Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/PTG/state-of-matter

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Periodic Table Graphics

Themes
(the sciences)
WT:ELEM

Graphics
(the presentations)

Blocks
(BLOCK) (talk)

State of Matter
(SOM) (talk)

Micro-PT
(MICRO) (talk)

Metal-Nonmetal
(M-nonM) (talk)

Resources
(sets, more)

See also this parallel talk: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elements § Emergency edit: remove fontcoloring State-of-Matter

Current version (~2020)

- Set: "2020" (edit)
- Theme=categories
- Set-page=000000
- Set-tests=[[2020/tests]]
- Status=Live
- Descr=current live set
- dob=2020-11-30
- link1=[[{{Periodic table}}]]

Developing

- Set: "2021-som1" (edit)
- Theme=000000
- Set-page=000000
- Set-tests=[[2021-som1/tests]]
- Status=dev
- Descr=solve wl-blue contrast issue
- dob=2021-01-23

State of Matter theme edit

PTG/theme-state-of-matter

In this theme, as a science, there is discussion on SoM should be noted as "of the real world material" (like O₂, diamnd/graphite C), or plasma-phase (more physical) property. WT:ELEM.

Emergency edit: fontcolors into black (2021-01-23) edit

All fontcolors are set to be black. Contrast problems too bad. -DePiep (talk) 19:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Details (2021-01-23)

These two edits did it:

[1] ({{Element_color}})

[2] {{Periodic table legend/State of matter}}

Mainspace articles affected:

2020 edit

Color set edit

By font color

A solid → #000000
A liquid → #000000
A gas → #000000
A unknown phase → #000000

Wikilink blue

A wikilink → #0645ad
A wikilink visited → #0B0080 Note: wikilink, visited

Legend=empty by Emergency edit.

Contrast edit

v t e PTG: Contrast check for SoM font colors ("2020") (current live set) · Set definition: PTG/set/2020
sort	name	bg	font	ratio	conf w3c	lum [0–1]	Hue [0–360]	HSL Sat [0–1]	HSL Lum [0–1]	HSV Sat [0–1]	HSV Val [0–1]	RGB dec [0–255]	note

61	s-block	#ff9999	#000000	10.27	AAA	0.46	0	1	0.8	0.4	1	255-153-153	AlkMetal
61	s-block	#ff9999	#cb0000	2.9	none								H, He
61	s-block	#ff9999	#646464	2.89	none								Unk
61	s-block	#ff9999	#0645ad	4.17	none								wl

62	p-block	#fdff8c	#000000	19.86	AAA	0.94	61	1	0.775	0.451	1	253-255-140	solid
62	p-block	#fdff8c	#007000	5.99	AA								Br
62	p-block	#fdff8c	#cb0000	5.61	AA								N, O, F etc.
62	p-block	#fdff8c	#646464	5.6	AA								Unk
62	p-block	#fdff8c	#0645ad	8.06	AAA								wl

63	d-block	#99ccff	#000000	12.44	AAA	0.57	210	1	0.8	0.4	1	153-204-255	solid
63	d-block	#99ccff	#007000	3.75	none								Hg
63	d-block	#99ccff	#646464	3.5	none								Unk
63	d-block	#99ccff	#0645ad	5.05	AA								wl

64	f-block	#9bff99	#000000	17.16	AAA	0.81	118.8	1	0.8	0.4	1	155-255-153	solid
64	f-block	#9bff99	#646464	4.83	AA								Unk
64	f-block	#9bff99	#0645ad	6.97	AA								wl

65	g-block	#fd99ff	#646464	3.15	none	0.51	298.8	1	0.8	0.4	1	253-153-255	UNK all in g-block
65	g-block	#fd99ff	#0645ad	4.54	AA								wl

Combinations not present edit

v t e PTG: Contrast check for SoM font colors ("2020") (current live set) · Set definition: PTG/set/2020
sort	name	bg	font	ratio	conf w3c	lum [0–1]	Hue [0–360]	HSL Sat [0–1]	HSL Lum [0–1]	HSV Sat [0–1]	HSV Val [0–1]	RGB dec [0–255]	note

