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a new article dilemma

Just edited my article on Alex Martinez the graffiti artist. I'd like to upload some images of his murals. I snapped them myself. How is that done please?

Here's the link if allowed; Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alex Martinez, Graffiti Artist

Thanks

Graffitinucular (talk) 08:39, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Before worrying about adding images you need to address the feedback you received when you submitted the draft for review. You deleted that feedback in your subsequent edit, but I have added it back in as it stays there to help you and subsequent reviewers; the feedback will be removed if and when the draft is approved. The law regarding copyright in photographs of works of art can be complicated, so I will leave someone else to answer that. Note also that I changed the URL in your question to a wikilink. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I will take a crack at the copyright issue, Graffitinucular. My understanding is that this artist has mostly been active in the United States and Greece, but your draft also mentions a work in the United Kingdom. Copyright laws vary a bit from country to country. If the works you've photographed are in the United States, then all paintings published or displayed in public after 1923 are copyrighted. You can't upload a photo of a copyrighted work to Wikimedia Commons under a Creative Commons license. However, if the work has been the subject of critical commentary by reliable sources, you may be able to upload a photo to English Wikipedia under Non-free content criteria for use only in one main space article. This is a very tricky area, so I recommend to you as David Biddulph has recommended above that you concentrate first on improving the prose and the referencing of the article, and then deal with images later. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Ok, my prose needs improvement and I have to get the code right. For what it's worth, I do appreciate that it's not so easy to create an article here. I may have started off as riff-raff but now I know better... A question about Citations. What if there's no online link to articles published in newspapers and magazines? The best example is Graphotism Magazine, the Graffiti Bible since 1991, it went under almost 2 years ago. Would it suffice to simply cite the article's date info? There is a scan of the book review they did on the artist I'm trying to list and it lives here; http://publishing.yudu.com/Freedom/Abu1b/ArtistPortfolioAlexa/resources/40.htm is this sort of link acceptable on Wiki?

Then there are magazine articles such as Penthouse (Greek Version), which has no online link but is also scanned at this page; http://publishing.yudu.com/Freedom/Abu1b/ArtistPortfolioAlexa/resources/36.htm Any wisdom passed my way is greatly appreciated.

Graffitinucular (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Graffitinucular. Providing an online link is encouraged if there is one, but it is absolutely not required, as long as the resource is in principle available to anyone (eg through a public library). Linking to a scanned version is fine as long as you have reason to believe that the scan and its posting are authorised by the copyright holder. Never link to a site which appears to be a copyright violation - and if you're not sure, don't --ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Great news Colin, Cheers

I've been frantically editing. Care to give me an opinion on where I'm going wrong? I'm sure there are several errors I haven't noticed.

By the by, what are those numbers next to the articles in contributions? Mine have been all over the place.

Graffitinucular (talk) 15:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Presumably the artist's creations are copyrighted (they are unless he's said otherwise). I'm not sure if it's OK to take pictures of them. The numbers in the contributions refer to the change in the number of bytes. Adding content makes the numbers show up green, removing it makes them show up in red. Bold numbers refer to changes of over 500 bytes. --Jakob (talk) 15:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Graffitinucular. You're writing Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alex Martinez, Graffiti Artist as an event article rather than a biography. The current article structure is wrong so you won't get to where you need to be. A biography basically has an early life section (birth through college) followed by career section (usually life after college). The information is presented chronologically. For an artist, you can include a third section that discusses his work. A fourth section can be a list of selected works. That's basically it. Also, switch your citation templates to Template:Citation. Websites are not favored sources and using cite web does not help move people to agree with what you wrote. Regarding copyright, you pushing the camera button to take a photo of a copyrighted painting creates a derivative work (the photo) of the copyright work (Martinez's painting in the photo). The photos would need to meet WP:NFCC to be used in the article. WP:NFCC is very difficult to understand for new editors. In short, what you want to do here is include in the Wikipedia article a source discussing the painting. Once you write the Wikipedia article, take photos of only those paintings discussed in the Wikipedia article. That will go a long way to showing that the use of the copyrighted photos in the article meet WP:NFCC. If you try to include photos of Martinez's copyright work in the article without discussing them in the article, you will experience challenges to such inclusion. You would be better off avoiding such grief. You have six photos in the article now and most of those will have to go. -- Jreferee (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Jreferee, Firstly, I'm trying to create this article specifically because Alex's work is being used all over the place without permission or credit or cash. I'm an amateur photographer and took the pictures I uploaded with permission. if Alex has to give it, then we'll have to wait till he returns from the orient next month.

Copies were given to Alex Martinez and he allows them to be posted freely. Check out the latest article posted yesterday in Athens News, the image of Alex high on the ladder is one of mine. http://www.athensvoice.gr/article/%CF%83%CF%84%CE%AE%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%82-web/skate-graffiti/the-power-graffiti-art

This isn't a commercial enterprise like Getty Images stealing his works and getting away with it, a wiki article is meant to protect Alex's copyright.

