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I need some help

Hi! I made a page a while ago, Semyon Der-Arguchintsev. I was recently updating it a while ago and noticed it doesn't have a points/goals chart. I was looking on some pages to see how to make them and it looked like NASA to me. Can someone make one, as I feel it would mighty improve the page. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nolanisntfunny, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, in worrying about a points/goals chart, you are like somebody worrying about painting a house when the house is about to fall down because it has no foundations. The article at the moment does nothing to establish that Der-Arguchintsev meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. I don't know enough Ice hockey to know whether he meets any of the specific criteria on that page I linked to; but even if he does, the references need to be improved; and if he doesn't the references to nothing to establish his notability by the general criteria. The first reference is just a summary of data, the other two don't even mention him. We need places where independent people have written text about him, and been published in reliable sources. Please see CITE. --ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Semyon has played in the KHL, the top league in Russia, which is a fully professional men’s league, which means he is in fact notable. Just sayin. I also will try to find some more information on him. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

New users are not allowed to create article?

I recently read and created an article about a youngest entrepreneur who rose to fame in such a little age and represented India on various international platform but the article got moved to draft by a user and they asking me to submit a draft. Wanna ask if new users are not allowed to create pages?--ShaiksKings (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC) ShaiksKings (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

ShaiksKings, New users are required to make a draft and get it approved. Please read the policy on paid editing, as you appear to have a conflict of interest. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 15:47, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Moonythedwarf No, i have not been paid for this. I think the guy who moved it to draft should have at least confirmed. Anyways, I am gonna be submitting a draft if i can not create pages directly.

Getting a page published help!

Hi, I've been trying to get a page approved. It got rejected once and I resubmitted it 26 days ago but it's still in the waiting queue I hope? I've never edited on Wikipedia before so don't know if I've done things correctly, just wanted confirmation it was going to be reviewed by an editor at some stage. This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Linda_Merrick 146.199.96.253 (talk) 12:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I've submitted your draft for review. All there is now to do is be patient. Right now, there are currently over 3,000 pages waiting to be reviewed and published, and they aren't taken in any order. It can take sometime between only a couple of days to 3 months. While you wait, why not edit other pages that spark your interests? Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, why not create an account? It's hard to get credit for what you do by being an IP user. You'll get your own personal user page (click on my username for an example) and talk page, where you can be contacted. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Cleaned Draft:Linda Merrick up a bit. Refs need to be put in proper format, and her education content needs references. David notMD (talk) 16:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Hello can you please make a create button on the top right cornor thanks it is hard to get because sometimes it dissapears. NoirVozeeWolf (talk) 16:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I added a template for your draft. When you're ready to submit it, hit the blue button. Le Panini ^Talk 16:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Deleting a redirect

Georgina Rodriguez is presently a spanish model, who has received sufficient media coverage since her relationship with Cristiano Ronaldo. But her Wikipedia page redirects into Ronaldo's. I feel that she deserves a Wikipedia article of her own. Could anyone please remove the redirect, so that I could create the article --Atlantis77177 (talk) 16:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177: Georgina Rodriguez does not exist currently, and does not to appear to exist. Even if it were, it would not be a problem for you because the reviewer of Draft:Georgina Rodriguez would take care of that during accepting. Note that the draft is currrently not ready for getting promoted to an article, see for example WP:BLP. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177 and Victor Schmidt: Georgina Rodríguez (with the accented í) redirects to Cristiano Ronaldo#Personal life, but if the draft is accepted, then at that time, it can be changed or overridden. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Babel boxes

How do I put babel boxes on my user page? Also, what are gadgets and which ones could I add to my account? Whycobblehere? (talk) 17:52, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Whycobblehere?, and welcome to the Teahouse. Babel boxes are one kind of Userbox: see Userboxes. You can see what gadgets are available, and enable them from "Preferences" at the top of the page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine! Whycobblehere? (talk) 18:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft assistance requested

Dear Friends, hope you guys are well. I am working on a draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Janith_Wickramage i have made the requested edits to it (references citations) Im new to wikipedia

Could anyone be kind enough to go through my draft and see if it needs improving or if its not up to Wiki standard

Thank You,

Best of health Wtlipnikki (talk) 18:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Wtlipnikki: I started trying to clean it up for you, but there are no sources that suggest this is a notable actor. He needs to have been in multiple notable roles, rather than as supporting cast member. And there's no biographical coverage of him, only passing mentions. He won't pass WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG in general. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Help with a new article for submission - citations? Anything else?

Hi, I am hoping to get my first article ever approved for inclusion on Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:M._Jenea_Sanchez It was rejected once, and I cannot tell if it was just because of citations. I revised the text to include a citation for almost every sentence, but I don't know if that's enough!

If someone could take a look and advise before I risk getting rejected again, that would be wonderful. Thanks for your help and guidance!

