Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 3

Agenda for Manila 3?

Sky Harbor et al, as I mentioned in Seav's blog, Gus Vibal suggested we study how Tin Mandigma started Read or Die, which apparently is quite successful. Alternativity then suggested to also check-out New Worlds Alliance, which he is a member of. How about that for Manila 3? Perhaps we could invite key people from these orgs to give us an idea on how to start WMPH. Here are some particular things I want to ask them, top of my head:

• Do you really need a foundation to be successful?
• How many hours/week do you put in to handle something like RoD?
• How do you manage volunteers who you only meet once a month or so?
• How do you make all those tie-ups with companies like National, Powerbooks (but I guess this is quite natural for RoD... it would probably be educational institutions for WMPH...)?
• How do you get publicity from mainstream media?

--Nino Gonzales 02:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding this concern, I think that you should also take into consideration jojit's update. If we can confirm this, then there would be no need to set up a foundation per se under the previous assumption that we had, it would only be a question of how to complete the process of registering the organization. Then the rest of the topics you brought up would fall into place. --- Tito Pao 03:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

For Wikimedia Philippines, we need to have at least one community representative from the other Wikipedias and Wikimedia projects. Not all of them contribute to the English Wikipedia or go to the Tambayan. I don't want us creating decisions that affect them. --seav 05:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's recruit from the Tagalog Wikipedia. Some of us "en" people have accounts there right? --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I can represent the Cebuano Wikipedia. But let me get authorization from the community there.--Nino Gonzales 10:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

This time you lead I follow --Exec8 13:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Tin Mandigma commented on my blog entry and says she will glad to be of help. Who wants to be the temporary liaison between WMPH and RoD? I think either Alternativity or Nino Gonzales would do. --seav 07:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Formal letter for RoD

October 5, 2007

Ms. Kristine Mandigma
Read or Die Philippines

Dear Ms. Mandigma:

The Philippine Wikipedia community wishes to invite you as the special guest of the 3rd Wikipedia Philippines Meet-up, a small and informal gathering of Wikipedians in the Philippines.

We are currently in our initial stages of building the Wikipedia community organization here in the Philippines. In our previous meet-up, we had a discussion with Gus Vibal of WikiPilipinas. Upon hearing our plans, he recommended that we talk to you, to learn from your experiences in starting Read or Die.

All of us in the Philippine Wikipedia community have a lot of admiration for Read or Die. We would be honored if you would consent to be our guest in our next meet-up. We propose to have the meet-up at 2-4PM either on October 20, Saturday, or October 21, Sunday. Please tell us if neither are convenient for you, and we propose other schedules. The venue will be SM Megamall. Please inform us if you have a preferred restaurant. The meeting will simply be an informal discussion wherein we hope you could share your experiences in starting RoD.

Yours sincerely,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community

Confirm availability, gift

Perhaps we could do it this way: 1) Select a date. 2) Send an email invite to Tin Mandigma signed by the community.

So following the pattern of our previous meet-ups (~2PM on Sunday), please indicate your availability for October--Nino Gonzales 02:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Name	Oct 7, 2-4PM	Oct 12, 2-4PM	Oct 13, 2-4PM	Oct 13, 7-9PM	Oct 14, 2-4PM	Oct 20, 2-4PM	Oct 20, 7-9PM	Oct 21, 2-4PM	Oct 27, 2-4PM	Oct 27, 7-9PM	Oct 28, 2-4PM	Nov 3, 7-9PM
Nino Gonzales	50/50	OK			OK			OK			Not OK	Not OK
titopao	50/50	not OK	not OK	not OK	50/50	50/50	50/50	50/50	50/50	50/50	OK?	OK?
Jojit	50/50	OK	OK	OK	50/50	OK	OK	OK	OK	OK	Not OK	OK
Lenticel	OK	OK	OK	not OK	OK	OK	not OK	OK	OK	not ok	OK	not OK
seav	OK	not ok	not ok	not ok	OK	OK	OK	OK	OK	OK	OK	OK
Sky Harbor	not ok	OK	OK	not ok	OK	OK	not ok	OK	not ok	not ok	not ok	OK

Please tell me if you are ok with this. It gets my vote of course, but would appreciate if you help in editing it.--Nino Gonzales 02:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