61	s-block	#ff9999	#007000	3.1	none								----

63	d-block	#99ccff	#cb0000	3.51	none								----

64	f-block	#9bff99	#007000	5.17	AA								----
64	f-block	#9bff99	#cb0000	4.85	AA								----

65	g-block	#fd99ff	#000000	11.18	AAA								----
65	g-block	#fd99ff	#007000	3.37	none								----
65	g-block	#fd99ff	#cb0000	3.16	none								----

Blind PT edit


v t e Periodic table (WP:PTG, set="2020")
	☐	☐	☐					☐	☐	☐	☐	☐	☐	☐	☐	☐	☐
◯	氫																氦
◯	鋰	鈹										硼	碳	氮	氧	氟	氖
◯	鈉	鎂										鋁	矽	磷	硫	氯	氬
◯	鉀	鈣					鈧	鈦	釩	銅	鋅	鎵	鍺	砷	硒	溴	氪
◯	銣	鍶					釔	鋯	鈮	銀	鎘	銦	錫	銻	碲	碘	氙
◯	銫	鋇	鑭	鈰	鐠	鐿	鎦	鉿	鉭	金	汞	鉈	鉛	鉍	釙	砈	氡
◯	鍅	鐳	錒	釷	鏷	鍩	鐒	鑪	𨧀	錀	鎶	鉨	鈇	鏌	鉝	鿬	鿫 "xxxline-height:1em;"

2021-som1 edit

(lol name/id: has nothing to do with SoM because we don't want to go back to (SoM)-fontcolors). -DePiep (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Topic 'block bg colors' move to Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/PTG/blocks#Block-wl color contrast. -DePiep (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SOM-icons edit

April 5, 2021

Group	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18
	Hydrogen & alkali metals	Alkaline earth metals													Pnictogens	Chalcogens	Halogens	Noble gases
Period ①	hydrogenH1																	heliumHe2
②	lithiumLi3	berylliumBe4											boronB5	carbonC6	nitrogenN7	oxygenO8	fluorineF9	neonNe10
③	sodiumNa11	magnesiumMg12											aluminiumAl13	siliconSi14	phosphorusP15	sulfurS16	chlorineCl17	argonAr18
④	potassiumK19	calciumCa20	scandiumSc21	titaniumTi22	vanadiumV23	chromiumCr24	manganeseMn25	ironFe26	cobaltCo27	nickelNi28	copperCu29	zincZn30	galliumGa31	germaniumGe32	arsenicAs33	seleniumSe34	bromineBr35	kryptonKr36
⑤	rubidiumRb37	strontiumSr38	yttriumY39	zirconiumZr40	niobiumNb41	molybdenumMo42	technetiumTc43	rutheniumRu44	rhodiumRh45	palladiumPd46	silverAg47	cadmiumCd48	indiumIn49	tinSn50	antimonySb51	telluriumTe52	iodineI53	xenonXe54
⑥	caesiumCs55	bariumBa56	lutetiumLu71	hafniumHf72	tantalumTa73	tungstenW74	rheniumRe75	osmiumOs76	iridiumIr77	platinumPt78	goldAu79	mercuryHg80	thalliumTl81	leadPb82	bismuthBi83	poloniumPo84	astatineAt85	radonRn86
⑦	franciumFr87	radiumRa88	lawrenciumLr103	rutherfordiumRf104	dubniumDb105	seaborgiumSg106	bohriumBh107	hassiumHs108	meitneriumMt109	darmstadtiumDs110	roentgeniumRg111	coperniciumCn112	nihoniumNh113	fleroviumFl114	moscoviumMc115	livermoriumLv116	tennessineTs117	oganessonOg118

			lanthanumLa57	ceriumCe58	praseodymiumPr59	neodymiumNd60	promethiumPm61	samariumSm62	europiumEu63	gadoliniumGd64	terbiumTb65	dysprosiumDy66	holmiumHo67	erbiumEr68	thuliumTm69	ytterbiumYb70
			actiniumAc89	thoriumTh90	protactiniumPa91	uraniumU92	neptuniumNp93	plutoniumPu94	americiumAm95	curiumCm96	berkeliumBk97	californiumCf98	einsteiniumEs99	fermiumFm100	mendeleviumMd101	nobeliumNo102