PS: I was more active on Wikipedia when I was in graduate school the first time (over 10 years ago), and now am active (to a degree) again but have changed areas of specialization. I am getting a master's in art history with a focus on women activism and print history. Thanks! BFDhD (talk) 19:45, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@BFDhD: - I reviewed the article and the sourcing is insufficient to demonstrate notability for Wikipedia purposes. You need more media profiles, not just directory listings. The Catapult piece is good, but there needs to be more. See WP:NARTIST or WP:GNG. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: - Thank you! This is helpful. Much obliged! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BFDhD (talk • contribs) 20:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Bloomington, WI; non-notable, and a possible AfD

Hi everyone, I came across this page: Bloomington, Wisconsin and discovered the section about notable people has been removed several times by several IP users, and reverted by multiple users in an effort to restore the page. Possible edit war. That particular section has only one notable person, Christy Oates; it has a source, but it is not reliable and it leads to Oates' Smithsonian profile page. The problem is that the "notable person" does not appear to be notable anyway, but actually has a wiki article. The article appears to only have primary sources, not at all reliable, and one interview. It would seem that she's not notable enough to be included in the Bloomington, WI article, and the Oates article may be a good candidate for AfD. What do you suggest? Coryphantha Talk 03:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Coryphantha. If a person has a Wikipedia biography, then they are presumed to be notable, and therefore eligible to be included in lists of notable people. Of course, if consensus is to delete the article, then that presumption no longer exists. So, if you truly believe that she is not notable, you can nominate the article for AfD. But I want to point out that the article has 11 references, most of which appear to be solid, and that the Smithsonian has at least two of her works in its collections. My guess is that the article would probably be kept in an AfD debate, but that is just my opinion as one experienced editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328 Okay, thank you. I wasn't sure about the sources, much appreciated. Coryphantha Talk 23:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible and acceptable to replace an existing article?

Is it possible and acceptable to replace an existing article with one written about the same person (deceased and distinguished poet, in this case) which is far more extensive? For example, the replacement will includes full biography of that poet, full list of his publications, full list of awards he received, references, links, Hyperlinks etc. - all are missing in the existing article?

If so - how best to carry out such replacement?

Your advice will be appreciated Merchav1 (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Merchav1: If the existing article is a minimal stub with only a sentence or two, it might be possible – otherwise, it would almost certainly be inappropriate to do so. If you are editing on the person's behalf, as indicated by your previous question, you should not make any edits to the article, but instead use the article talk page to suggest edits. I'll post some information on your user talk page about what you should think about if you have a conflict of interest, and what you are required to do if you receive any payment for your edits. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 19:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Merchav1. Unless that "full biography" has been written by somebody unconnected with the subject, and is entirely based on published works by people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information by or on behalf of the subject, don't even think about it. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

No hyperlinks in body of article. Model after existing articles about poets. Select list of publications and awards preferred, this is not a regurgitation of his CV. And stop being coy - what is the name of the existing article? David notMD (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there!

Hello there! Just checking in 22:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Snowballthedog (talk) 22:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question? See above for examples of what Teahouse is about? And your addition to Cloudwatt was reverted, because that is not how references are created. I left a basic intro on your Talk page with some links that may help. David notMD (talk) 23:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Help to install an edit of an English entry of Wikipedia

Can you recommend a person who will be sent an edit (7 pages long) in English of an existing Wikipedia entry (of one page) for a renowned poet from Israel? All text, including the poet's photograph, is ready. Fees will be paid. Merchav1 (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Merchav1 Paid editing services are not offered or recommended on Wikipedia. If you want to pay someone to edit for you, you will need to find them on your own. When you do, they will need to make the required paid editing declaration and state that you are paying them. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Merchav1: I'd second what 331dot said above, and add that paying anyone for creating ('installing') an article in Wikipedia doesn't guarantee anything you could expect from any paid service. Among others,

it will not prevent any future modification of the provided contents, either expanding or shrinking, improving or spoiling it (because Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, which can be edited by anyone – see Wikipedia:Editing policy);
it will not provide you any control over reusing the contents outside Wikipedia (as Wikipedia is free also in that its contents is available to everybody – see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content);
it will not release you (and a person paid by you) from
- providing appropriate WP:SOURCES to make the article verifiable (see WP:VER) and prove the subject's WP:Notability (see specific criteria for notability of people at WP:BIO, and especially WP:BLP for living people, if applicable), and
- keeping the contents in objective tone (see WP:NPOV, WP:PROMO, WP:TONE);
it will not prevent deleting the contents, whole or in part, if it appears to violate some Wikipedia policies not mentioned above (see the frame at the bottom of Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, part 'Content').