On a side-note, did I actually sound like a jerk in my comment? It’s impossible to read her comment without noticing the sarcasm.--Nino Gonzales 02:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Am at work right now, so I'll try re-reading the draft letter and make suggestions on how to improve it (I love writing letters ;) With regard to her comments...I can't actually tell if there was some sarcasm on it. In the spirit of assuming good faith, I'd like to consider it as something like a self-deprecating joke or an inside joke known to widely-read persons...I mean, if it were me, you'd expect me to play around my being a call center agent =P --- Tito Pao 03:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we make our meeting on a Saturday night? Sunday is really a family day. November 3 would be fine for me. --Jojit fb 03:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The earlier the better. I am preparing for an entrance exam this Nov. (hopefully I'll pass). Sorry Jojit fb but I'm still for Sunday. --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

We've been meeting on Sundays which i hate... they're family days. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 08:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually okay with a Saturday meeting as long as I have advanced notice. That's because I'll need to look for a replacement organist for my Saturday anticipated masses =P --- Tito Pao 00:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll be busy weekends of October and November but I will try to sneek in at your agreed date and time. Maybe one to two hours of my time will do. --Exec8 20:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's try for a Saturday meet-up this time, as per User:Scorpion prinz's comment. --seav 06:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I changed the table to include Saturdays and October 12, a Friday and a holiday. --Jojit (talk) 01:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we should finalize the date. Everybody seems to be available on October 21 but if we have to consider Saturdays then we should make the meet-up on October 20 (2-4 pm). What do you think Nino and titopao? --Jojit (talk) 01:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm okay (so I hope) with the 20th as long as I have at least a week's notice. This is because I might need to absent excuse from my Saturday anticipated masses (so that I can look for a substitute organist =P --- Tito Pao 03:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Sat for me is difficult but not impossible. How about we do this: If no objections by tomorrow, I'll send the email asking Ms. Mandigma what option she prefers (20 or 21). Btw, do you think we should shell-out some cash to buy her a gift, perhaps a book? That's only proper, right, when inviting some guest? What do you think? --Nino Gonzales 11:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. --Jojit (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

SM Megamall wins. I just sent the invite, copying all the folks whose email addresses were distributed by Titopao. The version I sent is the one you see above as I sign this. --Nino Gonzales 11:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Arggh... I just realized I made a grammatical error... "Please tell us if neither are convenient for you, and we propose other schedules." Isn't it frustrating to realize that you actually can't edit sent emails? --Nino Gonzales 11:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I added myself in. Check the table. --Sky Harbor 13:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Man, I already sent the invitation to Tin Mandigma before your entry, asking her to choose between Oct 20 and 21. I hope she chooses 21, so that you will also be available...--Nino Gonzales 03:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Based on his entry, Sky Harbor is available on both afternoons of the 20th and 21st. --Jojit (talk) 04:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, what specific place in Megamall? I hope it would be in a less crowded place. Take note that SM Megamall will be having a mega sale from October 19 to 21. I suggest that we should meet at Starbucks at the 5th level where there is lesser people during a sale. --Jojit (talk) 04:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The Starbucks you have in mind is actually on the fourth level :) --- Tito Pao 07:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Oo nga 'no, I still have a hang-over of playing at Timezone in the basement yesterday and thought that Megamall has 6 floors (including the basement). ;-) --Jojit (talk) 07:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I will participate but I will need to wait for a final date and time --Exec8 00:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC).

I added some notes. I indicate "50/50" for some dates (especially the Saturdays) for the reasons I've mentioned earlier. In addition...I'm actually moving to another job, which is why I'm currently on the go every now and then =P --- Tito Pao 01:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

You guys OK with the idea of us chipping-in to buy our guest food and a gift? (please see below) --Nino Gonzales 03:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok yung patak-patak tayo. I'm ok with the food. The problem is the book gift. What are the chances that she or her organization already have that book or better yet would our gift suit her taste? I'm not good in thinking up gifts so this is up to you--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

shouldn't really matter if they have it :) It's the thought that counts, as they say... i'm sure her perception of our gratitude wouldn't be less if we give something she already has... but let me check this filipiniana bookstore near my place... i might find some first edition of some arcane filipino book which might appear more special and (more importantly) cheaper (hehe)... --Nino Gonzales 03:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Gift for our guest

Name	Book worth < 400 100/W x 6W = 600 200 for food 400 for gift	?
Nino Gonzales	OK	?
Jojit	OK	?
?	?	?

Venue

Let's try a point system :) 3 = most desired; 0 = no way.

Name	Megamall	A room in a school
Nino Gonzales	2	3
Lenticel	2	2
Titopao	2	2
seav	3	1
Jojit	3	3

Where in Megamall?

