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Book citations

Does wp have a policy about citing self-published or vanity books?JennyOz 04:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:UGC and WP:SPS RudolfRed (talk) 04:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Rudolf. Sorry but I didn't ask my question very well. The BLP page I am looking at has a section 'Titles by (xxx)'. In it are some fiction works that are published via an online 'vanity' publishing house. The name of the publishing house is used as the publisher. The books have an ISBN number. I am not at all concerned that they appear in the list of his works, just wondered if there is any specific policy or formatting for these types of books.JennyOz 07:19, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
{{cite book}} is as good a way as any of formatting such entries, and WikiProject Bibliographies encourages this. However, I would have concerns about including such books in a bibliographic list. Self-published/vanity published books very rarely meet the requirements of the list inclusion criteria or the MOS requirements for such lists, and so they probably shouldn't be in there at all. Yunshui 雲水 11:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Removal of warning template

Hi! I put a vandal warning template on [[1]]. However this user remove it. Should I put it back? The user has posted threat remark to me, however it has been deleted together with warning template. Tafeax (talk) 11:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

@Tafeax: No. You should not put it back ever. The purpose of a warning is to notify a user that they broke a rule. If they delete the warning, it is a confirmation they have received it. You don't need to add it back again. --Jayron32 12:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Good to know that. Thanks! Tafeax (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse. No, you should not put it back. The user is entitled to remove the warning from his user talk page, and the act of doing so is taken as acknowledgement that he has read the warning, see WP:REMOVED, Wikipedia:Don't restore removed comments, and WP:OWNTALK. If you believe that the user has continued the vandalism after your L3 warning, you can add a L4 warning. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear Mr. David,

Thank you for your quick reply. I saw the page was deleted. I was wondering if this page will always show up as a deleted page for other users who search for this school.

Regards, M Ch Kr.

14:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion - Title?

Hi, My article was deleted under speedy deletion. But I was wondering if the title also will be deleted, so when someone is searching for this title it will not show in Wikipedia as a deleted page.

Thank you in advance.

M Ch Kr

M Ch Kr (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The hypnoptherapy school of india is a link to the deletion log. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
A Wikipedia search does not give results for deleted pages, but in such cases the search gives a redlink to the search string you put in, and that redlink will link to the deletion log where relevant. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear Mr. David,

Thank you for your response was wondering if the red link also will be removed at later stage.

Regards, M Ch Kr

No - searching directly with the text string "The hypnoptherapy school of india" will always take you here. Once Google's web crawlers catch up, though, that will literally be the only way of finding the deleted page - and given that "hypnotherapy" appears to be misspelled, it seems pretty unlikely that anyone will ever find it. Yunshui 雲水 14:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

14:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Is there anyway to remove that link also? I can still find it when I search.

M Ch Kr (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

The message at The hypnoptherapy school of india cannot be removed. It gives a HTTP 404 not found error code so if you refer to a Google search or other external search engine then the page will be removed from their search index next time their web crawler visits the page. Wikipedia does not control when this happens. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

How to put a page on a disambiguated list

Hi all!

So there is a psychological organization whose abbreviation is "APPA"- but the Wikipedia page links to a cartoon character actually called "Appa". I would like to either add the organization to the disambiguated list that is an alternate to "Appa", or get it to link to APPA (all capitals). What is the best way to accomplish this so users can find the organization instead of a cartoon character?

Thank you so much! BHinNJ (talk) 02:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, BHinNJ, and welcome to the Teahouse. First, does this organization have a Wikipedia article? If not, the first step is to create one, provided that the organization meets Wikipedia's notability standards (ie, it has been written about extensively by journalists and other authors in edited publications). If you've never created an article before, see WP:My first article. Once there is an article in the encyclopedia, with the full name of the organization, then you can link to it from the disambiguation page. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I took this discussion as a prompt to do some work on the APPA disambiguation page.
I thought at first that I should take the move of the character page to Wikipedia:Requested moves, but then thought better of it and decided to be WP:BOLD on the matter. After all, how can you seriously say that a cartoon character has greater notability and recognition than a national political party (maybe one could if you were considering Popeye (party) vs. Popeye, but not in this case).
--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Anne Delong for your advice! APPA actually does have a Wikipedia page, so I will take it from there!
Thanks Ceyockey so much for doing some work on that, it looks much more sensible now. I was also questioning why a cartoon has gained such importance! BHinNJ (talk) 18:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

How do you make better use of reflist?

How can I use the same source multiple times, pointing to it at the same place instead of it having multiple entries? And how can I make the reflist look more professional? Thanks. DawnDusk (talk) 07:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi DawnDusk. A standard way to cite multiple references to the same source is to use the markup "ref name". I'm not sure what you mean by making a reflist look "more professional", but sometimes looking at featured articles helps because these are considered to be the best articles that Wikipedia has to offer. If you see a reflist style you like just click on the "edit" button and look at the markup. You can then copy the markup into your sandbox to practice until you've got things how you want them. Be advised though that there is more than once acceptable way to format references or cite sources, so changing the style used in an article just for the sake of change could cause problems with other editors. In some cases, it might be best to discuss such a change on the article's talk page and see if there's a consensus for it. - Marchjuly (talk) 08:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi DawnDusk this is Dfrr. You do not have to make a reflist look Professional. but I cannot explain it that well so if you cannot understand me then you are going to have to ask another user. the reflist is to keep the references put in one section of the article instead of another section which just makes it much worse . this just keeps the article well Organized and in order instead of out of order . did that help hope it did:-)Dfrr (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC) (Dfrr).