So, generally: yes, you can pay someone to create the article here. If you do, however, remember you will pay just for a technical act of transferring data from your computer to Wikipedia system (and, possibly, some editing according to Wikipedia guidelines on article structure, layout, linking etc.).
You will not buy any kind of 'security' of the article to be created. --CiaPan (talk) 13:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Lastly, is the photographer going to add the photograph to Wikipedia Commons, and in doing so, renounce all copyrights? The photographed poet does not hold the copyright to the photograph. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, when uploading photographs they took to Wikimedia Commons, photographers may if they wish renounce all rights to these. But doing so isn't required. Far more frequently, photographers attach a particular kind of copyleft license to what they upload. What's involved here needs to be clearly understood; it's explained in "Licensing". -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I overstepped my knowledge there. David notMD (talk) 23:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Turkey

where is Turkey Afhi86d3 b (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Possibly in the freezer, given the proximity to Thanksgiving. If you're on about the country, you can read the article here. In future please ask at the Ref desk, as the Teahouse is generally for questions about editing Wikipedia. Zindor (talk) 00:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

If your buying turkey for Thanksgiving, here's a pro tip! Wait until after thanksgiving to buy it, and then it'll be on sale. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 02:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

If you are buying your turkey in Turkey, you should research the applicable regulations on importation of agricultural products, as well as any quarantine rules, (unless you are planning to feast in Turkey). Robert McClenon (talk) 04:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

But don't eat Turkey Tayac, the herb doctor. He's a human, and also dead, so it wont be yummy. Moral of our story, eat turkey, in Turkey if you want to. Don't eat turkey, however. And know the economy of turkey before you eat the turkey in Turkey. I like turkey. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I try to skip the turkey, and go for extra stuffing, then take the fast route to pie.Coryphantha Talk 00:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jerry B. Brown

This Wikipedia page was posted about me by another person. The reviewer declined the submission and posted a list of items that need to be addressed. As I am most familiar with the content is is appropriate for me to edit my own profile page? Or should I leave that to other to do? Aranthama (talk) 11:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Aranthama Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you refer to is a draft; it is less problematic for an article subject to edit a draft about themselves, but it is still discouraged per the autobiography policy. If you meet the criteria for a Wikipedia article, it is best to let independent editors write it. If there are changes you would like to make to the draft, you may do so as long as they are well sourced to independent reliable sources. If the draft is accepted and formally placed in the encyclopedia, you should avoid directly editing it in most cases, but you may make formal edit requests.

I might suggest that you read about a Wikipedia article is not necessarily a good thing for any person. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jerry, thanks for taking the time to ask about the propriety of how to proceed. If you have concerns about the content, you can note them at the associated meta-page Draft talk:Jerry B. Brown. The talk page acts as a visible record of the content-development process: any interested reader can flip from the article to its talk page and see that you raised issues which were or weren't subsequently addressed. If the article gets promoted from draft to main space, the talk page will move with it. (However, if the article is deleted then the talk page is also deleted.) If you do decide to edit the draft directly, then for transparency, leave a note on Talk disclosing that you have done so (your edits are recorded in the page history, but the fact that you are the subject is not obvious there). Normally you would let others make the changes if they are still active on the article, but Drafts can be deleted after 6 months of inactivity. I've added a note there for the record, pointing back to this discussion. Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:17 Fri 06, AEST) 21:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Arantham I'm the reviewer who left comments. In this particular instance, the article is so unsatisfactory that it will need considerable rewriting in any case. Beyond the technical errors, the most serious problem is that it's advocacy for the subject's views. But I'm a little puzzled by the authorship. The author is "Lauren at World Business Academy", who says she is writing it for payment by the Academy. The article says you are a director and fellow of that academy, and the website of the academy lists you both as a Fellow and as a Member of the Board.

In this unusual situation--(I cannot recall anything similar in my 14 years here), the content the subjectmight write is not substantially more coi than what is already in place, so, Aranthema, please edit the page as you see fit. When ready, let me know on my talk page, and I will look at it. There is no guarantee I, or any other reviewer, will accept it, and I remind you, that even it is accepted, anyone may challenge the article at AfD, and the consensus of the community decides. You've been given different advice above; you do have the right to edit the page directly in any case, even according to those who advise you not to. This is Wikipedia , and the basic policy here is WP:IAR. DGG ( talk ) 01:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Submitting an draft for review

Hi everyone, I have recently submitted an article for review. At the bottom it says I should move it into the "draft space" but when I tried to get more clarity I read somewhere that an experienced reviewer will do this for me?

Any help greatly appreciated. Apologies if this question has come up a million times before Caroly1970 (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Caroly1970, and welcome to the Teahouse! As it says in the template at the bottom of Draft:Charles Daniel Lane, "Review waiting, please be patient." The move to draft have been done by someone else. So that's what's going on. You may also want to take a look where it says "Improving your odds of a speedy review". However.

Your draft lacks inline citations. A rule of thumb for a WP:BLP is "if you can't cite it, don't add it" and that goes double for stuff like "Achievements". WP:NACADEMIC may apply, but it seems like most of your refs are his own publications, not the ones demanded at WP:BASIC. Language like "Leaving school at 16, but nonetheless at the zenith, in terms of his intellect," reads like WP:PUFFERY.

