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What is the best way to handle this bit of information?

I really feel like the Mojang page should mention the fact that there was another Mojang Specifications co-founded by Markus Persson that existed under that name until around the time the current one was founded. I'd do it myself, but I don't really know what would be the most acceptable way of referencing it, and I'm having trouble finding citations for one of the reasons I think it needs to be mentioned somewhere. For whatever reason, information about that company seems to be very hard to find. It doesn't have its own Wikipedia page (and it still exists, currently under the name Code Club AB), and I actually thought it was the current Mojang until I started trying to figure out why the Mojang page gave a founded date that was several years after I first saw the Mojang Specifications logo in Wurm Online. Optimally, I feel like Code Club AB needs its own page, and Mojang have some sort of "if you mean the other Mojang Specifications co-founded by Markus Persson" redirect, but I'm worried that Code Club AB may not be notable enough for that. For the sake of cataloging knowledge, however, I at least feel it's important to have some passing mention on the current Mojang's page, which grew out of the first one. Jokubas (talk) 08:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Jokubas, and welcome to the Teahouse. It does sound like the best solution in terms of educating readers would be for a Hatnote to be placed at the top of the Mojang article mentioning, and linking to the article about, the former Mojang now called Code Club AB. You're right, however, that it's crucial to evaluate Code Club AV's notability. I recommend hunting for sources to establish the notability of Code Club AV (remember that you can use sources referring to either its current or its previous name) in hopes of finding enough of them. Don't forget to check Google News and Google Books.

If it turns out that, as you feared, Code Club AV does not meet Wikipedia's notability standard, there is possibly enough information in reliable sources to support the inclusion of a section within the Mojang article that covers the existence of a separate entity that formerly used the same name but now uses another. Since readers would be likely to be confused between the two Mojangs otherwise, that seems like it would be the best solution if Code Club AV is not notable enough for a standalone article. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 11:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Changing image name

How can the name of the images uploaded in Wikipedia and commons be changed?The Avengers (talk) 11:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, The Avengers, and welcome back to the Teahouse. I've never needed to change filenames on images uploaded to either Wikipedia or Commons, but I know it can be done. Since doing so would break links on any articles (or off-site pages) currently linking to the image, though, such changes should be made cautiously and only when necessary, and any broken links within Wikimedia sites repaired after the rename. Why do you want to change the name(s) of the file(s) in question? —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 11:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

If it can be done, then how? Every image page lists the pages where it is used. I didn't say i am going to change image names right now.The Avengers (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@The Avengers and GrammarFascist: A file move actually leaves a redirect behind so file uses and links still work. Files can only be moved by administrators and file movers. Others can request it. See Wikipedia:File mover and {{Rename media}} for the English Wikipedia. See commons:Commons:File renaming and commons:Template:Rename for Commons. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Templates in en.wiki cannot be use in ms.wiki?

Why is it that certain templates in en.wiki cannot be use in ms.wiki? Thanks

Jcshua (talk) 02:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jcshua, welcome to the Teahouse. Each Wikipedia language is edited independently and has its own articles and templates. A language can never transclude templates from other languages. Sometimes the code of a template can be copied directly to a template in another language but often the code relies on other templates or features at the English Wikipedia. If you are interested in a particular template then we may be able to say more if you name it. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

It is also worth to note that, like articles, templates in other languages can be found in the "Languages" list in the sidebar. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 03:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter and Finnusertop, the template in mind is the "Infobox comic book title" intended to be used in mswiki Jcshua (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@Jcshua: Infoboxes at the English Wikipedia rely on many other templates and modules. It appears the Malay Wikipedia has versions of most of these but I don't know how similar they are. You could try copying the source of Template:Infobox comic book title to the Malay Wikipedia. Nearly everything worked in a preview test I made with the infobox from The Dark Knight Returns. Fixing problems may be difficult if you are not a template coder. When you edit or preview a page, the bottom of the window displays the used templates and modules at "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page (help)". A red link there means it is trying to transclude a page which doesn't exist. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks PrimeHunter, I am trying to edit the Malay wikipedia template (but keep on undoing it hahahaha). I think better leave it be. Anyway why is it that image file on en.wiki cannot be displayed on ms.wiki? For example https://ms.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Templat:Kotak_komik_BM&action=edit I noticed that when I put an image found on en.wiki it is not displayed...

@Jcshua: I don't know Malay. My test copied the English source of Template:Infobox comic book title to ms:Template:Infobox comic book title without making any changes. I didn't save it but I previewed it with the infobox in The Dark Knight Returns placed inside <noinclude>...</noinclude>. This is a method to test template code without saving it and without making a template loop. Wikipedia languages can only display an image if it's uploaded to Wikimedia Commons or the local language edition. There are copyright reasons for this. Commons only allows images which have a free license and may be displayed anywhere. Images in comic book articles are often copyrighted images from the comic. In some cases they can be uploaded to the English Wikipedia and displayed in specific articles if Wikipedia:Non-free content is satisfied. Image use rules can vary between Wikipedias. I don't know Malay rules but Wikipedia:Non-free content has a link to a Malay page under "Languages". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I did that too, but I am still far from editing a template in my language. Thanks for your time and explanation :D

I see a big mistake I can't change.