To link source to image

Can any one help me to how to add source link to image which I uploaded.Vickysharma12345 (talk) 17:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Vickysharma12345. You would do it by [[File:Chloe Lynn 2012.jpg|thumb]]. (There are other formatting options besides '|thumb', but that is the most common one). HOWEVER, don't do that, because the photo will shortly be deleted as it is a copyright infringement. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and, with certain exceptions, photos may only be uploaded if they are either in the public domain, or have been explicitly released by the copyright holder under a suitable licence: most images on the internet may not be used. Your best bet to get a picture of Chloe Lynn is either to take one yourself, and then you can upload it as your own work, and explicitly license it; or persuade whoever owns the copyright to license it by following the process in donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Teahouse invite

Hi, is there a script for inviting to the Teahouse? I can't see the link on Twinkle. Thanks, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 18:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

@1Potato2Potato3Potato4: Hi! Yeah it is a different script, called teahouse utility. To add this script copy the text in the box below and paste it into your common.js page then bypass your cache (instructions are on top of your .js page).
importScript("User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/teahouseUtility.js"); // Gives one-click option to add Teahouse invitation or talkback to a user

. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 19:02, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Is there currently an alphabetization error with the categories?

I recently created a new article for a person, and added categories. However, when I visit the pages of those categories, that person's name is shown listed alphabetically by the first letter of their first name rather than by the first letter of their last name. Is there currently a bug or an error with the alphabetization of categories on here? Lupine453 (talk) 19:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Lupine453, you need to set the sorting order by using the magic word {{DEFAULTSORT}}. Add {{DEFAULTSORT:Hennink, Marpessa}} to the bottom of your article and that will sort things out. Nthep (talk) 19:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Nthep Lupine453 (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

SPecies Box?

If you scroll down in the Tigers Article, you'll see two boxes with description for each species of tiger living and extinct (modern). How would I go about doing that? Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 23:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Those boxes are considered tables on Wikipedia. I'm not entirely sure what you are looking to do, but here is a guide on creating tables. Happy Editing! Winner 42 Talk to me! 23:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
You can click the Edit tab or one of the section edit links to see how a page did something. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 23:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

GA Reviewing

Hey fellow Teahouse hosts/guests!

I've been reviewing All Nippon Airways here and I just realized the nominator, Kai Tak hasn't been on Wikipedia since March according to his contributions. Where can I ask someone to replace him as the nominator? Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 02:00, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@MrWooHoo: This is the way of some editors. The contributor may be on vacation, of course, so do not be unduly impatient. If you wish to improve the article then enjoy improving it. If not, then not. We have no need of the original editor's continued presence. Fiddle Faddle 10:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Help with feedback on a draft article, and how do I add an image?

Hi, Daryl Golden got me started today and he's tied up at the moment; here's the draft article for review. Also, how do I add/upload an image for the article? Thanks in advance! -Dyan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dyan_at_SAC/sandbox/Steven_R._DiSalvo,_Ph.D. Dyan at SAC (talk) 18:48, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Correct link is User:Dyan at SAC/sandbox/Steven R. DiSalvo, Ph.D.. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I believe EoRDE6 added this:
Correct link is User:Dyan at SAC/sandbox/Steven R. DiSalvo, Ph.D.. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I clicked on (Come Talk to Me!), can't find any ref. or how to Talk to You. Please advise. Thanks! Dyan at SAC (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok Dyan at SAC. First, I added that comment so other teahouse hosts could get to the article (your link didn't work). Your article will be reviewed soon, but until then I suggest you move your references into inline citations, preferred for blps. About the image, did you take the image, or did you find it on the internet? Wikipedia for the most part only accepts pictures with no copyright (especially if the topic is still alive/existing). You can find a whole lot more in the Image use policy. Happy editing! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I'm responding here as it makes the conversation easier to follow. I assume that you have already gotten help with the references as you talked to Theroadislong. However, one thing you should do is to move the citation templates inline with the article. That means you put the citation templates in the body of the article. This is so you can see the little number things in the text of the article so you can see which sources support which facts. As for the image, you can upload images that you've taken yourself and have not published anywhere else, otherwise you have to send an email to donate the image. Thanks! Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 07:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
And to explain why your link didn't work, you included the text string https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dyan_at_SAC/sandbox/Steven_R._DiSalvo,_Ph.D. In such a situation, the software assumes that the dot at the end is a full stop at the end of the sentence, and hence it tries to link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dyan_at_SAC/sandbox/Steven_R._DiSalvo,_Ph.D (without the dot at the end of "Ph.D."). That is why EoRdE6 provided the properly formatted wikilink to the page at User:Dyan at SAC/sandbox/Steven R. DiSalvo, Ph.D. . --David Biddulph (talk) 10:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Photo Copyright