So all in all, your draft needs more work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your reply. I will try and make the adjustments you mentioned - I never realised what a complicated process this was so I applaud you for understanding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caroly1970 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Caroly1970, I've made some improvements to the draft, including some recommended above by other editors. You will need to remove all the citations of his own papers, or maybe keep a few of them, but listed as "publications" rather than cited. You have a lot of information about his life and work – you will need to cite published sources for all this information. This last is always the most difficult part of getting an article accepted here. Maproom (talk) 18:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Since Lane is highly notable, and since the article would need major improvements as correctly outlined above, as a frequent reviewer of articles in this field, I decided it would be simpler if I improved and accepted it--as I sometimes do for people in the field. (I wish I were able to do this more often). There are still some points indicated where citations are needed and might not be readily available. DGG ( talk ) 02:14, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Page for artist

How can I create a page for an artist and not have it shut down? Dzmpa (talk) 14:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Dzmpa, Wikipedia does not have "pages for" people, it has neutrally written articles about people. Creating a new article is difficult. The most difficult part is to establish that the subject is notable, by citing several reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. Maproom (talk) 14:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Dzmpa Please read: WP:What Wikipedia Is Not first. Then study the policies on WP:Notability, with a special attention to WP:BIO, WP:BLP and WP:ARTIST. Next learn how Wikipedia requires WP:Verifiability. Then see how we need care about our WP:Neutral Point Of View and WP:TONE. Finally please visit WP:Your First Article and take the Wikipedia:Adventure. Then you'll be ready to start thinking about creating a new article.
Yes, this is not a joke. Creating a proper article from scratch is one of the most difficult tasks on Wikipedia. I am really wishing you success, but I honestly warn you it's close to impossible for a beginner. --CiaPan (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

therefore, Dzmpa , the positive advice which is most appropriate, is for you to start reading some parts of the pages indicated abovve, and improve existing articles in your field. The place to start is finding and adding additional references. DGG ( talk ) 02:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

change font size for editing

I'd like to increase the font size when editing. I tried to follow the instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editing/Projects/Font_size_in_the_editing_window#Choose_your_own_font_size, creating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karlberry/common.css (but with a larger number). I tried to bypass the browser cache (reload, log out/log in, restart browser). But the css has no apparent effect. Any help appreciated. Thanks!

(Sorry, I know I should have written wiki links for the above instead of urls, but, well, it wasn't obvious to me what they were.) karl (talk) 14:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

The simplest way is usually to enlarge the text in your browser. DGG ( talk ) 02:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit Query

I submitted an edit request for the Minecraft page and I was wondering where I would receive the answer for it. Will it be in my Wikipedia account inbox or do I need to check anywhere else?

Sincerely SenatorLEVI SenatorLEVI (talk) 02:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

SenatorLEVI It's already been answered; please monitor the talk page you posted the request to. 331dot (talk) 02:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

331dotSorry, my mistake.(SenatorLEVI (talk) 02:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC))

Reference name

I want to expand and reference an article Mace (spray), and I have a question about the naming of a ref (citation). The ref name is ":0"; is this some convention I don't know? I would like more useful reference names, like an abbreviation of the source, author, or type of article, for examples. I looked at other articles and these seem common. I searched for something "WP:" to explain this, but was unable to find an explanation.

I can read the answer here. Thank you to anyone who can explain this.Matternotdissent (talk) 13:20, 4 November 2020

It's a convention that I don't understand either. (I presume that it's the result of some semi-automated module.) I think it's rather horrible and never use it. If I'm working on an article that uses it, and if it annoys me, I change it. Use whatever names you want, but be sure to preview before saving, in order to check that nothing has gone wrong. -- Hoary (talk) 13:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I doubt it's a convention. I suspect it was chosen by a bot that was tidying up the referencing. If you were to replace it, consistently throughout the article, by a more informative name, that would be helpful. Maproom (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Matternotdissent and Hoary: It's one of the referencing help tools or bots that sets the reference names to things like :0, :1,:2, if there are duplicate references. I would recommend using something much clearer i.e. calling the ref Wired, as that's the name of source being used. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the answers and insights. I'm changing it! I'll be careful, and I am trying to use previews. Yes, "Wired" is easy and also makes it obvious for other editors. I prefer author names, but I should think about subsequent editors. Matternotdissent (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Author names are fine too, anything is easier than :0. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

For science journal references I use first author's last name and year (because said author may have published several journal articles on the same topic). P.S. The quotation marks are not required. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

For science journals I plan to use NameYear convention. Thanks for the info on quotation marks as Wikipedia pages that explain templates are useless. I like the quote marks, though, because I edit on my cell phone, and they're visually easy to spot.Matternotdissent (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The quote marks are required if the name contains spaces or punctuation, I think, but not if it's a single "word". --ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Correctness is cumulative. David notMD (talk) 00:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: There was, at one point, a bug that name="Foo" was interpreted as different from name=Foo under some circumstances. I don't recall the details or whether it was fixed. I believe it is recommended to always quote HTML attribute values. It's certainly more future-proof (i.e. protects against someone changing the value to something with a space in it and forgetting to add the quotes. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Other barnstars