Legend: State of matter
	Gas
	Liquid
	Solid

	Phase unknown

Icons & templates edit

DePiep (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

{{Element cell-named/som-image}} -- cell

Icons background edit

Icon images development edit

These sets of icons are mentioned:

LP03, 2021-01-18 [3]

Solid: A black cube, like

Liquid: A black teardrop, like

Gas: A black cloud, like

Unknown phase: A black question mark, like

YBG, 2021-01-25 [4]

- a cloud for gasses

- a drop for liquids

- a cube for solids

DePiep, 2021-01-27

DePiep (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DePiep, Unicode characters
U+1F4A7 💧 DROPLET
U+1F322 🌢 BLACK DROPLET
U+286A ⡪ BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-2467

Responses & commentary

Worth thinking about: Plasma (physics) phase? -DePiep (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. -DePiep (talk) 22:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plasma is not needed in a PT context, though if there were any chance the icon set would be used in contexts broader that the PT, it would be a plus to have a coherent set of four. But not sufficiently a plus that it should derail progress.

Any of these would work for me. DePiep's has the interesting characteristic that when presented as shown above they look like a candle with a flame and smoke. YBG (talk) 07:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, won't create a plasm one then (Double sharp also note this at WT:ELEM). Will work on a PT-implementation. As I mentioned before, for recognisability when font-size small, I prefer the simple 2D ones. And yes, a candle :-) BTW, I think the gas-dots are not randomly enough, can't help thinking about domino tiles ;-) -DePiep (talk) 12:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think there might be some benefit to having 3-D effects visible at larger sizes provided they automagically disappear into invisibility at smaller sizes.

As to making the dots more random, consider these possibilities (1) remove the 2nd-from-bottom dot on the left; (2) make some of the dots a different size or different shape.

YBG (talk) 06:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

re "3D when in larger sizes" -- in which situation would this help? 2D-to-3D (icon-to-image!) does not make its legend superfluous (iow image still needs clarification). And when these are in here, there are about 5–9 data facts per cell. So imo no need for extra details. We surely should see a full PT mockup first (also, because I think that supports my points ;-) ). Working on this. -DePiep (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, my favourite is LP03's, but I'd be fine with any. Double sharp (talk) 08:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Se my reply to YBG above. -DePiep (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First demo in PT: {{Periodic table/som-image}}. -DePiep (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The more I think about it - and now especially that I've seen your example - the more I think that the 3D effect is helpful. These black rectangles look to me like so many scraps of carbon paper. YBG (talk) 06:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

+1 Double sharp (talk) 07:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

−1 We have to show 118 statuses, and showing a pattern with it. So better use icons/symbols, not images.

As with background colors, to do so icons or symbols can do this; a picture does not help at all. The profit is: once you know the mental-easy meaning of a well-chosen symbol, only once, one cannot unknow it and one will recognise it easily by looking not by 'interpreting'. Best illustration for this: A-B-C-... Would you be helpd reading a book or paper when the alphabet was 3D? Images? Above this, the cell has much more info (esp. text and numbers), which makes it hartder to distinguish details (like, giving meaning to serif/non-serif font distinction). All in all, the question here is presenting information, not eh documenting it. -DePiep (talk) 18:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Issues edit

Information edit

Now the result for Fl (predicted liquid) seems to be formally published: [5]. So if one wanted, one could definitely write a cited predicted state for the transactinoids too: all solid, except Cn and Fl liquids. (It may be useful in some cases even if we eventually decide not to do it for the main PT.) Double sharp (talk) 09:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]