If you're able, please help me get this thing done. I never wrote a bio but there's no more biographical stuff to add. He started as a vandal, doesn't want to make an issue of it and now he's reformed and gainfully self employed. Thanks for your msg Graffitinucular (talk) 07:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, that's not enough to satisfy Wikipedia's lawyers. We need a either a public statement from him or one mailed to Wikipedia, that either says they are in the public domain (which means that he relinquishes all rights in them) or that he licences them under the CC-BY-SA license or similar, which means that he retains the copyright, but grants an irrevocable licence to anybody to use them for any purpose (including commercial purposes) as long as they attribute them properly. He may be prepared to do that, in which case look at Donating copyright materials for how he should proceed. Now I've reread what you have said, that doesn't look so likely. I'm sorry, but I can't see how Wikipedia can possibly be used to protect anybody's copyright, since the whole philosophy of Wikipedia is to allow free use of information.
On another subject, now you have indicated that you are in contact with him, you may have a conflict of interest, so please read WP:COI to see how best to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Colin, do you mean that because he approved my taking pictures of his works the times I asked him, this conflict effects me how? Picture deletion? Article deletion?

Graffitinucular (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok Colin, I read it and understand. It's only because I know his local work that I recognise others using it. He's not on Wikipedia so I figured why not? The pictures I'll delete myself to save unnecessary grief later.

Cheers Graffitinucular (talk) 22:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Graffitinucular - Hang on! Even if Alex won't (or shouldn't) give you the permission you need to freely use the images in the Wikipedia article, photos still can be used in articles without the copyright holder's permission under WP:NFCC. For NFCC, if you take the photo and then try to find a written source about it, trouble. But, if you find the written source first and then take the photos based on those written sources, you're on a NFCC winning path. I can help you find written sources to support adding some of his work to the article. For example, School Enjoys Writing on the Wall might support adding a photo of the 1993 mural of a trash can and the message "KEEP IT CLEAN" in the Wikipedia article. I don't have time to find more sources at the moment. However, I'd be happy to locate source material and provide you with a list of Martinez's work discussed in the sources. Then all you need to do is go out and get some snappies of them (if you don't already have them) and we can figure out how to best add the photos to the draft article while meeting WP:NFCC. I'm excited that I can get someone to take photos of something I help write, so I'm looking forward to working with you on this. Please feel free to post on my talk page User talk:Jreferee. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Jreferee. Great idea but much of Martinez's work has been disappeared. I think I'll let it fly without images. He has plenty in the links if anyone is really interested. Thanks Graffitinucular (talk) 16:32, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
OK. Happy editing. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering the same thing... King sorks (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
A big big Thank You to everyone. I'm satisfied with the final editing today, fingers crossed. Cheers Graffitinucular (talk) 13:07, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Citations

Hi! I'm new to editing and I haven't figured out how to cite a source that has already been sourced without copy-pasting the source. How do I do the <ref> nickname, so that the source is only referenced once?

For reference, I've edited the page for Hilla Rebay.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BettyLondon (talk • contribs) 15:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Betty. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once. In short, the first time you use a reference, give it a name:
<ref name="Shakespeare">Citation text<ref>
The next time you want to use that citation again, just use the opening name part, but place a closing slash:
<ref name="Shakespeare" />
Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
P.S. When you type certain markup like <ref> when you want to describe it but not have it work (such as in your post above), you can tell the software not to "understand" the code by surrounding it in nowiki tags (<nowiki>snippet of code/markup</nowiki>). I did this for you above, since that code was not displaying and caused an unintentional problem.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Rejection of an article's update

I am new to Wikipedia and I am still in the process of learning. I want to do things right and if this is not always the case, I want to learn from my mistakes. I recently updated an article on Tigridia Pavonia and added information such as description, height, varieties, etc. My update was removed and I do not understand why. I tried to get an understanding from the Wikipedia member who canceled my edit but I didn't hear from him. Can someone tell me what I did wrong? Thank you so much! (Isamenton (talk) 16:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC))

I imagine that the reason for that edit being reverted was because you provided no references to published reliable sources to support the information you were trying to add. If you wanted to discuss it with the editor who reverted your edit you could have asked at his user talk page; he provided you with a link to it for that purpose. I have put a welcome message on your user talk page, including a number of useful links for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Article questions

I do not know what to do with this type of articles? Is there a deletion criteria for it or it has notability as such? --BiH (talk) 08:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse! As the bottom text says, you can help by expanding the article, that is, by adding more information from reliable sources. If, however, you cannot find enough information from such sources, this street may not be notable and should be deleted. (The article was created only 2 days ago, so I'll hold off on calling for deletion.) --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 18:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
There are no specific notability criteria for streets and locations, but it still must meet the general notability guidelines. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 18:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

My first article

Hi, I am currently making my first article (or more precisely, waiting for my autoconfirmation so I can upload an image). I would like to ask for anyone to comment on it or suggest something to help me develop it while I wait for my auto confirmation. Thanks (Click here to visit). Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 12:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Special:GettingStarted will always have small tasks for editors to complete. Consider joining a WikiProject, a collaborative group for certain topics, that you may be interested in. WikiProjects tend to have task lists. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Bananasoldier (talk) 18:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I have article shortcomings tags removed?