Suppose I got some important/interesting photos on Facebook or Twitter or other social websites and downloaded them. Or, you can suppose that i got them on my computer or storage from any of my friends. Now I want to upload them on regarded article on Wikipedia. But when I upload them, I get notices about the copyright and they tag the photos for speedy deletion. What can I do now?????? Recovere1 (talk) 11:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Images that you find on Facebook or Twitter are almost certainly copyright although it may not be clear who the copyright owner is. The only way to be sure an image is suitable for Wikipedia or Commons is to create it yourself.--ukexpat (talk) 12:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Taxbox

How do you create those boxs (I think their called taxboxs) you see on biology pages? Thank you Megaraptor12345 (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Those are called taxoboxes and are typically found on the wikipedia pages of most species. Here is an example of one using elephants. You can copy that into whatever article you are working on and substitute the information about elephants for the information about the article's subject. Hope that helps! Winner 42 Talk to me! 18:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
There is detailed documentation at Template:Taxobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Where did my question go?

I posted a question here yesterday? Where did it go? How do I see that it posted somewhere? How and where is the response?

-- IsaacMalitz

IsaacMalitz 15:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsaacMalitz (talk • contribs) 15:07, 17 April 2015‎ (UTC)

Are you sure you posted the question under this account yesterday? Looking at Your contributions you haven't used it since 2006 and this is your first edit to the Teahouse. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
The onlne interface seemed to accept my post. I did the 4 tildes.

Anyhow, I just tried to post again, this time it shows up under Contents

IsaacMalitz 15:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi David: I un-ticked that box. Is my signature okay now?

IsaacMalitz (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@IsaacMalitz: Your signature is fine. [2] shows that you tried to make a post at 04:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC). Maybe that was yesterday in your time zone. The log shows you got a warning because the post contained an email address. You didn't continue to save a post. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Turning red links blue in lists

I'm working on List of places in Pembrokeshire which has many red links for places that don't have articles. Some of the places are included in other articles, such as Bethlehem, Pembrokeshire which I have created as a redirect to its parent community, Rudbaxton. Before I go any further, is it better to (a) create the red link name as a redirect, as above, or (b) just pipe the redlink into the name of the parent community thus: Bethlehem? Or is this something I should raise at WikiProject Wales? I don't want to make life difficult for anyone wishing to start articles on any of these minor settlements. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@Tony Holkham: The best thing to do is nothing redlinks are not bad. Redlinks let others know that a needed article does not yet exist. Now, sometimes, the redlink probably shouldn't be an article. But that isn't every time, and often, it is quite OK to let a redlink be red. --Jayron32 16:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, User:Jayron32. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Just another photo copyright question

So I'm looking to build an article about the freeware chiptune tracker FamiTracker, and as well as collecting sources I was looking at getting an .svg for the logo to put in the infobox. On the wiki here it mentions that the content contained is under a GNU free documentation license-- but it's a little murky if this is an officially-endorsed wiki or not since it is apparently linked to the official forum-- and the official site for FT here mentions that the source code is under a GNU GPL, but I don't know how to tell if the icon/logo itself is - generally I'm not that familiar with how to navigate copyright clearance for images. Would I be better off just trying to contact the creator directly to obtain permissions to use the logo, or what else should I be doing? Please ping me if you answer. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, BlusterBlaster. In most cases, a low resolution version of a logo is considered an acceptable use of "non-free content", but only in a single main space article about the company, not in a draft article. So, upload the logo here on Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons) right after your article goes live. I wouldn't bother trying to obtain permission because you do not need it in this type of case. Please read WP:LOGOS for details. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

offering sandbox as an article

My writing of Jesus Christ's disciples explains the path of enlightenment available to all peoples - educated or uneducated Can this article be a contribution to the global Wikipedia for all peoples?Tmglen (talk) 09:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Your question was answered here [[3]] "your writing does not appear suitable as an encyclopedia entry. Wikipedia does not contain "enlightened spiritual writings" Theroadislong (talk) 10:09, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Tmglen. No argument, conclusion, judgment, opinion, or recommendation, is ever acceptable in a Wikipedia article unless it comes directly from a single published reliable source, which it references. Otherwise it would be original research, which is not accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Possible new article: Does the subject pass the "notable" test?

The article regards OMS, which is a new kind of Music Theory.

OMS has been discussed for a number of years in online academic forums (Society for Music Theory, American Musicological Society, ...) And it has a substantial website www.OMSModel.com .

Is that sufficient?

IsaacMalitz 15:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsaacMalitz (talk • contribs) 15:15, 17 April 2015‎ (UTC)

There is something wrong with your signature; it does not meet the requirement of WP:SIGLINK. My guess is that in Special:Preferences you have erroneously ticked the box saying "Treat the above as wiki markup." - David Biddulph (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi David. I just un-ticked that box. Is my signature okay now?