Name	Starbucks, 4th level	?
Nino Gonzales	OK, if there is no other option	?
Jojit	OK	?
seav	OK	?

Can anybody scout around for a less trafficked cafe in Megamall? I think there's one at the northern end of Cyberzone (4F Mega B), and I recall another cafe across Cinderella (?) near the sporting apparel stores (UGF Mega A). I think any Starbucks is too popular for our own good. --seav 05:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

We could also go with The Podium cafes since it's just a block away. --seav 05:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I also would prefer a less public place (I'm planning to record the meeting and post as ogg). If you guys like Starbucks, then the following cafes in The Podium would also be options: http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Asia/Philippines/City_of_Manila/Manila-1391614/Restaurants-Manila-The_Podium-BR-1.html There's probably a Starbucks there as well (what am I saying... there's Starbucks everyfrikinwhere!) --Nino Gonzales 03:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I vote for Podium. I think Megamall will be too crowded due to the sale. The Podium already has three cafes in front: Cafe Breton, Starbucks, and UCC Coffee Vienna Cafe. And if you really want Starbucks, there's a relatively empty Starbucks across the street from The Podium at the Anson's Building. --seav 13:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

According to this site, there is a Starbucks at The Podium. --Jojit (talk) 00:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

That's what I said. :) --seav 01:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Mahal daw pagkain sa podium sabi ng kapatid ko. Hindi pa ako nakakapunta doon.--Lenticel ^(talk) 01:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Manila 3

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In case you have not been following the discussion above, please indicate your availability for Manila 3 here: Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 3. We are trying to get the head of Read or Die Philippines, a successful non-profit, to talk to us about her experiences in starting one. --Nino Gonzales 06:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Oct 2 Updates

No one seems to have violent reactions to the formal invitation, so I will send that out this Friday, Oct 5. Before that time, we have to agree on the date. So far, the only day everyone is available is on Oct 21. However, Saturdays are being proposed, as well as Oct 12, a Friday and a holiday (the end of Ramadan). Please indicate your preferred meet-up place as well. --Nino Gonzales 02:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Oct 9 Updates

Kristin Mandigma has accepted our invitation for Oct 21. The following needs to be decided upon:

• The exact location
• Gift for our guest

Please see the meet-up page --Nino Gonzales 03:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply from Kristine Mandigma

“ ---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Read or Die Date: Oct 8, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Philippine Wikipedia Community Meet-up To: nino gonzales

And I'm afraid I didn't read your letter very carefully -- the 21st is my option since I'll be in Bacolod attending a conference from October 19 to October 20 :) Hope that's okay with you.

Best, K. Mandigma

---

Forwarded message ----------

From: Read or Die Date: Oct 8, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Philippine Wikipedia Community Meet-up To: nino gonzales

Dear Mr. Gonzales,

Apologies for the late reply. I was away during the weekend. That being said, I am honored to be invited as your guest at the meet-up and I would love to come. Both date and venue are fine with me. I'm afraid I do not have any recommendations with regard to restaurants, so may I leave this matter to your discretion?

Thank you once again for the kind invitation. I hope that we will be of help to your organization.

Yours, Kristin Mandigma

”

Final Venue and Schedule

• Venue: Starbucks in The Podium, Ortigas, Pasig City
• Schedule: October 21, 2007, Sunday, 2-4PM

Podium or Megamall??

We have agreed when to meet but I am still confused where is the actual venue. --Exec8 13:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

No one seems to have violent reactions against having the meet-up in the slightly farther (from the MRT) but much quieter Starbucks in the Podium, so I'm telling Tin Mandigma that we are meeting there (it is less than 7 days!).--Nino Gonzales 14:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm okay with the Podium, also because (per Nino's email) there's a sale at the Megamall, it's definitely not the ideal place for a meet-up during that time. --- Tito Pao 17:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Requesting Translation for Manila 3 invites to other Wikipedias

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We plan to send invites to the following Wikipedias:

• Bikol Wikipedia (on Incubator)
• Cebuano Wikipedia
• Hiligaynon/Ilonggo Wikipedia (on Incubator)
• Ilokano Wikipedia
• Kinaray-a Wikipedia (on Incubator)
• Kapampangan Wikipedia
• Pangasinan Wikipedia
• Tagalog Wikipedia
• Waray-Waray Wikipedia
• Zamboangueño Wikipedia