Hello, I have a question about the wikilove extension. I see people delivering barnstars, and some of them seem odd, because they are not accessible in the WikiLove menu, (eg: COVID-19 barnstar), how do you obtain them? --a gd fan (talk) 14:15 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Barnstars shows barnstars that can be given to other editors. It's bad form to award yourself barnstars, or to dole out lots of barnstars to other editors for their modest or less than modest contributions. David notMD (talk) 14:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I wasn't going to do anything, I was only confused, and I also don't feel important if I award myself. --a gd fan (talk) 14:45, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Yep, It's like "I have so many barnstars...but at what cost?" Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 15:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Let me ask the question from a reviewer's standpoint, in three parts. First, there is a pull-down menu of barnstars. Where is a gallery of additional barnstars, and can they be awarded by anyone if they know where the gallery is? Second, how can one request that another barnstar be added to the pulldown? Third, how are barnstars designed? Is it done with a .ico editor, or how? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: mw:WikiLove#How to customize, MediaWiki talk:WikiLove.js. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Article flagged for deletion. Where to start?

Hello, new here, looking for guidance...My BLP article is being considered fo deletion. Onganymede (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Can someone direct me to addressing this? Via what venue? Addressed to whom? Thank you much.Onganymede (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: J. Jaye Gold. You can comment at the Deletion discussion and you can also attempt to address the criticism by improving the article. Clock is ticking. David notMD (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Onganymede. You can contribute to the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/J. Jaye Gold. But given, as the comments say, that it is a promotional piece sourced only to his work, there is little hope of saving it. If you want Wikipedia to have an article about Gold, you should let it be deleted, and start again with a draft, remembering that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, but only in what people wholly unconnected with the subject, and not prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about them in reliable sources. I suggest that you start by reading your first article carefully; and, if you have any connection with Gold yourself, also reading conflict of interest/ --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, how can I reply to either of you who have responded to me here?Onganymede (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Onganymede (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Onganymede. I have moved your reply to the correct section: you put it on the end of the page, which meant it was appended to a different question. So that's the answer: edit the specific section of the page. You can ping another user by going {{U|username}}, so I went {{U|Onganymede}}. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine for the navigation tip and fixing my placement! I've cut out everything I once held dear [kidding], addressed COI on my talk page, and added new refs. Would you mind taking another quick look and offering direction? Onganymede (talk) 05:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Onganymede. Glancing at your new sources, I notice that nine of them are blog posts (which are not "reliable sources") and one is an interview with Gold (which is not independent of him). —teb728 t c 07:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC) BTW the reason you were not able to save links to the Thrive Global blog posts is that the website is on the spam blacklist. —teb728 t c 10:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine for looking again. A few questions, if you would... 1] You are saying that Arianna Huffington's publication Thrive Global, which Wikipedia describes as "an American company that provides behavior change technology etc.," is an unacceptable source? Is this accurate? Can this be changed? Can I prove these articles are not spam? 2] Re: the NPR "interview,"I am referencing the interviewer's comments, not Gold's... The interviewer herself is a secondary source, no? She appears to already have known the info about Gold that I am referencing. It was not revealed in/by the interview. Is this incorrect reasoning? I have found several other interviews by people who know him and say things about him. This is all inadmissible? Are you saying my sources must be tertiary? 3] re: FortWorth news link, I don't have the archived link yet. I have seen a xeroxed clipping, but may not be able to get online version. What to do? Delete? 4] Books, unfortunately, it seems to me, are on their way out of our lives. How will one reference secondary sources if not partially via online media...interviews, youtube videos, and so forth? 5] I've spent hours and hours comparing other BLPs... I see that the rules are often stretched. Just came across one with 11 of the 15 reference from subject's web page, and 2 identical from encyclopedia.com. If somebody writes Gold into an online encyclopedia tomorrow, can I use that as a source? You understand my frustration no doubt. Should I take out Bio, or nonprofit, or teaching sections?... just leave books? I appreciate your time and attention. Can/Should I paste to others on the Afd page? Is that a place I can ask about my issues, or just for the administrators/voters? Onganymede (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

pinging teb728, whose comments you are responding to. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine Thanks! I see/understand now that the comments were from teb728! Can you address any of my other questions? The interviewer's prior knowledge as ref, the off line news archives, would YOU allow the Thrive articles? Onganymede (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC) teb728 Hi, appreciate the explanation of the Thrive linking problem. The Wiki article about Thrive says all good things..no indication that it is not trustworthy. But Wiki blocks a Thrive article as spam? Seems anomalous, or am I missing some bigger picture? Am I to understand that I must delete any references I found there? Thank you Onganymede (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Hi again ColinFine, I have restructured, rewritten, new-sourced, and I believe addressed every issue that has been brought to my attention. Will you check it out? Onganymede (talk) 20:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, Onganymede, think about it this way: What would make Gold significant enough to be the subject of an article in an encyclopedia? Most people are not that important. Does he meet any of the notability criteria for authors? If not does he meet the basic notability criteria? Blog posts by his students do not show notability: anybody can write a blog post. When I looked at your sources on 2 November, the only one that looked like a independent reliable source was the Los Angeles Times article, and that was pretty underwhelming: it says his book was not good but his book tour was entertaining. —teb728 t c 06:04, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Cars in Cuba

hello, is anybody working on an article about American cars manufactured in the 1960s at bar now a part of the Cuban culture and economy? "wesselm3" (talk) 06:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)>