I have recently improved on an entry I created, my first, which one of the moderators tagged to show shortcomings in it. I have tried to improve most of these now. Will the large notice which rather defaces the article be removed or do I have to request this? The page is Philip Bounds, by the way. Many thanks for any help. CaryB42 (talk) 19:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, CaryB42, and welcome to the Teahouse. Those tags are inserted, and removed, by any editor who thinks it appropriate; so if you believe you have addressed the issues, you may remove the tags. However, if I look at the article Philip Bounds (I have linked that by putting it between double square brackets, so : [[Philip Bounds]]), it appears to me that all the tags in that article are still appropriate. There is only one formatted reference, which seems to point to reviews by Philip Bounds, and so can do nothing to demonstrate his notability in the special Wikipedia sense. Of the two book reviews, one might just do to establish notability, but on its own it is borderline, because it is about the book, not about the man. (The other book review link is broken). In order to be able to remove the first two tags, you need to find reliable sources which have written at length about Philip Bounds. The last tag will be addressed by finding more relevant articles to link to, in the way you have to marxism. --ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. I will do my best to address the issues that have been raised. I have a lot more material to add yet. It's just a slow process as I'm still learning the code. Thanks again. CaryB42 (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Need help creating a musician page

I'm working on creating a page for Joshua Winstead, an American songwriter and musician. He is the bass player of the band Metric and the lead singer and guitar player of the group Bang Lime. I have saved what I have so far on my user page. I was wondering if I could get some help in adding more information and references. Battoad (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Battoad, firstly you should work on articles in your sandbox or at a draft article such as Draft:Joshua Winstead rather than on your user page. As for the article itself you should try to look for sources which aren't interviews as these aren't usually considered reliable sources since we have to take the subject's word for it that what they're saying is true and important. Hope that helps a little. Samwalton9 (talk) 23:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Result of Review

Hi. I was notified that my article was reviewed. May I please know where to find results of the review, comments, etc? Stampchung (talk) 02:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Stampchung. As the note on your talk page says, your article Juno Sauler was accepted, and is now part of the encyclopedia. That's the favorable result, and normally, specific comments are only provided when a draft article is declined. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
It was accepted at Articles for Creation long ago. The review message is something different. [1] shows it was recently marked as reviewed by Wgolf . That only means Wgolf clicked a button as described at Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help#What is Mark as Reviewed and how does it work? There are no associated comments. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the link to the Page Curation page. I read through and it clarified several things for me. Best regards. Stampchung (talk) Stampchung (talk) 04:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

IP is showing

Hi,

I just made two edits to Talk:Carrier (documentary) without realizing that I wasn't logged in. I'm wondering if an admin can remove my IP address and replace it with my user name. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Marchjuly, please go to WP:AN or WP:ANI to find an administrator actively posting, and ask for help. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Cullen - Marchjuly (talk) 07:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Help - Wikipedia page for registered trademark magazine

Need help creating this. Wikipedia is simply over my head - being honest. Rogers Jason (talk) 06:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rogers Jason. I suggest reading Your first article, and also, The Primer. Please feel free to ask specific questions here. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

How to bypass my cache?.

Hi, I am using a script and I need to bypass my cache, How do I do it? (Please take note of these two facts: 1.I am using safari 2. I am using an iPad)Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 16:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Marzan (talk • contribs)

Hi Andrei. Please see Wikipedia:Bypass your cache#Safari. If these instructions do not make sense for iPad editing, with which I am not familiar, please advise. Someone who knows better than I do will hopefully then be along. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, but since iPads use touchscreens I don't know what the shift looks like in the digital keyboard, since it is different from a computer ::keyboard.(but I do have an arrow pointing up in it, but I tried to use it with the reload and nothing happened but it only reloaded. (I received a message and there was no orange bar))Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 16:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Marzan (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 February 2014‎ (UTC)
Hi, this appears to be a good guide to clearing your cache. Samwalton9 (talk) 23:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but I don't have something called 'clear cache' in my setting, so I need to look for another way.Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa (talk) 06:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I have fixed the problem, it actually appears that I entered the wrong code, thanks for all of you who have tried to help me the best you can. Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa (talk) 08:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

How to do it?