Once the venue is finalized, requesting that you send the invite to Wikipedias you are active in. I'll take care of the Cebuano invite.--Nino Gonzales 04:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I can take care of the Tagalog Wikipedia. --Sky Harbor 11:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hiligaynon, Kinaray-a and Bikol speakers, wake up! :( --Filipinayzd @ Incubator —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.25.82 (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Invitation for other Philippine Wikipedias

Sample English Invitation

Our Fellow Wikipedians,

We invite you to the 3rd Manila Wikipedia Meet-up where we have as our guest Kristine Mandigma, the head of the very successful non-profit organization Read-or-Die. We are initiating the local Wikimedia Foundation with the hope of accelerating the growth of the quantity and quality of Philippine-related articles. Ms. Mandigma will be sharing her experience in starting Read-or-Die, which we hope will aid us in starting our local organization.

The meet-up will be on October 21, 2-4PM, in ??? SM Megamall. If you are interested to attend, please indicate your attendance in the Manila 3 talk page.

Sincerely,

The Philippine Community in the English Wikipedia

Discussion about the invite

Please feel free to edit. If by the 12th we are lacking translations in some languages, I'll send the English one to those.--Nino Gonzales 04:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Bikol Wikipedia (on Incubator)

Mga Kapwa Wikipedian,

Iniimbiran mi kamó sa Ikatolong Manila Wikipedia Meet-up. Bisita ta si Kristine Mandigma, an pamayó kan matriumpong non-profit organization na Read-or-Die. Pigpopònan mi an pagbilog nin lokal na sanga kan Wikimedia Foundation tangárig maparikás an bilang asin mapaoróg an kalidad kan mga artikulong dapít sa Filipinas. Maistorya si Ms. Mandigma kan saiyang eksperiyensya sa pagpoôn kan Read-or-Die na piglalaoman tang makakatábang sa pagpoôn kan satóng lokal na organisasyon.

An hirilíngan sa Oktubre 21, 2-4PM, sa ??? SM Megamall. Kun boot mong magatendir, paki kaag man tabì sa attendance sa Manila 3 talk page.

Minagalang,

An Philippine Community sa English Wikipedia

Cebuano Wikipedia

Mga Higala,

Gi-imbita kamo namo sa ika-3 nga Wikipedia Meet-up sa Manila. Ang atong special guest kay si Kristin Mandigma, ang dako-dako sa Read-or-Die, ng usa ka malamboon nga non-profit. Buot namo ng sugdan ang Wikimedia Philippines Foundation, aron matabangan ang paglambo sa mga kasulatan bahin sa atong nasod sa mga Wikipedia. Istoryaan ta ni Ms. Mandigma sa iyang kaagi sa pag sugod sa RoD.

Mahitabo ang Manila 3 meet-up sa Oct 21, 2-4PM, sa ??? SM Megamall. Kung buot nimong mo kuyog, palihug og pagsulat niini sa Manila 3 Talk Page.

Matinudanon,

Ang Philippine Community sa English Wikipedia

Tagalog Wikipedia

Mga ka-Wikipedia,

Iniimbita namin kayo na dumalo sa ika-3 Pagtitipong Pang-Wikipedia sa Maynila, kung saan dadalo si Kristine Mandigma, ang pinuno ng matagumpay na organisasyong hindi kumikinabang na Read-or-Die, bilang isang bisita. Pinagsisimulan na namin ang lokal na sangay ng Pundasyong Wikimedia na may asa sa pagbilis ng paglaki ng bilang at kalidad ng mga artikulong tungkol sa Pilipinas. Si Bb. Mandigma ay magbabahagi ng kanyang mga karanasan sa pagsimula ng Read-or-Die, na inaasahan naming makatutulong sa ating pagsimula ng ating lokal na organisasyon

Ang pagtitipon ay gaganapin sa ika-21 ng Oktubre, 2-4 n.h., sa ??? SM Megamall. Kung interesado kang dumalo, pakihiwatig ang iyong pagdalo sa pahinang usapan ng Manila 3.

Taos-pusong nanunulat,

Ang pamayanang Pilipino sa Wikipedia sa Ingles

Waray-Waray Wikipedia

Mga igkasi-Wikipedianhon,

Gin-iimbita kamo namon han ika-3 nga Kirigta hin Wikipedia (Wikipedia Meet-up) ha Manila nga diin an aton ispisyal nga bisita amo hi Kristine Mandigma, an namumuno han Read-or-Die, nga usa nga malinamposon nga non-profit nga organisasyon. Gintitikang namon an Wikimedia Philippines Foundation agod madagmitan an pagpadukwag han kadamo ngan kalidad han mga barasahon nga nahanunungod han Pilipinas. Igsasaro ha aton ni Ms. Mandigma an iya dinangatan han pagtikang han Read-or-Die, nga unta makabulig ha aton han pagtikang han aton lokal nga organisasyon.