I see a mistake on the Guns N' Roses page made by Ringerfan23. The change was "Guns N' Roses are" from "Guns N' Roses is" The correct word is "is". It's the second word on the page. Can you fix? Missingbleeckerbob (talk) 07:02, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

This is hardly a "big mistake" - but a minor issue that has previously been discussed on the talk page - although this is now archived here.
The grammar rules on collective nouns (sports teams, musical groups etc.) are complex, Comparison of American and British English#Formal and notional agreement covers the UK v US differences, but as Guns N' Roses are an American band we have to consider whether the title is a plural - as in the Ramones The Stooges or the New York Jets, all of which use "are", or singular as in Metallica or Blondie which use "is". The consensus was that Guns N' Roses is a plural, so "are" is correct. - Arjayay (talk) 07:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Arjayay, I read the consensus outcome of the discussion you linked to as having established that, per American English usage — and GNR are after all an American band — the correct wording is "Guns N' Roses is". The article is also marked with the Use American English template. Perhaps there needs to be another talk page discussion, as I certainly don't want to get into an edit war, but I am fairly certain as an American-raised grammarian that "is" is correct in this instance. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 10:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

This grammar question has arisen on several articles, certain editors have been very adamant about their interpretation of the grammar rules being correct. As explained with the examples above - it depends whether Guns N' Roses are considered singular or plural. - Arjayay (talk) 13:04, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality and tone

I'm working on an article about a priest, and my latest challenges are that the tone is apparently not neutral and professional, and my references aren't broad enough. Anyone have any straight talk for me about exactly what passages and references don't cut it?ProWriterWV (talk) 12:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back, @ProWriterWV:. I got to "has an extensive background in mission development, and everything in his past has been a support or journey toward this endeavor" before the inappropriate tone flags started flying. you may wish to read WP:PEACOCK and WP:NPOV.

And if your professional writing background has been in marketing, you will probably have a hell of a time writing for Wikipedia as purposes are entirely oppositional and your professional ear is tuned to the wrong keys. (your article is in essence an application to open for Black Sabbath at Wimbley and we are looking for a chamber quartet to perform a private audience at Buckingham Palace.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Please help with the Page PepperTap

Incredible Help Online (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Dear hosts, I need to get the page online. PepperTap. The page has references; the subject is noted; things are fine. How can I improve it to avoid deletion? Please help. Thank youIncredible Help Online (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Note to all: here is the link to the page PepperTap. White Arabian mare (Neigh) 19:18, 21 October 2015 (UTC)White Arabian mare

The page has references, lots of them. But none of the half-dozen I looked at provided evidence, from a reliable, independent source, that the business is notable, in Wikipedia's sense (please click on that blue link, and read what you find there). If there are any such references, make sure that you include them; and delete all the worthless ones, so as to be sure that reviewers of the article notice the good ones. Maproom (talk) 21:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Incredible Help Online, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you had such an unpleasant experience with creating your first article. The speedy deletion nomination of the article PepperTap was clearly made in error — I checked more of the references than Maproom did, and, it would seem, more than TheLongTone, the editor who marked the article for deletion, checked as well — so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. I would advise against deleting references if they corroborate facts in the article, though it's not necessary to have (for example) four references for one fact; in such cases, choose whichever reference is most reliable and most independent of the company, and keep that one (or two).

It is possible that someone may still nominate the article for the usual deletion process, which would involve editors discussing whether the article belongs on Wikipedia, until a consensus was reached. Feel free to come back to the Teahouse for advice if that happens, or if you have any other questions about editing.

By the way, be sure to address the concern about your username that's mentioned on your talk page. Also, if you are being paid by PepperTap to write the Wikipedia article about that, you must disclose that information, preferably both on the article's talk page and on your user page. See WP:COI for further guidance.

(P.S. Thanks for the link to the article, and your work to improve it, White Arabian mare.) —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 21:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks all for the responses and help. I will make sure that my username is changed. I have already submitted a request for that. And no, I am not getting any payment for creating the page. I will look for and create others as well. I will work with that article and make sure the references are from the good sources. Incredible Help Online (talk) 03:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

And just for future reference, there is no "need" to get any article online. There is no deadline on Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 13:55, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I am totally confused. Is my CUNY Institute for State and Local Governance submission being re-reviewed?

I made changes yesterday based on the direction of Cullen328. Can someone please tell me the status? (Mjavajunky73 (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

If you mean Draft:Equality Indicators, you have not yet submitted the article for re-review. Click the blue button inside the big pink box at the top of the page, and follow the onscreen instructions, to re-submit... if you are sure you have addressed all the problems with the draft that were already pointed out to you. Otherwise you're just giving yourself false hope and wasting the reviewer's time. Theoretically you can re-submit a draft (after revisions) as many times as it takes you to get it right, but it's always best to get the article to conform as best you can to Wikipedia policies before submitting. Good luck with your draft, and feel free to come back to the Teahouse for any more specific guidance you may need. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 13:46, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

And in my quick review it appears that it will not pass. There are no third party reliable sources that have been included that specifically address the subject of the article, the indicators created by the CUNY organization. Merely an original research claim that similar issues are "in the news". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:55, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

No, I think the OP may be talking about Draft:CUNY's Institute for State and Local Governance, and that link will tell the OP that the draft was deleted because of a number of copyright violations. This was after warnings at User talk:Mjavajunky73#Your submission at Articles for creation: CUNY's Institute for State and Local Governance (October 20) and at User talk:Wikiisawesome#17:18:41, 21 October 2015 review of submission by Mjavajunky73 and at #My article was rejected because of copyright.... below. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Image (non-free fair use) for article pending review: redirect?