Hi, I want to add back the You have new messages notification bar. So I found this script here but I don't know how to add it, can someone please tel me how, thanks.--Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 09:07, 2 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Marzan (talk • contribs)

  1. Bring up User:Andrei Marzan/common.js in a new tab.
  2. copy 
    importScript('User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/orangeBar.js'); //Linkback: [[User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/orangeBar.js]]
  3. paste it into the first line
  4. hit save with an edit summary like "Created my javascript page with orangeBar" or something
  5. Bypass your cache. Most browsers use Ctrl+F5 but if that doesn't work try the instructions here
  6. Done.
meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 10:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but I don't have a subpage called User:Andrei Marzan/common.js. I also use safari, which means I just have to reload to bypass my cache.--Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 11:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Marzan (talk • contribs)
Can you please tell me how to create it? My mind tells me that I should create it by clicking the red link.--Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 11:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Marzan (talk • contribs)
Yes, click the redlink. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:21, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I should've made that clear... meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 11:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks.Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa 11:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Marzan (talk • contribs)
Hi, I have finally added back the so-called Orange bar of doom. Turns out that the code meteor_sandwich_yum gave me was wrong, but thanks anyway.-Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa (talk) 08:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

rejection of new article

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Spore (agricultural publication)

I sent the following message to User talk:Arthur goes shopping, who rejected the above article. I am not a novice and have made many contributions to Wikipedia.

I was very surprised that you rejected this article on the grounds that Spore is not notable. It has a circulation of 70,000, is very widely read and much appreciated in 79 ACP developing countries. As well, if this is not a notable publication then please tell me why the following magazines that appear in the Agricultural Magazine category are considered notable. I could just about accept the rejection of Spore if Wikipedia was being consistent but Spore is certainly more notable than any of the following and the article provides more information than is provided about any of the following.Hereford World, High Plains Journal, Small Farmer's Journal, Smallholder (magazine), Western Livestock Journal, The Western Producer. Thanks Roundtheworld (talk) 09:12, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I'd welcome further explanation as Wikipedia does not appear to be very consistent here. Thanks Roundtheworld (talk) 09:38, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing you need to do is to read Wikipedia's definition of notability. You need to include references that demonstrate that the subject of the article has received significant coverage in published reliable sources that are independent of the subject. There are further specific guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (periodicals). If you demonstrate compliance with Wikipedia's requirements, then your AFC draft will be accepted. One argument which will not be accepted is other stuff exists; if you have identified articles which should not exist in Wikipedia, you can nominate them for deletion through the appropriate part of the deletion process. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
The problem I face is that there is clear evidence that Spore receives a lot of coverage but that that coverage is not necessarily something that should go in an article. From a brief Google, just to give you some idea: http://teeal.org/fr/node/2234 describes Spore as “ prestigious” while http://aru.ac.ug/component/content/article/8-application-deadline/103-aru-in-spore-magazine.html refers to it as “famous”. http://businessinnovationfacility.org/group/agribusiness/forum/topics/spore-online-magazine-for-agriculture-and-rural-development?xg_source=activity “ says it is a great magazine for agricultural and rural development” It is featured by the World Meteorological Organization http://library.wmo.int/opac/index.php?lvl=publisher_see&id=297, and the International Institute for Water and Environmental Engineering http://documentation.2ie-edu.org/cdi2ie/opac_css/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=25340. ::Websites link to articles, e.g. http://ypard.net/resources/spore-magazine-issue-no-159-june-july-2012, http://news-agriculture.blogspot.it/2011/12/spore-magazine-issue-no-156-december.html and http://evergreenagriculture.net/growing-crops-under-canopy-spore-magazine. Organizations and media reproduce Spore articles, e.g. Africa Online http://www.afronline.org/?p=29228#more-29228 and http://www.belizepoultry.com/News/ViewNews/tabid/87/ArticleId/51/Poultry-Making-the-cut-SPORE-Magazine-No-164-June-July-2013.aspx although as the target audience is in developing countries these often still do not appear on the web. Another example is http://www.cityfarmer.info/2012/02/24/spore-magazine-urban-agriculture-city-farmers/ . Spore is listed on portals such as http://zunia.org/post/spore-the-bi-monthly-magazine-of-cta and http://tilz.tearfund.org/en/resources/publications/footsteps/footsteps_81-90/footsteps_89/resources/ A collection of back numbers is even maintained by a Ukrainian university http://collections.infocollections.org/ukedu/en/d/Jcta65e/5.html. So I think the above is a pretty convincing case for notability but it would be a very boring article that just listed a lot of web sites that reproduced articles. Thanks Roundtheworld (talk) 10:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Requests for features

About a month ago, I asked for administor uses, however, I was told, since I only joined in November 2013, I should wait a while. Considering I have been reverting vandalism and been focusing on HoshiNoKaabii2000 and TreCoolGuy, do you think I could get uses of Rollback or CheckUser? TDFan2006 (talk) 10:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi TDFan. I would think you would be fine to request rollback rights, but the requirements for check user are very strict and much more experience is needed, to the extent that they are required to be administrators before applying. Be wary about attempting to gain user rights for the sake of it though, they should be requested out of needing them, not as trophies. Samwalton9 (talk) 11:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

putting a photo in an article?