Dida hiton Oktubre 21, 2-4 PM ha ??? SM Megamall iton kirigta. Kon interesado kamo tumambong, alayon hin pagpasabot hini dida han Manila 3 Talk Page.

Matinudanon,

An Pilipinhon nga Komunidad ha Iningles nga Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvzsf (talk • contribs) 03:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Active Wiki Users and Contributors

Here are the partial list of users. We could invite some of them in our meetings. --Exec8 01:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Guys, tulong naman. Isang linggo na lang kasi eh--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• Seav
• Titopao
• Nino Gonzales
• Sky Harbor
• Jojit fb
• Scorpion prinz
• Exec8
• Lenticel
• Alternativity
• Berserkerz Crit
• Jondel
• TheCoffee
• Bloodpack
• Howard the Duck invited. Do your share!--Lenticel ^(talk) 01:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
• Chris S.
• Joseph Solis in Australia
• Princereyn
• Adkranz
• Kgargar
• Shrumster
• Rizalninoynapoleon
• Eternal dragon
• NeGaTiVe ZeRo
• Fddfred
• Kurt Guirnela
• Pikdig
• Rebskii
• Noypi380
• SunKing
• pinay06

• Note: Pinay06 is currently out of the country (sorry I can't disclose her location per her request), but if needs must be I can invite her to participate. Thanks. --- Tito Pao 21:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Rodsan18
• BritandBeyonce
• Sandtiger
• Danngarcia
• Mithril Cloud
• Weekeejames
• Glenncando
• Emperork Invited. Do your share!--Lenticel ^(talk) 05:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
• Harlock jds

Tagalog

• Emir214
• Bluemask
• Mananaliksik
• Život
• Felipe Aira
• Squalluto
• Filipinayzd
• Tomas De Aquino
• Cloudhand
• Ataman

Cebuano - everyone here has been invited --Nino Gonzales 03:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Bentong Isles
  • Sorry I could not. :( --Bentong Isles 08:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Edgar S. Godin
• Jordz
• Harvzs
  • Regrettably, I won't be able to make it also. --Harvzsf 15:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Pangasinan

• Arikasikis
• Karis

Ilocano

• Saluyot
• Tarong

Waray-Waray

• Bornok 20
• Juan bahag

Kapampangan

• Val2397

Manila 3: Final date, time and venue

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Date: October 21, Sunday.
Time: 2:00pm - 4:00pm.
Venue: Starbucks in The Podium.

Latest email thread (forwarded to the folks who have provided their emails)

“ from Read or Die <xxx@gmail.com>

to nino gonzales <xxx@gmail.com> date Oct 16, 2007 1:54 PM subject Re: Philippine Wikipedia Community Meet-up mailed-by gmail.com

>On 10/15/07, nino gonzales <xxx@gmail.com> wrote: >That's excellent :-) So 21 it is.

>However, we have slight change in venue. There will be a sale in Megamall on the 21st, and we'll probably have a hard time in finding a place to sit down and talk. We are moving the venue to the Starbucks in The Podium, which is just a block away. We hope this OK with you.

Sure, it's no problem. I'm arriving from Bacolod early Sunday morning so I can definitely get to Ortigas with a lot of time to spare. My cell number is xxx. Thanks again for the invite and see you. :)

”

I am still confused where is the exact venue. Is it in Megamall or is it in The Podium? If it is in Megamall, where in Megamall? --Exec8 14:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Important issues

[moved from the Tambayan talk page]

...

• Second, I would like to finalize the roll call for the third Manila Wikipedia meetup. So far, six people are going tomorrow.

Roll call for Manila 3

The following people are going:

• Nino Gonzales
• Tito Pao
• Jojit
• Lenticel
• Seav
• Sky Harbor (yours truly)

Anyway, if you are going, list yourselves above so we can plan accordingly. Remember to make time if you are going: it's at 2:00 PM at Starbucks at the Podium. --Sky Harbor 04:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bad, bad news: I'm actually at work while I'm writing this, I hadn't expected that my schedule would have changed so briefly =( I'll try to catch up as much as I can. --- Tito Pao 00:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Hindi naman ako mukhang inaantok no. Slight lang. :) Galing kasi ako Laguna nun--Lenticel ^(talk) 12:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)