IsaacMalitz (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

FYI, according to the abovementioned website the acronym "OMS" means “Organized Multi-Stimulation”. @IsaacMalitz To pass Notability you need to cite multiple independent reliable sources, the only one you've mentioned is not independent as it's explicit purpose is to promote the subject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Do the following qualify as independent reliable sources:

[a] Online forum of Society for Music Theory [b] Online forum of American Musicological Society

These are both professional forums for approved members only, and they are moderated. Both of these have significant discussion threads about OMS. Within the threads, various points of view are expressed.

IsaacMalitz (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

IsaacMalitz welcome to The Teahouse. In general, forums are not acceptable as sources. The fact that members are approved and these are professional forums may make a difference, but you'd have to ask at WP:RSN. On the other hand, I belong to two forums where radio industry professionals discuss topics, and I'm merely a listener and no expert. One of those forums warns that the opinions are just those. My guess is no.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, IsaacMalitz. I tend to agree with Vchimpanzee. "Notable" usually means "people other than the subject/originator have written about the subject, and been published in a reliable place". It needs articles or books about OMS from people who didn't originate it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Verified channels

Can we consider videos uploaded by officially verified channels in Youtube as reliable source. As lots of news channels have official youtube channel and even music company and production houses are having verified channels in Youtube CosmicEmperor (talk) 17:04, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:YOUTUBE somewhat answers your question, but the bottom line is that it depends on the channel and content you want to site. Youtube videos put out by the subject of an article can be treated as primary sources and youtube videos by news organizations can be treated as independent. Hope that answers your question. Winner 42 Talk to me! 17:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
@CosmicEmperor: The way to think about YouTube is not a source itself, but as a medium which sources use, like TV or Radio or Books or Magazines. There is no blanket way to treat YouTube. Some videos on YouTube are reliable for certain purposes, others are not. The reliability of a source is not dependent on where it is published, but on the reputation of the source for fact checking and independence and editorial control. An official YouTube channel of a well-respected news organization is as reliable as the reputation of the organization that maintains it. A video posted by some random dude is as reliable as that random dude (i.e. not reliable at all). Consider the origin of the YouTube channel and measure the specific YouTube channel against the standards of WP:RS and WP:IS to determine if the specific video you wish to use as a source meets the standards of Wikipedia. --Jayron32 01:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Jayron32 explained things very clearly here, and I agree. This is good advice. One of the most important skills of a productive Wikipedia editor is the ability to evaluate the reliability of a given source, in context. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Remove

Hey, could you remove me from the bots list, don't need the unsolicited posts, thanks? SourAcidHoldout (talk) 06:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@SourAcidHoldout: you can put {{nobots}} at the top of your talk page to scare most of them away.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:58, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hopefully you don't mind, but I added the template for you. -- t numbermaniac c 02:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Some bots are your friend — like the one that tells you that you have added a link to a Disambiguation page. Don't you want to know so that you can correct your error? What bots particularly gall you? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Change an article's name?

Hi, The Clark Kerr Award is rarely called "Clark Kerr Medal" as the article's page is titled. Even the citation for that page is History of Clark Kerr Award. Would it be useful to change the title? Would the change of title affect the links to the currently listed winners of the award?

Thank you,

TendingmagictreesTendingmagictrees (talk) 22:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello! The policy on wikipedia is to typically use the WP:COMMONNAME of the subject as the article's title. Spending a few minutes of research, it appears that "Clark Kerr Award " is more come than "Clark Kerr Medal" and the fact that it is officially called an award in the reference helps too. I've gone ahead and changed the title of the article and created a redirect so all the old links to it still work. Thanks for pointing this out! Winner 42 Talk to me! 22:37, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
In answer to the first question, you WP:Move the article to a new page with the desired title. There is nothing officially called "Rename." BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:36, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

my article was deleted-now I have copyright release- want to resubmit article

I wrote a bio on BOBBY OGDIN. It was recommended for deletion because of suspected plagiarism. Now I have obtained a release from the copyright holder. I want to give somebody in authority the release and resubmit my article. Can you tell me the steps to take? thank you, "Eagledj" David JonesEagledj (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Eagledj: Did you follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials? Obtaining the release in any other manner is probably not helpful.
(and it is probably worth noting that even with a fully compliant copyright release, it is unlikely that text written for other purposes would be appropriate for an encyclopedia article.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. A Wikipedia article is required to be written from a neutral point of view, Eagledj, and there aren't many other places on the web which have such a requirement. In particular, if the text you want to copy is written or published by anybody associated with Ogdin, it would be very surprising if it were suitable. Note that every single piece of information in a Wikipedia article should be individually referenced to a reliable published source, and the majority to sources unconnected with the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
There already IS an article for Bobby Ogdin. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
OK. There is a discussion about possibly deleting it. Click here to talk about it. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Too much sand!

Hello, everybody! Usually I am in here to answer questions, but today I have one to ask. I have a lot of sandboxes that have "just growed." Can I ask some understanding person to remove them for me? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for answering and asking questions at the Teahouse, BeenAroundAWhile. Place the following template:
{{db-userreq}}
at the top of any sandbox or other user page you no longer need. It will soon be deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

how to add reliable, secondary sources about the topic.?