The image I uploaded (to include in a Wikipedia stub that is currently awaiting review) has been tagged for removal as an orphan file (Category:Orphaned non-free use Wikipedia files) under WP:CSD#F5 because it is not used in an article in the main space. As the article is pending in the draft namespace, is there a way for me to note this or redirect the article link in the rationale template?

ref (1) File:Camping-on-Commissioner-Island-Lake-George-August-1918-Clinton-G-Abbott-with-Warwick-Stevens-Carpenter-Jr-NY-Archives.jpg (2) Article: Draft:Clinton Gilbert Abbott (pending review)

Many thanks for your help, West32 (talk) 03:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, West32, welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer: no. Non-free files are only allowed in articles, not drafts, so updating the rationale to point to your draft won't help. Non-free files should only be updated when the draft is finished and has been moved to article space. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 04:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, West32. The copyright status of photos and their use on Wikipedia is very complicated, and though I know a bit, I am not an expert. I will make some observations and hope that other editors will contribute to the conversation. First of all, a publication date of prior to 1923 is the "magic date" when it comes to copyright. Nothing published before 1923 is subject to copyright. Your photo predates 1923, so that is a good sign. But was it published before 1923, in a book, newspaper or magazine? If so, the image should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, for use by anyone for any purpose.

If unpublished back then, then the copyright status is murky. When was it first published? Who was the photographer and when did that person die? Was the copyright formally registered, and was the copyright extended? Often, this information is unknown, in which case, we must assume that the image is protected by copyright.

Hello, Finnusertop, the image is derived from a photograph from the New York State Archives and has metadata indicating it was created to illustrate the work of the NY State Conservation Commission. The photographer is deceased, and the two individuals in the photo are deceased. In the documentation accompanying the image in its digital collection, the NYSA is using a standardized verbiage to assert no known copyright; it does not indicate when the photograph was accessioned. Would a pre-1923 accession date into state government repository imply the image is in the public domain? West32 (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

You have uploaded the image under a claim of fair use, but it is not being used in any main space article. However, we do not allow the use of non-free images in drafts or sandbox pages. The fair use image must be used in an actual article, or deleted forthwith. The detailed policy language can be found at the shortcut WP:NFCI.

A problem is that your fair use rationale claims that the image is "irreplaceable". I see a nice old photo of an Adirondacks mountain camp of about 100 years ago. How is this so unique? Certainly, there were many similar such photos published in books, magazines and newspapers before 1923, which are copyright free. This undermines your claim that this specific image is "irreplaceable" for use in an encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you both, Finnusertop and Cullen328, for clarification.

re file use in main space article: Finnusertop, I thought that this exception (quoted below) for pending articles at shortcut CAT:ORFU would apply. How should I have tagged the photo to indicate/request this consideration?

'Note that an image is considered, under WP:CSD#F5, to be orphaned if it is not used from a main space article (even if it is used in another namespace. "Reasonable exceptions may be made for images uploaded for an upcoming article." At the discretion of the admin processing the category, if a draft it actively in use and publication seems imminent, you may wish to set the timer to be further in the future rather than immediately deleting the image.'

re rationale claim of image of "irreplaceable": Cullen328, the image wasn't intended to illustrate an Adirondacks mountain camp from the early 1900s. Rather, it was to show specifically the article's subject (conservationist Clinton Abbott) while he was working for the New York State Conservation Commission.

If the article is accepted for publication, I'll re-upload the image, using another license category. On reflection, I don't think the non-free fair use category is appropriate for this use, as the photograph is probably in the public domain. It was created before 1923 and is now in the repository of the New York State Archives.

Thank you both again. West32 (talk) 15:03, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

West32, whether this is public domain or not hangs on the question whether its admission to a state government repository constitutes publishing, as you correctly stated. My hunch is that yes, it does, though I'm not an expert. See c:Commons:Publication. If it constitutes publishing, you don't have to worry about anything else because c:Template:PD-1923 applies. If it doesn't constitute publishing, and the image is not in the public domain, you might still be able to use the image as fair-use, which was your original intention. In that case, you need to consider if this is the only picture you have found of Clinton Abbott, and if so, you should consider cropping it, since you are really pursuing its use as a "portrait". Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 15:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Finnusertop, Okay, thanks again. I've removed the link to the image from the pending article; I'll do some more research on its copyright status as well. Cheers, West32 (talk) 16:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Specifically re updating an image re Chancel Mbemba and the legalities of using images from other sites