Hello "wesselm3". Take a look at Transport in Cuba, which has a section called Old American cars in Cuba. This is a fascinating and well-documented topic that deserves a well-written article. These are mostly 1950s era cars. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Connection with subject

How can I avoid a personal connection when I am providing a history of a Pirate Station on which I was the operator, it is defunct so there is no current connection or COI. As the operator I am the only person who can detail the history, others have made websites about the station but I was there throughout the life of the station so I have more knowledge about it and have collected the articles and technical information, therefore I have expert knowledge is there a way to avoid the draft being rejected, and if it is will I have to abandon the article? I note the other stations in the category Pirate Radio Stations in the UK list have little more than stubs, and many have broken links to defunct sites. Comments appreciated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Skyport_Radio

Mark King (talk) 01:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC) Mark King (talk) 01:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Mark-King-SkyportRadio Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We cannot accept personal knowledge as a source. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources that can be verified say about article subjects. If no independent reliable sources have written about your station, it would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 01:56, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot (talk) Thanks for the helpful comment, I have cited various sources including books, magazines and websites, are you saying I can only create the article with those and not use any personal knowledge Mark King (talk) 02:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Mark-King-SkyportRadio Yes; you can only use published reliable sources that can be verified to write a Wikipedia article. See Your First Article for more information. If you just want to tell the world about your personal knowledge, you should use social media or perhaps some other alternative outlet where doing that is permitted. 331dot (talk) 02:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot (talk) thank you for help, I don't think I can write it using the reliable sources then, as I would still have the connection, I have published websites, where I have detailed the history, so if some unconnected historian or author were to use those and the books and magazines I've cited to create an article I guess that would be the answer. my article clearly won't be approved so I will save it for my reference and close the account, do you think it is even worth bothering to submit the draft or will I just be creating work for someone?Mark King (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Drafts are hard to find unless someone knows of their existence already. so writing a draft and leaving it for others would have a low probability of success. I don't know how much you have, but if you have at least three independent sources with significant coverage, you might have enough for a short article and that would be worth submitting through Articles for Creation.

Regarding closing accounts; there is no way to delete or close an account; if you no longer wish to use it, just abandon the account. Some people mark their accounts as "retired", but that's not required. If you would like to remove your name from your username, you can request a courtesy vanishing. 331dot (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Abandoned drafts are deleted after six months. David notMD (talk) 08:59, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia access

How can i get Wikipedia on the net. Christophermusenzejr (talk) 11:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Aren't you on the net right now? Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes! @Christophermusenzejr: you're looking at it on the Net right now. Did you actually mean to ask that?

On an unrelated note, this is the first time I've seen a veteran Wikipedian forget to sign their post. Nudge nudge. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Duly nudged. It was the edit conflict with you that got me, Le Panini. (well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it until all the votes are counted) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, Yeah yeah. Nick Moyes is acting kinda sus. Le Panini ^Talk 01:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

It is true, Le Panini, that what I have is a very particular set of skills; skills I have gained over a long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for editors like you. If you let me edit now, that will be the end of it. I will not WP:CU you, I will not block you. But I will move, unseen, among you. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:04, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Publishing Articles

Hi. I am new here. I want to publish articles. But it is impossible. Will it take time? I can only publish something on my page and also edit some posts that are not protected. But until now I cannot publish articles . I have heard that it can take a while . First we should be active and then Wikipedia gives this opportunity. Is it true? Thanks in advance. Narmin Nermin (talk) 08:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

You have created article-like content at your User page. The correct place is your Sandbox. You should cut-paste the content to there. Your User page is a place for descriptions of your intents and achievements as a Wikipedia editor. General advice is learn more about Wikipedia by editing existing articles before attempting to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 09:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Company Logo

Hi there,

Really hope someone can help me. I work at Waingels College and we are fortunate enough to have a wikipedia page. Unfortunately displayed on our page is our old school logo and I would really like to change this. I have been trying to do so but unfortunately due to copyright, I am unable to do so. Please can someone advise me on this?