I contacted the author of a website about moths and butterflies when i was editing Hypercompe_ocularia. He has given me permission via email to put his photo of the moth on our page. I just need help doing that please. I see where it goes, just not sure how i download it from his webpage. Reefswaggie (talk) 14:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Woah there - it's a bit more complicated than that, I'm afraid. You can't upload a copyrighted image to Wikipedia under the claim that the copyright owner is okay with that. Firstly, the owner of the copyright (have you ascertained that the webmaster owns the copyright? He may not) needs to release the image for free reuse under a CC-BY-SA or similar licence - they can't release it only for use on Wikipedia. Secondly, we need proof of their permission, either by them posting a CC-BY-SA notice on their website, or by having them email the Wikipedia Response Team directly. I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but if you upload the photo based on the information you've just given, it will simply be deleted - image copyright is pretty complicated here. Have a look at Donating copyrighted materials and the Image use policy for more information. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Yunshui. I don't mind rain. That is what I needed to know. The webmaster is also the photographer. I will look into it some more. Wow if it is that hard it is amazing how many photos are on wikipedia already! Reefswaggie (talk) 14:49, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

There's a lot of free piccies out there... Incidentally, assuming that you can overcome the copyright issue and get the image suitably released (it shouldn't be a problem, it just requires a few extra steps), then you'd need to look at uploading the picture to Wikimedia Commons, rather than to Wikipedia - most of the images we have are actually located at Commons. Wikipedia can host certain types of non-free files, but an image of a moth would fail the fair use requirement for such files. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I can not find a page on Hans Helle anymore

Is there information available as to why I can not find the page on Hans Helle anymore?75.235.147.173 (talk) 15:03, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The only appearance of Hans Helle in the English Wikipedia is an a spam report - or do you mean Hans Hjelle ? - Not that that article is very long. Arjayay (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
There is an article on the Norwegian Wikipedia about a Hans Helle. Looking at the logs, I cannot see any indication that the English Wikipedia has, or has ever had, an article called Hans Helle or Hans Arnesen Helle. --LukeSurl t c 15:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Maps

Hi, how would I go about uploading/updating maps such as File:Fort Boyard States play.svg? Thanks, Matty.007 15:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

You have to edit the file on your own computer and upload a new version, or request somebody else to do it. See commons:Help:SVG, Wikipedia:SVG help and Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop for some options. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Matty.007 17:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Maybe you know this part but the example you mention is at Commons. If you click "description page there" or the Commons icon at the top right then you go to its Commons page which should have a link saying "Upload a new version of this file". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Matty, its extremely simple. Go to this page, save the file with .svg extension → Download Inkscape → Open the file with it → Select embed → Use the fill bucket [I think thats what you want to do] to highlight the specific regions. After you've done save it as Inkscape SVG. Use the upload new version. Done. Soham 15:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Infobox

Hi. I've been trying to add additional details in the infobox section of Krishan Kumar Modi's article. But even after adding the necessary details, the additional text isn't reflected in the article. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Can anyone help out?

DisojaK Disojak (talk) 06:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I guess that your question has been answered at WP:HD#editing an infobox? It is normally better not to ask the same question in multiple places, as that can result in editors wasting time answering questions which have already been answered elsewhere. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi David. Thanks for your message. But I didn't feel my query had been answered satisfactorily. Are there any customisable infobox templates available?

DisojaKDisojak (talk) 11:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

If you have further questions arising from the replies which you received at WP:HD#editing an infobox, that is the place to ask them. If you were to start trying to continue a discussion here, the conversation would get split and confused. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Inadequate evidence on subject's notability

My article about my company has been declined because of "inadequate evidence on subject's notability". Since my company is relatively new so I'm afraid there's no secondary sources I can cite. Can you provide some guidance on how to resolve this?184.77.104.243 (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

If no secondary sources exist, no article should exist as the company does not meet the WP:NCORP guidelines as to which companies Wikipedia has articles about. This is normal for new companies. Wikipedia does not aim to be a directory of every company that exists. --LukeSurl t c 17:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

USER BOX

I have created this userbox. Please have a look on it and inform me if it is valid or not. And how can I avail it for other users.You can improve it.

 This user is not an administrator but works like one

Rudra john cena (talk) 07:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

One problem of the user box is that the second "administrator" is linked, and thus blue. The background is also blue, so the word is totally invisible. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
You are, of course, free to put that user box onto your user pages, but it does not make any sense to me. What does it mean "to work as an administrator"? If you are not an administrator, then you can't work most of the job administrators can. And, yes, it should be "an administrator", not "a administrator". Vanjagenije (talk) 17:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't see the point to this userbox. What is it to "work like an administrator"? Administrators are just regular users like you or I, they just have established a higher level of trust in the community and are given a few extra tools to assist with management of the wiki. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 19:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Some users don't have enough experiences or number of edits. But they try to help new users like an experienced user like an administrator. This user box can be used by them. Have you understand Technical 13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudra john cena (talk • contribs) 20:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Please don't use that, Rudra john cena: in my view you are just creating confusion. Many editors are experienced and try to help people without being administrators: I am one such. It seems to me you have a personal view of what "act like an administrator" means, which is fine, But since that doesn't correspond to what an administrator on Wikipedia does, I think it may confuse people if you use it in a userbox like that. --ColinFine (talk) 20:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok. Fine. thankyou all of you for your contributions. And Titodutta thankyou bondhu. Rudra john cena (talk) 20:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 This user acts like an administrator on the English Wikipedia but really isn't one.