What is the easiest and safest ie legal way to use an image to put on a wikipedia page and how can i change ie update a current image/picture of a footballer Chancel Mbemba thats on his page? Cantoniou93 (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Cantoniou93, and welcome to the Teahouse. Most often, images found on other websites cannot be used on Wikipedia. (Some exceptions would include NASA images, because as works of the United States government they are copyright-free in the public domain; photographs taken in the 19th century, because their copyrights have expired and they are thus now also in the public domain; and images at flickr.com if and only if the photographer licensed that image with a Creative Commons license compatible with Wikipedia's rules about image attribution.) I could walk you through the steps of replacing one image with another, but another issue is that it's often better to discuss which image should be used in an article on that article's talk page, rather than just changing it unilaterally. So let's start by establishing whether the photo you want to use can even be used on Wikipedia. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

What exactly is wrong with the current picture, Cantoniou93? It looks fine to me. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 17:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

why is my article not being published

I published a researched aricle with links on 13 August 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Contra_Vision&action=submit) but have still had no response and it is still in draft despite many additions how do i get it seen/published pleaseJulie Campbell Jones (talk) 13:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The note at the top suggests that it is being left as a draft, rather than made into an article, so as to give its creator a chance to improve it to an acceptable state. It has various formatting errors, which could easily be fixed. But more worryingly, it lacks independent references to show that the subject is notable. Citations of the subject's own web site, of patent registrations, and of Wikipedia itself, do not qualify; this leaves only the uk.gov.uk page showing that it has won a Queen's Award to Industry. Even if that is acceptable, it will not be enough in itself. Maproom (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

It does not look like it was ever "submitted". i just placed a template on the page so that when you have addressed the issues above to establish that the subject meets the requirements for a stand alone article, you can click the "submit" button. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

An article on this topic exists at Contra Vision Ltd, but it needs some improvement. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Now at Contra Vision per the naming conventions for companies.--ukexpat (talk) 13:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

It's not correct to have both a draft and a "mainspace" version of one article at the same time, Julie Campbell Jones. It appears that you are working on the draft version, as I see new references added, albeit improperly. (If I have time I'll fix at least some of the references to give you an example to follow, but either way you should definitely read Referencing for beginners.) I will flag for deletion whichever copy of the article you want to abandon; it's up to you, though my advice to you is to keep the draft, as that won't be deleted for not meeting standards while you're still working on it except in the case of a serious breach of policy such as an attack page or plagiarism. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 16:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for all the comments I will read the articles suggested and thank you for all the advice 16:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Julie Campbell Jones, if – as appears likely – you have a personal or professional connection with Contra Vision, you have what we call a conflict of interest. You are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes on the talk-page, Talk:Contra Vision. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to say that you should note that our Terms of Use state that "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." An editor who contributes as part of his or her paid employment is required to disclose that fact. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Sign your edits

Hello! I am wondering if there is a template to request that users sign their edits. Is there one? If so, can you link it please? Thanks!! ᵗʰᵉʰºᵗʷʰᵉᵉˡˢᵍᵘʸ₉₉ (ᵗᵃˡᵏ!) 20:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Try {{Uw-tilde}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Semitic people page

i was wondering why do we have an Iranian people page and a Slavic people page and not a semitic people page where we show a mix of Jews Arabs and Assyrians?

may I make a Semitic people page? or help make one?ArabAmazigh12 (talk) 18:31, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, ArabAmazigh12. We do have an article, Semitic people. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

yes we do but our article talks about the languages not the actual people that's what I get like the total semtic population you know show pictures of them and an actual article of there relations and there technological and imperial achivements we have one for the slavs and Iranians people and the Indo-Aryan so I was wondering why not for the semitics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArabAmazigh12 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, ArabAmazigh12. The answer to questions about "Why do we not have an article on X?" is usually "because nobody has written it"; and sometimes "Because it is not a suitable subject for an article". But [[Semitic people}} is not just about the languages, but about the various ancient peoples, as far as is known about them. If you want to add information to that article, you are welcome to, as long as it is derived from reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

New page approval

Hi, Guys!

I have just created the new page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airy_(software)MargoRaynolds (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you please check it and let me know if it's good enough for not being deleted by the editors? MargoRaynolds (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, MargoRaynolds, and welcome to the Teahouse. I took a look at Airy (software) (protip: if you type, or copy and paste, [[Airy (software)]], it creates an intralink to the article) and the notability of that program, as Wikipedia defines notability, is shaky. You need to cite multiple sources that cover the Airy software in some depth, that are independent of the company that makes Airy, and that are reliable sources — that means blogs don't count. In fact, blogs are almost never appropriate to cite in a Wikipedia article, due to their being self-published. The Yahoo Tech review is the kind of thing you're looking for, but a single source is almost never sufficient to establish notability. So, as it currently exists, the article is at risk of being nominated for deletion. You should therefore find and add to the article the best sources you can find that will establish Airy's notability.

If it turns out that there are not currently any other sources that help establish the notability of Airy, but you think such sources will be published soon, you could have the page moved to Draft:Airy (software) where it would only be deleted for serious policy violations such as plagiarism. You would then have a grace period of several months to improve the draft to the point where it would pass the notability test (and comply with other Wikipedia policies). Good luck finding sources, and feel free to come back to the Teahouse whenever you have other questions. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 16:46, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

There's been a lot of pushing of this software here. Draft:Airy still exists; there was Airy Software and also User:GlennSpike/Airy (software).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Blacklist/blocked-link error in error?