Hi I'm new to making a Wiki page and I'm trying my hardest to do this correctly but I have a hard time understanding how to do most of the things on here. Simply linking or making a reference list was hard for me to understand but I manage to figure it out somehow.

I really need help on how to keep my wiki page up so it doesn't get deleted. Any tip on how to fix these two warning?

This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (April 2015) - The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Dragon Ball Global" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images (April 2015)

this is the page I created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Global Thank you for reading.

Darksage140 (talk) 02:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Darksage140:. The basic guide on the requirements for a stand alone article are covered here. You can also find a good resource at WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE for the concepts. for formatting see WP:REFB -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Greetings Darksage140, and thanks for visiting the Teahouse. Always keep a backup copy somewhere on your own computer in case things like this happen. Many new editors are completely surprised when they leave their draft for couple hours and find that it has disappeared. Best Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  21:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't look like the sources are neutral and reliable. One of them even cites Wikipedia. Wikipedia, as everyone knows, is not Reliable. It also looks like this article is mostly an advertisement. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Phjotos

Hi everyone, man this site is maddening!!!! ARgghghghgh.... I can;t get to the page to edit the copyright stuff to respond to it being in correct. It simple always takes me tot he pages explaining the copyright stuff and never giving me an option to go and change the copyright stuff.. geeeeez!!!! Maybe I should delete the photo and then re-load?

And even this messaging for assistance gave me options to go to explanation pages NOT the chat site... so counter intuitive....Sorry... just frustrated over here. And I'm online working for a website all day all the time. Why does wiki make it sooooo hard to post pics... I get that it must be legit...but still even if legit.. it is sooooo hard. arghghghg....

Thanks for any help. RuthRuth Fruehauf (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Ruth. Your image uploads that I see are:
Each blue image name I've listed above is a link. If you click on one, and then click "edit this page" at the top, you will be able to change the text associated with the images and provide proper licensing. If you have the authority, you must choose a free-copyright license or release the images into the public domain in order for them to be okay for use (unless they are already free or PD). Do you own the copyright to these images? If so, what makes you the owner—who took the photographs, and how did you gain ownership; did you inherit them? More specifically, since I've now read your post to one of the file talk pages, are you the sole owner of the property of Fruehauf Trailer Company and are you sure they owned them outright? Were any of them taken and published in the United States Before 1923? (in which case they are automatically in the public domain). It would be really helpful for us to provide further guidance if you tried to answer these questions. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:59, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I often share your frustration, but I've had to adjust to the fact that Wikipedia is much tougher on copyright than are most other places. Lots of historical reasons for that. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

What is the difference between rollback, rollback (AGF), and rollback (Vandal)?

I am using Twinkle I see three rollback features. What is their difference? Also what is the difference between Twinkle's rollback and the rollback feature (WP:RBK)? --ABCDEFADtalk to me 22:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@ABCDEFAD: "Vandal" implies the edit was made in bad faith, with the intention to mislead readers or to damage the article or page. An AGF rollback implies that the edit was made with good intentions but is nonetheless inappropriate for whatever reason. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 22:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
To add on, Twinkle's rollback feature sends a message to the vandal's talk page, while the Wikipedia rollback doesn't. -- t numbermaniac c 02:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
AGF means "Assume Good Faith," which means you think the other editor was, well, not a vandal. BeenAroundAWhile (talk
Keep in mind that most nonconstructive edits are not vandalism. Vandalism is only things like inserting a bunch of random letters, changing a name to a profanity, changing dates or statistical figures in a way that it is obvious that they are defacing, not correcting, or unexplained removal of information. For that, you would use the vandal tab. the vandal tab automatically inserts an edit summary, the other two don't. If the edit is bad, but not vandalism, use rollback and add an edit summary saying why. If it appears that the editor was trying to add useful content, but it wasn't, use AGF. an example of the latter might be adding someone who is important, but is not notable, to a list of notable. people. John from Idegon (talk) 06:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Villages