But I'm guessing it's humorous. --Jakob (talk) 20:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

  • There might be something like "This user is not an administrator but sometimes seeing his excellent works and persuasive arguments you may confuse him as an admin". I know many editors like BlueMoonset, Mandarax who deserve it. More a barnstar topic? --Tito☸Dutta 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
@Titodutta I think it is a good idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudra john cena (talk • contribs) 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing

Hi, I just made my first page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Presley ), and I have tried to include as many references as possible. Have I been referencing things correctly? Thank you! 22:22, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Dan anj (talk)

@Dan anj: Hey Dan. Welcome. So I went through the article and I've fixed a few issues. The reference template parameter |first= which you were using is for an author's first name (and is paired with |last=). You wouldn't normally use it as you were. When you cite to a website like Allmusic, you should indicate that with the |publisher= parameter (which I've done for all). I've also combined one reference you cited twice. See Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once.

The bigger issue is that most of citations are to Discogs, which is a site with user-generated content, "a community-built database" and therefore there is no way to verify that its entries are correct. What I suggest is that you start building the article up with sources from more reliable sources, which you might find through a search like Google Books. Unfortunately, Google News (archive) used to be a very valuable resources to find newspaper articles, but it's almost useless now and will be for at least a few more months while the supposed rebuilding of it takes place. Anyway, try to find more reliable sources to work from like (non-vanity published) books, newspaper articles and magazine write ups. Note that reliable sources do not need to be online to be used. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. On the technical side, you are doing the references correctly. However, as the messages at the top show, there seem to be some issues with the sources you are referencing. They should be reliable and in most cases independent of the subject. You can click the links in the messages for more information. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 23:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Relationship between learning and talent development in the literature

Are the two concepts( learning and talent dvelopment) treated as the same by literature or differently. And their relationship.86.30.149.197 (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

  Please do your own homework.
Welcome to Wikipedia. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our aim here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. - Arjayay (talk) 13:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
If you need more help on this question, you can try asking for help at the reference desk. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 23:46, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

New Article

I submitted a new article for submission about 4 weeks ago. It is still to be reviewed. Do you know how long before a new article is reviewed? It is not especially long or complicated and i have put several references in it.

Thanks Ashley Columbus (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Halton Lea Gate, it isn't on the list of Pending AfC submissions, so you need to click on the green submit button. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you David Biddulph (talk). I did submit it and notice that at the end of the article it states:

Categories: Draft AfC submission AfC submissions by date/22 January 2014 AfC submissions by date/05 January 2014 This is the link to the article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Halton Lea Gate

What and where is the green submit button? I thought I had submitted it, having re read the rather confusing message at the head of the page? (Note: the submission-received box appears at the bottom of the page at first. If it's there, your draft has been submitted correctly, even if this message is still shown).

Ashley Columbus (talk) 22:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

In that box at the top of the page, the green button is at the bottom of that box, and says "Submit your draft when you are ready for it to be reviewed!". You don't yet have a submission-received box at the bottom of the page, and your article is in Category:Draft AfC submissions, not Category:Pending AfC submissions. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:29, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining that. It still seems confusing but I have followed your instructions and hope it works this time. I do think the wording on the boxes of instruction could be clearer/simpler?

Ashley Columbus (talk) 23:46, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Finding a WikiProject

I have seen articles in the news lately about how Wikipedia needs more women editors and more articles about women.

I became an editor recently so that I could help with this, but I can't find an organized WikiProject dealing with this.

Is there a way to search for a WikiProject without knowing exactly what it's called?

Eveross1 (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Navigating wikiprojects is not easy. There are a couple of wikiprojects in these areas, including Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias, Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies, Wikipedia:WikiProject Feminism, Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention, Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women scientists. I'll let each of them describe themsleves. Alternatively, find a page you wish you'd written and look on the talk page to see which wikiprojects it's in. Hope this helps. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Administrator assistance needed

I need the assistance of an administrator to deal with a trouble some user causing many issues. He has gone around Wikipedia pushing his POV, lying, using original research, forum shopping, etc. I posted this originally at the Administrator Noticeboard but sadly it has been neglected. Is their someone willing to help me? (AcidSnow talk) 00:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi AcidSnow, this is not really the place for your request but I have reviewed your posts at ANI and there are still being dealt with so I suggest you wait for the issue to be resolved there. Best wishes Flat Out let's discuss it 00:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, it's been 4 days since I posted and no one has really helped me. I have tried to solve it with the user before, yet he ignores my messages and stales the discussion. Thank you anyways, AcidSnow (talk) 00:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Infobox

I am not able to add an infobox to my article. Kindly guideShobi Paulraj (talk) 10:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