Hi. Over the past several months whenever I try to make a simple edit, I have been blocked from saving for the following reason "Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist"; however the majority of my edits contained no external link whatsoever. Is this a known issue or do you know what I can do to get past this? Thank you.remando (talk) 20:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Remando, welcome to the Teahouse. Please name a page where it happens. Is it always the same page? If you try to add any templates (something in {{...}}) then also name those. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

You might want to check your computer for viruses or trojans. It was a while ago but I recall issues with people’s edits breaking pages on save because of misbehaved Javascript. It could be there is some malicious code on your machine which is trying to insert spam links into your edits, even as you hit “Save page” so you never see them, and the WP software is catching those.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 23:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

But there may be a simpler harmless cause: A page which hasn't been edited since something on it was blacklisted. We can examine it if you name the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I want find a person

I want to find a person whose name is fuchun Zhou at the Tumor Virology Program, Greehey Children’s Cancer Research Institute. I have read his paper <<A sequence-independent in vitro transposon-based strategy for efficient cloning of genomes of large DNA viruses as bacterial artificial chromosomes>>, which is important for me. Now I have done some experiments following his methods, but faces difficulties. I need help. Thank you 222.171.233.33 (talk) 02:39, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. The Teahouse is a place to get answers to questions about editing Wikipedia, so this is not the right place for this specific question. My personal suggestion is to try contacting the researcher through the website of the cancer institute you mentioned. Good luck. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:00, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

On The Arab disporia page

on the Arab Diaspora page it says there are 13 million outside the middle east Arabs but they don't mention the other people of Arab descent like the 15 million Syrians and 5 million Yemenis in Indonesia and the 22 million Lebanese excluding 4 million and the 7 million Arabs in France Of Algerian Moroccan Descent ....Basically why Arent we mentioning it also why are the numbers saying there are 1 million Lebanese in brazil if there are 12 million people of Lebanese descent I had a ref to it but someone seemed to removed itArabAmazigh12 (talk) 04:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, ArabAmazigh12. The Teahouse is for getting answers to questions about procedures for editing Wikipedia. What you are describing is a routine content dispute. First, find a high quality reliable source about the demographics of the Arab diaspora. The definition of "Arab" seems variable, and my hunch is that many Algerians and Moroccans would not be considered Arabs by reliable sources, or in their own self identification. But we need to reflect what the sources say. So, boldly edit to improve the article, citing reliable sources. If you are reverted, discuss the matter on the article's talk page, working toward building a consensus. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Page deleted, please help me!

Hi editors,

I created my first short article called Rhino Africa Safaris yesterday. It now says that the page has been deleted without me having the chance to dispute it or edit it. Please can someone help me?

I am just also trying to understand how it is different to the below page which could come across as "promotional" too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abercrombie_%26_Kent

How do you suggest I go about writing the content to encompass all that the company stand for.... example: travel, conservation and community upliftment?

How can I improve on this to avoid deletion?

I appreciate your advice and guidance so that this mistake will not be made in the future.

Thanks Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 07:25, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Rudyshire, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry that you had the unpleasant experience of having your first article submission deleted. I recommend you read Wikipedia:Your first article, and particularly that you consider Wikipedia's Golden Rule by asking yourself whether Rhino Africa Safaris has been written about in some depth by multiple reliable sources with no connection to the company. If it hasn't, then it simply isn't eligible for a Wikipedia article to be written about it yet. I can't view the now-deleted article to see what kind of wording was used, but you may also want to review the guidelines on what Wikipedia calls "puffery" or overly-promotional language. Finally, I highly recommend using the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process if you decide that Rhino Africa Safaris is notable and want to try to recreate an article about it. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 11:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi GrammarFascist,

Thank you for your prompt response. I am in the process of reviewing the content that was written and will submit it to the Wikipedia:Articles for creation section for review. This has been quite a challenge but with all the good advice received and the speedy responses from fellow wikipedians, it has made the process a bit easier. Thank you for your help, it is much appreciated.

Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Rudyshire:. Another thing to keep in mind is that there are nearly 5 million articles now and probably several million of them have never seriously been reviewed by experienced editors to see how well they comport to basic Wikipedia content policies like WP:GNG / WP:N / WP:OR / WP:NOTADVERT / WP:NPOV / WP:RS. And so taking a random article and stating "mine is just like that" is rarely convincing, because that comparator probably sucks. Each article is measured on how it and the content and sources therein measure up to the policy standards, not to other articles. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

And if you notice, the sample article you point to has in fact been flagged as being inappropriately advertorial. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:03, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

It's not entirely surprising that it read like an advertisement, as it was copied word-for-word from the company's various websites in 2009. Now blanked and listed at WP:CP. Thanks for drawing attention to that, Rudyshire! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I have noticed several of them on wikipedia and understand that it takes time to go through the various articles, especially if they have been created a number of years ago. When my first article is well published and I understand the rules in greater detail, then I hope to contribute to these articles to make it better. I appreciate the feedback and grateful that the support structure here is so amazing.

