (first appearance); Pretoria Pit Disaster (first appearance); Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (first appearance)
Repeats: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total; 75th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 07:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

2012 phenomenon edit

Should we mention anything about the 2012 phenomenon or not? ;D - The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 22:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

No, it's TFA on December 20. —howcheng {chat} 05:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Summer solstice in the Southern Hemisphere edit

It is midsummer in the Southern Hemisphere so I would appreciate a mention of the summer solstice festivals here as well as the winter solstice festivals up north. It is very frustrating being wished a happy Yule in midsummer! HelenOnline (talk) 09:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I sympathize with your request, but there are a few issues here.

Summer solstice is tagged as needing expert attention.
Midsummer does not mention any countries in the Southern Hemisphere, and it's also tagged for reference cleanup.

If you can find me an appropriate article, I will be glad to stick it in. —howcheng {chat} 17:34, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

How about Wheel of the Year? HelenOnline (talk) 18:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Also Paganism in South Africa (which I created). HelenOnline (talk) 18:50, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Wheel of the Year is tagged as needing more references, so that's ineligible. Paganism in South Africa barely mentions the summer solstice and also is too localized to a single country to be listed as a general summer solstice article. Sorry. —howcheng {chat} 19:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your polite response, I understand. HelenOnline (talk) 09:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Yule is Dec. 25 edit

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Yule was placed on December 25 in the 10th century, and it has been celebrated in conjunction with Christmas since that time.[1] See

Merriam Webster, "Yule" ("the feast of the nativity of Jesus Christ : christmas") and "Christmas", ("a Christian feast on December 25").

Oxford, "Yule", ("archaic term for Christmas.")
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, "Yule", ("Christmas, or the Christmas season.") Kauffner (talk) 15:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

100th Anniversary edit

Latest comment: 10 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Please be sure to mention the modern crossword created on 21 December 1913. Thanks, 98.203.73.49 (talk) 00:14, 8 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, but that article is ineligible. Please see the rules. —howcheng {chat} 06:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

2013 notes edit

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers; Pretoria Pit Disaster; Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film); International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
Included: Plymouth Colony (6th appearance, last in 2011); Emma Goldman (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Nepal–Britain Treaty of 1923 (first appearance; 90th anniversary); Pan Am Flight 103 (5th appearance, last in 2007; blurb previously featured Pan Am Flight 103 bombing investigation, which is currently ineligible, and is making its 9th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible; 25th anniversary)
Repeats: A Doll's House (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

2014 notes edit

Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Plymouth Colony; A Doll's House; Emma Goldman; Pan Am Flight 103
Included: Fredonian Rebellion (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers/History of the cooperative movement (Society: 3rd appearance; History: first appearance; blurb last appeared in 2012); International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Popocatépetl (first appearance; 20th anniversary)
Repeats: Nepal–Britain Treaty of 1923 (2nd appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

2015 notes edit

Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Fredonian Rebellion; Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers/History of the cooperative movement; Nepal–Britain Treaty of 1923; Popocatépetl
Included: Plymouth Colony (7th appearance, last in 2013); A Doll's House (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Pretoria Pit disaster (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Pan Am Flight 103 (6th appearance, last in 2013)
Repeats: International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 50th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 16:28, 19 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

2016 notes edit

Latest comment: 7 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Omitted: Plymouth Colony; A Doll's House (ineligible—maintenance); Pretoria Pit disaster; International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; Pan Am Flight 103
Included: Pope Honorius II (first appearance); Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers (4th appearance, last in 2014); Emma Goldman (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Nepal–Britain Treaty of 1923 (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Bethlehem (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 22:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Howcheng. This entry is missing some bold syntax:

* [[1124]] – Lamberto Scannabecchi was elected Pope and took the name '''[[Pope Honorius II|{{nowrap|Honorius II}}]].

More importantly, this entry has two bold terms:

* [[1844]] – The '''[[Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers|Rochdale Pioneers]]''', usually considered the first successful [[cooperative|co-operative]] enterprise, opened their store in [[Rochdale]], England, and formed the basis for the modern '''[[History of the cooperative movement|co-operative movement]]'''.