Hi, should all new articles not have references where possible? In addition, would I be correct in stating that finding the calling code of a small village is original research? Apologies if I should not phrase my question as I have, or should not have asked it. Thanks, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 08:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, @1Potato2Potato3Potato4: . Generally populated, legally recognized places are considered "notable" WP:GEOLAND . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi TheRedPenOfDoom, I understand the notability, but is it acceptable to create several pages with information such as calling code with no references? Thanks, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 10:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Can you provide a link to a sample? I am not quite sure what you mean by "calling code" . the criteria is "populated, legally recognized" - there needs to be some type of evidence that it is/was a "legally recognized" place.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
TheRedPenOfDoom: I believe the subject is notable, but the author is refusing to provide a source to Rasool Pur and removed the tag 'unreferenced', which it plainly is. I was wondering if finding the calling code of the village constituted original research. Thanks, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 10:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
WP:OR the prohibition on "original research " is against the content in the article itself, it does not prohibit people from looking for sources.
If calling codes in the country are issued and determined by an official government body, then one can argue that a calling code is evidence of "legally recognized". if the calling codes are determined by a non government body, then they are not evidence of "legally recognized" merely "corporate recognized".-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
If a "calling code" is unique to that one village it may be regarded as official recognition, but such codes are almost never assigned to individual villages. In rural areas a calling code is most frequently assigned to an entire district, which may contain dozens of villages. It's only larger towns and cities that have individually assigned codes. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
@1Potato2Potato3Potato4: Please don't exaggerate things. Where did I refuse to provide references? You're getting quite obsessed with OR. When you'll click on calling code in infobox you won't be taken to an article calling code but List of dialling codes in Pakistan where the claim of calling code for Rasool Pur/District Gujrat is automatically backed. I also said earlier like some other editors said, villages don't have unique calling codes and all the cities and villages under a district follow the dialling code of their district. I would say instead of wasting resources, be bold and add references yourself. You can find a reference in the said list-class article.  sami  talk 06:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
You removed the tag which was obviously incorrect and stated that the article didn't need sources, "the article has coordinates enough to back the only line of the stub", not even mentioning that sources were available. You then didn't reply on the article talk despite a talkback. I am not "obsessed", it's a simple request that you provide one reference on these stubs you keep churning out. I would suggest that given that you are creating multiple and that you obviously have far better knowledge on the subject than me, that you can provide a reference-I have no idea where to find one, but you should be able. If you know where to find a source, don't be lazy, just copy and paste, my knowledge of Pakistan's geography is non-existent or I would do it (that and I can't access Toolserver to see how many unreferenced articles you've created). I'm curious about this waste of resources you say about above? 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 08:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Duplicated content problem

Hello, on List of diseases (O), OCD List of diseases (O)#OC and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder List of diseases (O)#O-Ob are listed separately despite being the same thing. Is this too much of a minor issue to worry about? The same has happened with Oculodentodigital syndrome and its alternative name Oculo-dento-digital syndrome. Rubbish computer (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Rubbish computer. OCD redirects to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, so if a reader searches for it under either name they will end up at the same article. Given that both names are quite widely used, this seems like a good approach to me.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Rubbish computer (talk) 10:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

editing a box that is the same in several articles

Hi. On the page Library hand, there is a box at the bottom titled "Types of handwritten European scripts". How can this box be edited? The final entry in the "Modern" section, "Zaner-Bloser", should not be there - it links to the page for a company that sells handwriting materials.184.147.117.34 (talk) 12:15, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

This is what is known as a template. In our parlance this means a piece of article, held in the Template: namespace, that is edited centrally and then transcluded (included) into other articles. At the top left hand corner of the box are letters V T and E. V views the template, T goes to its talk page, and E edits it.
Please, before you edit a template. be certain of what you are about to do. Any changes you make are reflected in all the articles that translate it. Controversial edits will require that you build a consensus first. Fiddle Faddle 12:32, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
There were two items on that template, added by the same editor, that seemed to me to be out of place. I have removed them both. The other was Palmer. Fiddle Faddle 12:39, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! You are right, Palmer wasn't European either, as well as not being a script.184.147.117.34 (talk) 12:46, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Log in

OK so. I returned to Wikipedia, was about to make an edit, got a message saying I was logged out. Huh? I then logged in. This is weird because I don't ever log out and this hasn't happened before. I would like to know what happened. Why was I logged out? There is no issue but it's weird. I didn't know where to ask this so I asked here. I know this is a little pointless. :) –DangerousJXD (talk) 08:23, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: Last time I logged in it allowed me to remain logged in for a fixed period, I think 30 days. There was a tick box. I imagine that the login cookies, if any, have a fixed expiry period. I never log out either. But I do log in at times. Fiddle Faddle 08:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing that up. :) –DangerousJXD (talk) 08:35, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@DangerousJXD:, I can confirm what Fiddle Faddle thought - according to Help:Logging in#How to log in, "the cookies containing username and password automatically expire 30 days after login (unless you log out manually)."--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Add our Magazines and Journals in listing.

Respected Sir, We are publishing monthly Microbiology magazines since last one year named Microbioz India apart from Magazine we also have an International Journals naned Microbioz Journals. Dear Sir,I would like to listing of my magazine name and journal in wikkipedia kundly help me. Thanks & Regards Kumaar Jeetendra www.microiozindia.com www.microbiozjournals.com

Wikipedia is absolutely not for you to push your commercial wares. Please read WP:COI Fiddle Faddle 17:31, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I finished an article, but can't find a place to submit it.