You need to use Template:Infobox person rather than the generic Template:Infobox. --LukeSurl t c 10:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
But more important than the infobox is that you need to read WP:Your first article, WP:notability, WP:BIO, WP:Autobiography, and WP:conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

List of books

I notice that several bibliography pages for living people list their published works. I had edited that in a site I was working on and someone came and removed it all. I didn't have any links back to where the books were listed as I understand that to mean promotional. Can you list books and if so, what is the proper way to do that and put it back on the page without it getting removed again? 208.104.28.202 (talk) 17:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Can you, please, be more specific? What is the article you talk about? Vanjagenije (talk) 12:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Template RefImprove

Hi,

I have a question about using Refimprove. I am working on improving Kanji kentei. The article was marked with an additional citations needed for verification  template in June 2008. Even though it has been almost 6 years, the article is still lacking sufficient citations. So, I am wondering if I can do the following:

  1. Change the date in the template to February 2014 2008; or
  2. Add an Expand Japanese template to the article.

I am not sure about #1 simply because leaving the date as is indicates how long this has been a problem. On there other hand, if there is some kind of date-related indexing involved with pages such as these, then a page taggedtemplated 6 years ago might have been long since archived.

To me, #2 seems harmless, especially since there areexists quite a number of Japanese sources related to this test that could be used and good English sources may be difficult to find. However, I've never added this kind of template before so not sure of the ramifications, if there are any. Expand Japanese may also bring this page to the attention of editors interested in this type of thing, and, thus, lead to the page being improved.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. As you suggest, the date in the template shouldn't be changed, this shows how long the problem has existed. As for #2, the text of the template is "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in the Japanese Wikipedia." Now the corresponding article is ja:日本漢字能力検定. If you can read Japanese (I can't) and can see that this is a superior article, then please do add the template. --LukeSurl t c 09:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply LukeSurl. I am familiar with that Japanese Wikipedia article and can translate what is needed myself. I just wasn't sure if it was OK for non-admins to add such templates or if it was OK to cite lots of foreign language sources for an English Wikipedia article. - Marchjuly (talk) 11:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Yes, non-admins can add and remove templates. Generally the only admin-only roles are the things that only admins can (according to the restrictions of the software) technically perform, and closing discussions regarding such actions.
As per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources, non-English sources are perfectly acceptable, though if equivalent English-language sources exist these are preferred. --LukeSurl t c 11:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Marchjuly. If you want to translate the article from Japanese Wikipedia, be sure to follow this policy: Wikipedia:Translation. If you translate the article, you have to attribute its content to its original writers (those from Japanese Wikipedia). Without attributing content to its creators, you would make a copyrights violation. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to all you replied for your suggestions. - Marchjuly (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Help with editing. New to the editor community.

Hi all, I just joined Wiki community of editors and as a task was given to edit this page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washingtonians . But, I couldn't find anything more to do on this page. Can anyone help me with this? Am I missing something that I should be careful next time? Priyankp87 (talk) 12:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Priyankp87. I know the feeling - many's the time I've looked through an article and thought, "well, not much left for me to do here..." However, unless the page is a Featured Article, there's almost certainly something you can do to make it better (and even Featured Articles can be improved!). Why not try rating the page against the criteria for Good Articles, and see where it falls down? That might give you some ideas for fixes that need to be made. You could also look at the sourcing - that definitely needs work. Or you could look at the relevant section of the Manual of Style, and see how closely you can get the article to adhere to Wikipedia's ideal. Trust me; there's going to be something that needs doing! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:49, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Yunshui. I will follow the links you mentioned. But, as a live example, can you see the page I mentioned and point me to something that can be changed? ( I have done a few edits in other pages, but for this particular page, I couldn't find anything. Maybe the content is too less ???)134.134.137.75 (talk) 16:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
There are many things obvious in that article. It has only one reference, and the largest section, plus the lede and another section, are totally devoid of sources. In Yunshui's reply above he did already tell you "You could also look at the sourcing - that definitely needs work", and he gave you advice on where you could look for further guidance. One section has a maintenance tag {{unclear|section|date=August 2013}}, so you might also try to address that. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

References for my page.

Hey everyone! I am working on a page for a Boy Scout Camp in Oregon and I wanted to ask for help with the references. There is a first person book written by a guy named Kenneth Wells who worked at Camp Meriwether when it was first built called "An Early History of Camp Meriwether" and it addresses everything talked about in this article I am working on. There are a few Boy Scout Camps on Wikipedia and the references they use do not seem to be that strong. For an organization (the boy Scouts) that typically does not keep great records of individual camps, how can I keep this page from being deleted. (It is one of only camps with its own history book about it and it is one of the oldest.