I think it's highly unusual to have two bold terms for a single entry. This may be the reason daily-article-l didn't post for December 21, 2016. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:31, 21 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

I fixed the syntax, but it's not uncommon at all for multiple articles to be bold in OTD. Admittedly, this is the first occurrence in December, but November 1, November 5, November 14, and November 27 all had blurbs with multiple bold articles. —howcheng {chat} 08:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Huh, all right, fair enough. Thanks for the tweak!

I wonder if it was the syntax that tripped up the bot or if it was something else. When I re-ran the script just now, it worked fine.

Looking at older e-mails such as November 1, 2016, I'm a bit surprised nobody has ever complained (to me, anyway) that we only output one link per selected anniversaries entry even when there are multiple bold links. --MZMcBride (talk) 14:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

2017 notes edit

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

New articles (unused): Iris Cummings; Louis Washkansky
Omitted: Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers (blurb also previously featured History of the cooperative movement, which is now ineligible); Emma Goldman; Nepal–Britain Treaty of 1923; Bethlehem
Included: Fredonian Rebellion (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Antonov An-225 Mriya (first appearance); 2012 phenomenon (first appearance); Hugh, Margrave of Tuscany (first appearance); Thomas Wriothesley, 1st Earl of Southampton (first appearance); Jane Fonda (first appearance; 80th birthday)
Repeats: Pope Honorius II (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total; 80th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 17:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

2018 notes edit

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Pope Honorius II; Fredonian Rebellion; Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film); Antonov An-225 Mriya; 2012 phenomenon; Hugh, Margrave of Tuscany; Thomas Wriothesley, 1st Earl of Southampton; Jane Fonda (ineligible—maintenance)
Included: Plymouth Colony (8th appearance, last in 2015); HMS Challenger (1858)/Challenger expedition (ship: first appearance; expedition: 4th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Apollo 8 (4th appearance, last in 2011; 50th anniversary); Pan Am Flight 103 (7th appearance, last in 2015; 30th anniversary); Popocatépetl (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Maud Gonne (first appearance); Iris Cummings (first appearance); Louis Washkansky (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 16:41, 21 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

2019 notes edit

Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Jane Fonda
Omitted: Plymouth Colony; HMS Challenger (1858)/Challenger expedition; Apollo 8; Pan Am Flight 103; Popocatépetl; Maud Gonne; Iris Cummings; Louis Washkansky
Included: Pope Honorius II (3rd appearance, last in 2017); Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers (5th appearance, last in 2016); Emma Goldman (2nd appearance, last in 2016; 100th anniversary); Bloody Christmas (1963) (first appearance); Bethlehem (2nd appearance, last in 2016); Sun Sheng (Southern Tang) (first appearance); Joseph Carruthers (first appearance); Henry Reuterdahl (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 22:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

2020 notes edit

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Pretoria Pit disaster (maintenance); Louis Washkansky (maintenance)
Omitted: 1124 papal election/Pope Honorius II; Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers; Emma Goldman; Bloody Christmas (1963); Sun Sheng (Southern Tang); Joseph Carruthers; Henry Reuterdahl
Included: Plymouth Colony (9th appearance, last in 2018; 400th anniversary); HMS Challenger (1858) (2nd appearance, last in 2018; blurb also previously featured Challenger expedition, which is now ineligible); Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) (9th appearance, last in 2017); Grumman F-14 Tomcat (first appearance; 50th anniversary); Ali ibn Muhammad ibn al-Walid (first appearance); Maud Gonne (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Iris Cummings (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 100th birthday)
Repeats: Bethlehem (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 25th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 04:09, 23 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

2021 notes edit

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

New articles (unused): Hu Jintao
Omitted: Plymouth Colony; HMS Challenger (1858); Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film); Grumman F-14 Tomcat; Bethlehem; Ali ibn Muhammad ibn al-Walid; Maud Gonne; Iris Cummings
Included: Fredonian Rebellion (4th appearance, last in 2017); Rochdale Society of Equitable Pioneers (6th appearance, last in 2019); Nepal–Britain Treaty of 1923 (4th appearance, last in 2016); International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (4th appearance, last in 2015); Antonov An-225 Mriya (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Hugh, Margrave of Tuscany (2nd appearance, last in 2017); William H. Osborn (first appearance); Adele Goldstine (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 04:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

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