I'm sure it's something simple and obvious, but I can't find it. Artisticview (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

@Artisticview: Dealt with here, though I think it needs more improvement before it will be accepted. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 17:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Article that should be a redirect

I noticed that the Groundnut crinkle virus article looks like is should be a redirect to the Cowpea mild mottle virus. Both articles list the other's species name as a synonym, and none of the other synonyms listed (identical for each virus) have an article. Is there someone with some level of expertise in virus taxonomy who could take a look and change Groundnut crinkle virus into a redirect if appropriate? Thanks. Carl Henderson (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Carl. The table here at least indicates some geographic distinction, though not that they aren't the same pathogen. And this indicates they may be different. Anyway, it seems to me a post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Viruses might be a good place to ask, maybe linking this thread. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I will ask there. Carl Henderson (talk) 22:56, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Strange problem

It says on X!'s tools that I made several edits on Wikidatawiki today and that I have done this before. I have never used this wiki. Please advise. Rubbish computer (talk) 22:37, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Rubbish computer. X!'s tools, in my experience, is very buggy. It is most likely one of the many small bugs that will fix itself after a while. I suggest you just don't worry about it. :) —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you DangerousJXD. Rubbish computer (talk) 22:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

No offense DangerousJXD but can you at least check a users contributions first? Thanks. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 23:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@Rubbish computer: See wikidata:Special:Contributions/Rubbish computer. You moved two English Wikipedia articles with Wikidata entries. That required a Wikidata update of the English language link and you were automatically credited for the change. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@Rubbish computer: I believe when you move a page on English Wikipedia it automatically moves the link on WikiData. Wikidata is the central depository for data and links to each language of an article. If you don't mind, why are you blocked on in.wiki? Lol EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 22:59, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
It's at idwiki, the Indonesian Wikipedia. Rubbish computer has no edits there. Google Translate says the block reason "Nama pengguna tak layak" means "Username is not feasible", so the name must have broken some local rule. A translation of their username policy includes "The names that imply bot can be blocked". I guess "computer" in the name was seen as a violation of that. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you all that's cleared it up. I'm surprised to learn I'm blocked on the Indonesian Wikipedia. :/ Rubbish computer (talk) 10:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Auburn Maine

Hello, I recently visited my cities Wikipedia page and the city photo is mostly of its sister city Lewiston. The placement of the photo is terrible with the shading and telephone lines in direct/close view. The photo should be taken from across the river from Lewiston City. Would I be able to submit a clear and more accurate photo?

Thank You, Chad Kinney <redacted>

Hello, Chad. (I've removed your email - it's really not a good idea to put it on such a public page). The answer is, yes, you are very welcome to provide a better picture, provided the copyright is acceptable. If it's a picture you took yourself, certainly: go to WP:UPLOAD, and it will lead you through uploading it to Wikimedia commons, including getting you to release it under a suitable licence. But if it is not your picture, you will need the copyright owner to upload it themselves, or to go through the procedure in donating copyright materials. Pictures you found on the internet are usually not acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Change date format in signature

I am making a custom signature for myself, but how should I change the date format so that e.g. 1 January 3001 becomes 3001-01-01 (ISO)? IllogicMink (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, IllogicMink! You can't control how others see the timestamp in your signature, because each user gets to choose how time is displayed for them (including timestamps in signatures, page histories and watchlists). If you want to change how you see timestamps, you can go to the appearance section of your preferences, where you can find an ISO 8601 format option. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 05:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
@IllogicMink: The mentioned preference only applies to time stamps generated on request in page histories, watchlists, user contributions and so on. Date formats saved in wiki pages like signatures are not changed. But there is a gadget which can make some changes: Wikipedia:Comments in Local Time. Do not try to customize the date format your signature is saved in. The dates should be in a standard format which can be read by software like archiving bots and that gadget. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Deleted

Why did my page get deleted? I seriously don't understand, I was just trying to find out how all of this works. And I did a pretty good job, with facts, and now it's gone. why? MychaelJaxon (talk) 12:59, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

You may want to read this article. Singing three songs does not make one notable. Kleuske (talk) 13:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi MychaelJaxon, what are you saying is deleted? The page you created was As May and has not, as yet, been deleted, just marked as proposed to be deleted. This means it needs more work to pass Wikipedia:Notability standards, or if not will then be deleted. If more references exist to verify notability you should add them. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 14:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Why I saw a note on an article? How to remove it.

I saw a note on Q. Wang (Artist) page. The reason is not very clear. I don't feel it's necessary to have a note there. How to remove the note?

John, Johnwcdc (talk) 21:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@Johnwcdc: first check on the talk page to be sure that it is not being discussed or someone has not made a clear statement about why it has been tagged. If there is nothing there then you can remove the template marking the issue you believe has been addressed. the template will be some words surrounded by double braces looking something like: {{Refimprove|Date=Feb 2015}} -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:02, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@Johnwcdc:, the tag on Q. Wang (artist) is for Notability, and I recommend discussing the matter on the article's Talk page before removing it. This is because when I took a quick look through the article's "references" that are available online, not one of them actually mentioned the subject. They are general works about art, not about this artist, so they don't help to establish the artist's notability.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:36, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Gronk, I saw this article in Biographic scopr, also in Visual art scope. I f it not match the Bio scope requirement, can we take it off the scope, and live it in the Visual Art scope. Without the note? John, Johnwcdc (talk) 01:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@Johnwcdc: - please ping me on your replies, to be sure I see them. I am not sure what your last question is asking. Every article needs to show that the subject meets Wikipedia's standard for Notability. I cannot say whether this one does or not, because the remaining references are off-line or in languages which I can't read. So I don't even know whether those references mention him; certainly not whether they support the claims being made in the article. My recommendation is to make sure there are good, relevant references in reliable sources to support the article's statements, and then the Notability tag can be removed in good faith.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@Gronk, You confused the "Press" with the "Ref". The press is a section of the article, it's list some of the articles about Q. Wang all over the world.