Thank you Melissa Communications Officer Waingels Yiamyn (talk) 09:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Yiamyn, and welcome to the Teahouse! Check the guidance here :WP:LOGOS, and then move on to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. It's possible that you can find editors who have done this before and are willing to help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Acceptable writing format

Hello, I'm trying to improve my writing skills and I am experimenting with different styles. I'm very interested in learning about how to write in a format that could be accepted at wikipedia. I'm open to learning from anyone that can help and appreciate new things. Thanks and be safe Dicktion (talk) 06:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Dicktion, if you haven't found Wikipedia:Manual of Style, it may have some of what you want. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Early Miscarriage Awareness Day 9th November NOTABLE?

Hello, I am new and would like to write about Early Miscarriage Awareness Day which is on 9th November. Early gestation losses are still brushed under the carpet however cause huge emotional distress to those going through this heartache but in recent years since the awareness day launched I have seen gradual changes in the right direction which shows the awareness day is working! Before I started to write I was hoping if someone could offer advice if it is a “notable” subject as I didn’t want to start if it may get deleted x MrsMintyMum (talk) 08:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MrsMintyMum and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for asking your question. I appreciate this is a sensitive and emotional subject for many people (and I have some close person experience of the subject). However, this encyclopaedia is not a platform for promoting the myriad of 'XXX-Awareness Day' events that happen around the world, unless they have genuinely grown to become notable events in their own right, and have been written about in detail and in depth by many independent sources, especially mainstream media. Here, mere mentions are not sufficient - we know many things exist - Wikipedia just collates existing reliable sources that show a thing is 'Notable', and present that information back to its users. Simply Googling "Early Miscarriage Awareness Day" - and especially by going to the News section, I can see there simply aren't enough sources currently to make this a noteworthy article here in its own right. My genuine advice is that, as laudable as it may seem, going to that effort at this time would not produce the results you might have hoped for. Your previous edit is probably about as far on that topic as you ought to proceed. That said, if you find existing articles which are incomplete or poorly sourced, once you get a bit more practice, there is no reason why you should be able to added content and better references to them. I have left an introductory welcome for you on you talk page with some helpful links to get you started. I'm sorry I can't be more encouraging on this specific matter. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Help to making my business article fit Wikipedia

Hi all, I need some help to make this article better fit wikipedia purpose, I want to inform about what we do with this company and what is the purpose and some of the history of the company and at the same time respecting Wikipedia's objective.

This is the article: Draft:Vert_run

What's wrong and how can I improve it?

Thanks so much Moises.jleon (talk) 09:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Moises.jleon, read WP:COMPANY carefully. Do you see the (big) problem? If WP:COI applies, follow the guidance there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Moises.jleon: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it looks like you are simply trying to use Wikipedia as a means of WP:PROMOTION for your business. There are millions of businesses in the world - this encyclopaedia can only accept articles about Notable ones that independent sources have written about in detail and in depth. I have fixed the Conflict of Interest template on your userppage so that it functions properly, but I fear you have no chance of getting your business advertised here. As a business owner, you are actually receiving income from editing here, and so should not edit any article about your company directly. If and when it becomes notable by Wikipedia's criteria, another editor will surely want to pick up on it and write about it. Maybe is is simply WP:TOOSOON. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:

Thanks for your reply, so I disagree with you on WP:TOOSOON and Notable ones... this is not advertising, it's an informative page article about a business, yes a small one but you don't need to be Nike to have an informative article about it... so Maybe it's simply the moment. There are thousands of business smaller than Vert, even in the encyclopedia so I don't get the argument.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Moises.jleon (talk • contribs)

Moises.jleon What you call "an informative page" is considered promotional on Wikipedia. You don't need to be soliciting customers or selling something. Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. This is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia, articles (not mere "pages") must do more than merely tell about the subject. They must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia has no interest in what a company wants to say about itself, only in what others completely unconnected with the company have chosen to say about it. Because of this, not every company merits a Wikipedia article, even within the same field. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the proposed Speedy deletion. Promotional. Plus, two of the 'refs' are to the company website, and a third confirms that Kristen is a photographer, but has no information about the company. David notMD (talk) 11:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Birth and age info

Hi - just wondering - is listing the birth date or age of the subject mandatory? Octopus69 (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Octopus69, absolutely not, and unless you can cite it to an acceptable source, see WP:DOB, don't (that's for WP:BLPs). Sometimes a good source gives you a "middleground", see for example Dede Wilson (baker). Or Osman I. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

External Links

Can we add the blogs of a sales website? Neerajberi (talk) 08:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

No, we may not, Neerajberi. I have deleted the one that concerned you at Parvati. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

But there are many as such — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neerajberi (talk • contribs) 09:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

All should be deleted. Because stuff exists contrary to Wikipedia good practices does not mean do more of it. David notMD (talk) 09:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Neerajberi: It is a common trick for a commercial website to write a short, encyclopaedic piece about a topic and then try to place a link to it to draw traffic to the sales side of its website. It is also a common mistake that other editors might think it's OK to do so. But it is not. If you would like to look through all 6,185,748 Wikipedia articles and let us know which ones have commercially-orientated links in them, we will gladly remove them all. But we can only remove the ones we become aware of. You have already been warned by one administrator not to add such links to articles here. This administrator is now repeating that advice. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the insights. Now i understand about it @nick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neerajberi (talk • contribs) 13:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