Rudy ShireRudyshire (talk) 06:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Replacement for Template:Address

I'm working on CE of the page KMFY, and it appears that the author appeared to add Template:Address, which doesn't exist, for the address and contact info of the radio station. Should I just delete it, or is there a proper contact info template I should use? Astrosalad (talk) 06:31, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Astrosalad. Here is my best understanding of consensus, though opinions may vary: In general, encyclopedia articles should not include contact information in articles about companies and organizations. A street address should only be included if the address is a historic building or widely discussed. Wikipedia is not a business directory or a phone book. The group's website or official social media site can be mentioned once in an "External links" section, and in the optional infobox, if one is included. That's where readers should go for more detailed contact information. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Changing images on a wiki page.

Hi,

I am editing the 'Lisgoold GAA' page. I am having a wee bit trouble with the shorts and socks... They wear Blue shorts with Gold trim and Blue and Gold Hoops socks...

See...

Shorts -

_mfkzemplinmichalovce1516away _mfkzemplinmichalovce1516away This is pretty much what they look like

Socks -

_hoops_gold _hoops_gold I know this is white and gold but you get the idea...

How do you do this? I just have plain blue shorts and socks on the page..

Thanks

Regards

Moss 15:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mossdaniels (talk • contribs)

Hello, Mossdaniels, and welcome to the Teahouse. After reviewing the documentation at Template:Infobox GAA club, I believe the answers you're looking for can be found at Template:Football kit/pattern list. I know very little about the gaelic games, and I had never encountered the Football kit template before today — that's a neat trick, generating the uniform image rather than having to use a separate stored uniform image for every team — so I hope I have understood your question and its answer correctly. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 17:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Grammarfascist for that.

However I still am having trouble putting what is needed in. I change the code as approaite but still hasnt appeared!!!

Can you or anyone please assist me on this?

Thanks Moss 08:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mossdaniels (talk • contribs)

This is the code I have put in.

But still have plain blue shorts and socks...

Can anyone advice how to fix it? (Page is Lisgoold GAA)

Moss 09:17, 23 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mossdaniels (talk • contribs)

Who can edit?

I am going to be writing up an article within the next month or two, after getting my sources together. I was wondering who can edit what I write? I am concerned about those who won't edit for positive reasons. Do I report them if this happens? Are there a set of people on Wikipedia who are on patrol? Do edits need to be approved? I'm really just thinking ahead, so any links for me to read about this will prove beneficial. Thank you. Hrh1986 (talk) 01:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Hrh1986: as it says in the edit box of every edit " Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions." and no, you cannot prevent others from making changes. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Read the dispute resolution policy for guidance on how to deal with content disputes and with conduct disputes. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hrh1986, welcome. There is very little vandalism on the English version of Wikipedia. Unless your page is fringe or controversial it will not attract nutters. What is your topic? You can keep an eye on the article you create and you can easily revert any vandalism. If the article you launch is well read others will fix vandalism too. You can warn and report repeat vandals. You set the warnings yourself on the offending users Talk page. You can do it in plain language or you can use easy to set templates. You can also discuss problems on the article Talk page. Pages start out being wide open. Anybody can edit, even anonymous users, unless the page has been set up with restrictions (like semi-protected, fully protected, or pending-changes-review protected). Pending changes only protects the article from edits by very new or unregistered users. Even if a page is fully protected, edit requests may be made by anyone on the article's Talk page, and then an Administrator can approve or deny the edit. Once the article is launched its is wide open for community editing. Be careful of edit warring and the 3RR rule, and BRD. These concepts are explained on the links from the welcome-message on your Talk page that some kind editor has invariably sent you by now. I hope this helps. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Hrh1986. People have answered your general concerns, but not your specific questions. Anybody can edit what you write, and consensus among editors - not only you - will decide whether edits people make should be kept or not. There are people who are on patrol, but nobody has appointed them: they are people who have chosen to exercise that function. If you haven't already read Your first article, I commend it to you, and I suggest you use the articles for creation process, which will include a step whereby you submit your draft for review. --ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

new WP account

Greetings, I have coble of queries related to our new account WP.QACA; appreciate your assistance: 1- How can I retain our page. 2- How can I edit/ add more article 3- How can I make my page popular Kind Regards Dr. Hussam ElBakry (Wp.qaca (talk) 07:29, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wp.qaca. Perhaps you do not understand that this is a neutral encyclopedia, and that our articles need to summarize what reliable, independent sources have written about the topic. We need references to those sources. The article in question is Quantum AlBadi Chartered Accountant, which is unreferenced and highly promotional. Please read Your first article to understand the changes you need to make to this article, and how to write more acceptable articles in the future. Wikipedia does not care about the popularity of individual articles. It is true, though, that a well-written, comprehensive article will show up high on relevant internet search engine inquiries. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

And your user name was blocked because it was being used for promotional purposes. It would also have been blocked for using a company/business name and for being a shared account ("our new account"), both of which are not permitted.--ukexpat (talk) 13:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Spam link?? I entered a link to a textbook?