You can use Google translate to see if it Q. Wang related. And at least you can see all those English article are all Q. Wang related. Broken link are very common those days. When the was written, the link is live, after sometime the source may change. This can not be use as a reason to block an good article.

John, Johnwcdc (talk) 02:59, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Johnwcdc. I'm afraid you are misunderstanding some basic things about how Wikipedia works. There should not be a "Press" section in an article: external links are not allowed in the body of an article unless they are inline references, used to support specific statement in the article. A very limited number of external links may be presented in an "External links" section, but their use is quite restricted, according to the policy in external links. Please see referencing for beginners for more about references.
What the references need to show is that several people unconnected with Wang have written substantial pieces about him, and published them in reliable places. From the way it is cited, it is quite likely that the Andrews and Gao book does this (I haven't access to the book, so I can't tell for sure), but it appears that most of the references are not about Wang at all, but about the conclusions and ideas of whoever wrote this Wikipedia article (you?). Let me give you an example: The article says "Because of the idiosyncratic nature of the artist’s work, he can also be considered as an outsider artist.", with references to Rhodes and to Moma. This is an unacceptable statement in a Wikipedia article, because it is original research. It would be acceptable to say "Colin Rhodes considers Wang as an outsider artist" with the reference, if indeed Colin Rhodes does say such a thing. But I suspect (not having access to Rhodes' book) that, like the Moma reference, the book is about Outsider art, but does not mention Wang. (Forgive me if I am wrong: I am drawing conclusions from the way other references are used).
What the article needs to be is entirely based on what has been said about Wang in reliable published sources; and nearly all of it should be based on what people unconnected with him have written about him. If nobody has yet written very much about him, then he is, by definition, not notable (in Wikipedia's special sense), and an attempted article about him cannot be good, or even acceptable. To save the article you need to find places where people unconnected with Wang (so not him, his agents, his publishers, galleries that have exhibited him) have published substantial writing about him, and reference these pieces of writing. --ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Colin,

The article is not written by me. I hope I can write that good English.

What can normally be linked [edit] 1.Wikipedia articles about any organization, person, website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site, if any. See Official links below. 2.An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a legally distributed copy of the work, so long as none of the Restrictions on linking and Links normally to be avoided criteria apply. 3.Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues,[3] amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons.

John, Johnwcdc (talk) 15:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Picture of the day

How do you add picture of the day to your user page? Thanks! Yckaustubh (talk) 15:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe that would use {{potd}} OR {{pic of the day}}. One has a caption and one doesn't I believe. You can click those links for more. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 15:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again!

Yckaustubh (talk) 15:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding usage of Infobox

Am I allowed to use infobox (if yes what tag) to create my user page? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! Yckaustubh (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi and welcome! You can put pretty much whatever you want (to a certain extent) on your userpage and for that purpose I would suggest using {{Infobox user}}. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 15:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank You!

Yckaustubh (talk) 15:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Font SIze

I have searched a few Wikipedia pages but cant seem to get my hands on how to increase the font size of an article. Thanks for all the help Yckaustubh (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Yckaustubh, if you mean when reading then I don't think so, I've always found it odd that Wikipedia has no size control for accessibility. All the main browsers have ways to increase the size. Personally I find the default font to big, but I know others find it too small. If you mean when writing, then no - there is no reason one article should be bigger or smaller than another. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
if you feel this problem, you are not alone, many others feel this problem and just press Ctrl and +simultaneously to zoom it.

Screenshots frm wallpapers

Can screenshots from a custom made wallpaper be uploaded? Also cases of games? Thanks Yckaustubh (talk) 16:48, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Yckaustubh. It's not easy to answer these questions in the abstract, because so much depends on the particular circumstances, but I'll have a go. For the wallpaper (I'm assuming you mean computer images, not paper you paste to the wall), it depends what you mean by "custom made": who owns the copyright? If you made it from scratch, you own the copyright and you can do what you want with it, and upload it to Wikimedia commons, releasing it under a suitable licence as you go. If somebody else made it, or (probably) if you made using somebody else's artwork, you do not own the copyright, and may not upload it unless the copyright owner goes through the procedure in donating copyright materials. (There is another question, as to whether the content is suitable for uploading to Wikimedia commons or Wikipedia: generally only images that might reasonably be expected to get used in a Wikipedia article (or a sister project) are acceptable, so that will depend on the content).
As for the game case, probably yes. It almost certainly cannot be uploaded as a free image; but this is one of the common cases where non-free images are used under the doctrine of fair use. A low-resolution copy may be uploaded to Wikipedia (not to Commons), as long as it is used in precisely one article in main-space (not a draft), which it illustrates in a way nothing else could. For the full list of conditions, all of which must be met, see non free content criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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