Thanks! Here is the link (the page is in its VERY preliminary stages of development: Camp Meriwether (Oregon)

Jacob Mehringer (talk) 21:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to use the book as a reference, use {{cite book}} with relevant parameters. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Jacob Mehringer. I am afraid the only way to keep the page from being deleted is to find reliable independent sources that have written about it: if such sources don't exist, then Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject. The book might possibly be one such source, but since it appears to have been published by an organ of the BSA, it is not independent (and possibly not to be considered reliable), so it cannot be used to establish the subject's notability. In any case, one such reference is not sufficient. I also observe that you have a lot of headings, and even if you manage to find the references to establish that the camp as a whole is notable, I would be very surprised if you could find sources for all that detail, so most of the headings should go.
My advice to you is to look for books or major newspapers etc that have written about the camp; and if you can't find any, give up on the article. (Note that whether or not the BSA keeps records is entirely irrelevant, except insofar as somebody independent might have used such records in a published work). I have reformatted your link to the article as a wikilink. --ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Can I suggest moving the page to Draft:Camp Meriwether (Oregon) while you are working on it? At the moment the text is in the main body of the encylopedia and has the status of a "full" article. It is also liable to be deleted if a New Pages Patroller does not look favourably upon it. --LukeSurl t c 21:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you all! I agree on the headings. I have found another council camp and will model after them (Camp Pioneer (Oregon)) As for moving the page to the draft, I am actually not entirely sure how to do that. Thank you all for your help. It is much appreciated.Jacob Mehringer (talk) 21:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
I can offer to help if needed. --evrik (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Jacob--I have moved it for you. I am impressed with the research you have done, but it does lack references that show notability. Might I suggest searching The Oregonian and other Oregon newspapers for stories on the camp? That will show notability. Also, you might wish to check the GNIS, as sometimes camp names have been entered in the government database of names. If that is the case, you could show notability by referencing that. On the subject of referencing, I do see two problems with the references on your article. firstly, we never reference back to Wikipedia. Also, seldom is a reference to YouTube considered useful and frequently, they can be copyright problems. Good luck. The above link should now be blue, and there is a redirect in place for the article name. John from Idegon (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
I moved it to keep it consistent with the other camp pages. --evrik (talk) 22:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
evrik, Thank you very much! I would love any help you are willing to offer! Thanks a ton!

Jacob Mehringer (talk) 03:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The draft seems to have been moved back into the main space (this seems to be an accident as it went via the Wikipedia: space). --LukeSurl t c 10:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how to move it back into draft space. Also, I have no idea how to upload a photograph to the information box. It is of the Camp Meriwether Crest. and the best one I found was Mericrest.gif online. But if you look up Camp Meriwether it is the best looking most hard edged one there. Thanks again for all of your help everyone. The edits looks awesome. Jacob Mehringer (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Headings- changing user: name to article page

I just started my page about 10 day ago. Most of the info is there but when I google wikipedia USER: JEFF SCHNEIDER is the heading not JEFF SCHNEIDER

Thanks for your thoughts68.173.28.88 (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I assume you are Jwsstudios? You have created the page User:Jeff Schneider, a user page which seems to be a draft article about a photographer. Our article Jeff Schneider is currently a page about a baseball player who coincidentally has the same name. The content at User:Jeff Schneider could be moved to a full article and we could work out a way of accommodating both (perhaps by creating a disambiguation page).
Firstly though, let's get the draft reviewed. Once you are happy with the article, add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. This will place it in the queue for review. An experienced user will have a look at it, and then decide whether or not to make it a full article (if they don't, they will give some reasoning which you can hopefully use to improve the draft). --LukeSurl t c 21:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Noting that you changed your username from "Jeff Schneider" to "jwsstudios" a few days ago, I guess you are the subject of the article you are trying to create. This means you are trying to create an autobiography. This is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia, for reasons discussed at Wikipedia:Autobiography. --LukeSurl t c 21:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Finding questions in archive

I asked a question in the Teahouse, but because of personal injury and recovery, etc. I have been away from many of my websites for a while. My question has been archived and I can't seem to find it. Please, would you tell me how to find it. I can neither remember the title or the date of my question. I think it was in regard to fixing errors on Wikipedia pages, specifically Waterbury, Connecticut or Norwest Bank. Thank you very much David Johnson- MR2David (talk) 22:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, David and welcome to The Teahouse. Your question may be here. I don't know where the box is located for you, but for me it is located blow the table of contents in the upper right corner. The box says "Question archived?" where you type, and "Go find it!" on the button your click on. I found it by typing your username in the box.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I want to put photo of me on my wikipedia page

Want to put photo on pleaseBalvenie Street (talk) 23:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Balvenie! You can upload a photograph of yourself here [2]. Be sure you took the photograph yourself, otherwise whoever took the photo must do it. Be sure you are logged in, or it won't work. Give the photo a good title, and in the description clearly state that you will be using this photo as a Wikipedia user picture. "Original source" should say {{own}} and under "Permission" type {{PD-self}}. Those two templates should stop any upload problems. For "Category", type "User page images", hit "upload" and it should be ok. If my explanation not good enough, try this official one [3]. Do be sure to use those odd templates and category for your image!! Please don't hesitate to contact me for help! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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