How do you respond to someone who wrote that you were entering spam links when you only entered something you considered educational (a link to a textbook, a blog post from a different site, a technical whitepaper). They were rather aggressive and rude in their message to me and even reverted some changes I made deleted dead links I found.Momilyruns (talk) 18:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Momilyruns. In your most recent edit, you added a link to the website selling a book. This adds no value to our readers and is considered a promotional, or "spam" edit. Blog posts are very rarely considered reliable sources, except for the tiny percentage that have professional editorial control, or are by a widely recognized expert. The reliability of "white papers" needs to be determined in context. Simply inserting them as external links is bad practice. Any hint of promotionalism in your editing will meet push back from other editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your info. I'm still a bit confused as I would find a link to a textbook providing more information on the subject valuable. But that being said, I can see your point on it being promotional. Momilyruns (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Momilyruns. If it is appropriate to reference a book, you should reference it by giving bibliographic information (for example by using the template {{cite book}} and filling in the parameters such as title, publisher, ISBN). You should only include a link if the text of the book has been published online, not to a sales site. --ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, ColinFine, I will do that from now on.Momilyruns (talk) 13:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

how to change the name of a page?

ok so I made a page for Hismaic Arabic but I forgot to say it was a dialect instead I just left it as Hismaic so I made another page how do I delete the other one that just says Hismaic???ArabAmazigh12 (talk) 07:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

ArabAmazigh12 you can place any of {{Db-g7}}, {{Db-author}}, {{Db-blanked}}, {{Db-self}} on the top of the page you want deleted (Hismaic) so long as none else has made extensive edits to it. You might also consider wp:redirecting the first page to the second, (Hismaic dialect).

• Note that the title of this section doesn't match the question you have asked. You could have WP:moved the original page to the new title, but I am not sure you have enough edits to do that yet? You need to be WP:Autoconfirmed. - 220 of ^Borg 08:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

293 edits and 4 months is plenty, so certainly should be autoconfirmed. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

So how do I become auto conformed?ArabAmazigh12 (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

You just need to have been registered for four days and to have made 10 edits, ArabAmazigh12, so you should in fact already be autoconfirmed. You can check at Special:Preferences. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Why Wiki remove updated french version and keep old english version

Hi there, I have notice that the french version of Parti unité nationale was removed from Wikipedia. Why ??????? The english version which contains false informations remains there. Why ???????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_Unit%C3%A9_Nationale

I have enclose the french version file (Parti unité nationale - Wikipedia.htm) which was removed without any reason.[Ticket#2015102210024691] Parti unité nationale If you put back the french version we would update the english version. If Wikipedia do not intend to put back the french version which contains real information for whatever reason, please remove the english version which is false.

Thank you in advance for your answer !

Gilles Noel Registraire Parti unité nationale

Here is the answer receive fro wikipedia Re: [Ticket#2015102210024691] Parti unité nationale Dear Parti UN,

Thank you for your e-mail. This appears to be a content matter and therefore beyond the scope of the volunteer response team. We do not have an editor-in-chief or an editorial board, so if you have suggestions for improving or correcting an article, please leave a message on the talk/discussion page of the relevant article.

If you need further help, please visit the Tea House and follow the instructions to leave a request for help there (click the "ask a question" link in the box at the top of the page):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:THQ

Thank you.

Yours sincerely, Robert Laculus

74.210.151.115 (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello 74.210, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is the English language Wikipedia, and thus will have an English-language version of the content. If you believe that the content is in error, you are certainly free to make edits with reliably-sourced citations that will correct the article, provided they are in English, of course. Also, as your signature suggests you are connected to the article subject, please be aware that there are guidelines involving editors working on subjects with which they are connected. If you have additional questions, please feel free to post them here and other editors will be able to respond to them. --McDoob AU93 18:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, please note that French Wikipedia is a completely different website, http://fr.wikipedia.org and it does NOT appear that they yet have an article on this topic. The French Language version of this article would likely be welcome there. If you are more comfortable working in French, feel free to contribute there as well. --Jayron 32 18:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The deletion debate on the French Wikipedia was here. The article used to be at fr:Parti unité nationale. Reason for deletion appears to be lack of notability. Even in 2003 the party received only 0.08% of the votes cast and didn't succeed in electing anyone. Here on the English Wikipedia we still have Parti Unité Nationale. The criteria for having an article are up to each Wikipedia, and might not be the same here. If you think new information should be added to the English article, you can give your recommendation at Talk:Parti Unité Nationale. EdJohnston (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I have nominated Parti Unité Nationale for deletion, on the grounds that it is not notable. If anyone has opinions on the matter, and particularly if anyone has reliable sources that might help in establishing notability, or has searched and been unable to find any such sources, the discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parti Unité Nationale, and your views would be welcome. DES ^(talk) 21:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I thought OTRS communications were confidential or does that only apply to OTRS volunteers and not to those e-mailing OTRS?--ukexpat (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

ukexpat I would think that OTRS volunteers are not supposed to reveal personal information (taken broadly) from an email. I have seen such volunteers post at article talk pages saying things like "An email complained that Statement XXX is untrue. Do we have good sources for it?" I don't see why the person writing to OTRS shouldn't post the email and response, which seems to be what was done above, and in any case we would have no way to prevent it. It is true that the OP connected his name and his IP address, but that was his choice, and in these days of dynamic IP addresses, It probably doesn't actually impact his privacy in a significant way. Aside from that I see no confidential info in the exchange. (Note, I am not an OTRS volunteer, and may have things mistaken.) DES ^(talk) 16:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I am an OTRS volunteer and before I post a request for an edit that came in by e-mail I always ask for the consent of the correspondent. In any event, not an issue, nothing else to see here.--ukexpat (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

deleted

I need to revise my deleted article how can I do that?Hengameh Nikmaram (talk) 12:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Hengameh Nikmaram:, and welcome to the tea house. I look for an article you might've edited which has been deleted and did not find one. Can you tell me more about this article?--S Philbrick (Talk) 13:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Hengameh Nikmaram: I now see what happened. You didn't actually create an article or have it deleted, you edited a wiki project page to add a first draft of an article. That wiki project is a place to discuss edits to templates not to start an article. However, I fully recognize this place can be very confusing, so it may have seemed like a good place to start an article.

There are a couple different places to work on a new article. One of them is a user space draft. I created one for you here:

User:Hengameh Nikmaram/Soosan Ghaemmagham

Please feel free to work on it there.

I see that you haven't been properly welcomed so I left a welcome template on your talk page. One of the links is "how to create your first article" which sounds very relevant. Welcome to Wikipedia and I hope the next steps go better.--S Philbrick (Talk) 16:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

South African actors

Hi.

I just wanted to know why there is only about 0.4 pages of South African actors and actresses on Wikipedia while the majority is the white peoples pages?And another thing is there's a big problem with the pagee with no images.When is that gonna get fixed?•••• — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.79.2.180 (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi User:197.79.2.180. Wikipedia articles are written by volunteers, so it may just be that the volunteers who have written articles so far tend to be more interested in white actors and actresses. It's too bad that it isn't more balanced (I'm taking your word for this -- I just clicked through some pages in the category Category:South African actors and the few with images are all black...). If you would like better coverage of black South African actors, I would recommend reading WP:Your first article and thinking about helping write new articles. As for pages with no images, Wikipedia is a free culture project and needs images that are public domain or freely licensed so they can be reused everywhere. This means that we can't generally use images taken by photo agencies or images from movies. Normally we have to wait until a volunteer takes a photo of the actor at an event or in public to be able to have a photo in the article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I am not a new editor, but . . .

a vandal at Browder v. Gayle made a series of bad (as in "bad dog") edits and I know that there is a way to remove them all in one edit, but I don't know how, so if someone who does could take a look at it we will all sleep better tonight. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Carptrash. Thanks to Nthep, who reverted the vandalism before I could get to it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Carptrash: One of the ways is to go to the history tab and choose the edit before the vandalism starts and compare to the last vandalism edit, then from that comparison page, click Undo. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:20, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Carptrash (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

How to upload an image with permission from archives

I am working part time at Mount Holyoke Archives and editing an article entitled List of Glascock Prize Winners and Participants. I am trying to upload a 1955 photo from the college archives with a publisher who may also be the photographer, and who has passed away, and have permission from the head of the archives but don't seem to fit any of the categories listed for releasing the rights. How might I go about uploading it, if possible?Romolade'Bardi (talk) 17:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse! If the copyright owner died, then the rights would pass on with their estate and would need to be release by someone who actually holds the rights, which is most probably not the head of the archives. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

And furthermore, Romolade'Bardi, "permission" is probably not enough. The copyright owner must explicitly release it under a licence compatible with Wikipedia, such as CC-BY-SA. Please see Donating copyright materials for what they need to do. --ColinFine (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Of course, if the image was published in 1955, or indeed in any year up to 1963, there is a good chance that the copyright was not renewed 17 years later, which would put it in the public domain under US law, unless the author was a non-US person, or the publication was outside the US. However, determining non-renewal with reasonable assurance for an image is a non-trivial task. (for text with a consistent title and author it is easier). It also pretty much demands a known year of publication. Would such an image qualify for fair-use as an image of a "historic event"? DES ^(talk) 23:29, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Random page patrollling

How do I patrol pages so that a notification would appear in the users feed?WaterViper (talk) 20:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Every time you click "mark this page as patrolled" it automatically sends the page creator a notification saying "WaterViper patrolled Example page". You should be sure to read the guidelines for new page patrollers before you start, though, and if you see something you're unsure about, get a second or third opinion before you tag it or notify the creator. White Arabian mare (Neigh) 20:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)White Arabian mare

I think random page patrol is different to new pages patrol, White Arabian mare. I don't quite understand your question though, WaterViper? By "feed", I presume you mean watchlist, but which users are you concerned are notified? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I assumed WaterViper meant new page, not random page patrol.😳 Another way to find articles to improve, though, is to find the lists of stub-class articles and sort through them, viewing the ones that look interesting and editing them as needed; sometimes you can make a lot of good improvements that way. White Arabian mare (Neigh) 00:36, 24 October 2015 (UTC)White Arabian mare