How an author may remove image from talk page free image

I guess the image I uploaded possibly should be limited
in license as it contains non-public photo of me and family.
What do I need to do for speedy deletion of this image:

File:Henry-moore-flathead-v8.002.commons.jpg

regards,
Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 00:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mawcowboybillsbrick7: If you uploaded it and you hold the copyright, then I think that the license cannot be revoked. But, to be sure, ask at Commons:Help_desk or maybe Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. Since the image is hosted on Commons.RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I have been blocked from asking questions at Commons. I do not wish this image to be used to harass people including myself and other living family members. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:35, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

You might want to remove it from here User:Mawcowboybillsbrick7/Personal Biography Information? Theroadislong (talk) 14:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Can't you post to your user talk page at Commons even though you are blocked? I have nominated the image for deletion, linking to your request here, but in general you'll have much better luck asking about Commons related issues over at Commons. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 14:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

please how can i edit an article Muhbel (talk) 14:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Muhbel! Try Help:Introduction and/or WP:ADVENTURE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

User page

Hello, i have been a member of Wikipedia for 14 months, but i hadnt used the site very much as an editor until today. Today i read through the Wikipedia introduction and i think i have a decent understanding of the site. I am trying to set up my user page, and i was wondering if anyone had any tips on what to add? Thanks in advance! TheRealGrantma (talk) 14:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

TheRealGrantma, Check out the User page design center. Alternatively, you can look at other pages (such as mine) for inspiration, and to borrow templates^{(There's no shame in borrowing code)}. Le Panini ^Talk 15:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Helps a lot. TheRealGrantma (talk) 15:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

How do you change to the Visual editor?

I want to add things to Wikipedia's unusual articles. How do you change the editor to the visual editor? Eridian314 (talk) 15:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eridian314: In general, I reccomend that you change your preferences. Two things in "Editing":

Uncheck the checkbox "Temporerely disable the visual editor while it is in beta"
Under "editing mode" make sure that the dropdown is set to "show me both tabs".

This will add a second edit link to the toolbar, next to the usual, which activates the visual editor. You can always switch from visual editor to source by using the pencil icon in the visual editor toolbar, or the other way round by clicking the same link you would click to start editing with the visual editor. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

My article doesn't appear in search

Hello,

I have recently posted an article "Albrecht Conzo" on your website, but it appeared to be only a draft. At the very beginning, I clicked on the "Create a new article" button, and something probably went wrong. I would like to ask for your help, as this article is a very important part of the task I have to finish.

Regards, Socio181101 Socio181101 (talk) 15:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Answered at the Help Desk, please only use one method at a time of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Profanity/curse words

If I find statement in a page that contains a cuss word, profanity or any from the Seven dirty words, how do I determine if its unencyclopedic or not? Because curse words seem informal, I'm more inclined to remove them. But I wanted to ask first here. Thanks. HotTomatoe (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC) HotTomatoe (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

HotTomatoe Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Since Wikipedia is not censored for any reason, if the statement is a direct quote that you intend to use in an article, you don't need to do anything about it. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Thanks for that piece of info. I was actually contemplating whether to remove this curse word or not in this article I was skimming through. But it was from a direct quote so it made me think twice. As you have mentioned, there's probably no need to do something bout it. That's why I resorted to asking first here. Thanks again. HotTomatoe (talk) 16:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

HotTomatoe Rather than merely contemplating it, you actually did remove it here [1], but I reverted your edit. Theroadislong (talk) 16:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering again

Sorry for bothering again, but I want to ask that are all these books considered trustworthy on Wikipedia:-

1.Rajput Clans: Nanda, Tribes and Clans of the Pothohar Plateau, Janjua Rajput, Khokhar, Tomara Dynasty, Kachwaha, Minhas, Bhati, Johiya, Mers [2]

2.Rajput Clans of Uttar Pradesh: Tomara Dynasty, Kachwaha, Chandela, Solanki, Paramara, Bhaduria, Rathore, Pundir, Sisodia, Sikarwar, Bundela [3]

3. Handbooks on Rajputs [4] Sumit banaphar (talk) 13:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

The third one might be, Sumit banaphar; but despite the cover date of 2006, it is a reprint of a book from 1899, and may not be reliable for c that reason. I would regard as suspect any book that says in the opening paragraph "the other a dark-complexioned race of lower type". This was no doubt acceptable in 1899, but today it is appalling racism, and casts all its contents into doubt. The other two both say, in their Google Books entry: "Please note that the content of this book primarily consists of articles available from Wikipedia or other free sources online", so citing them is the same as citing Wikipedia. See WP:CIRCULAR. --ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I think we can summarize ColinFine's informative and constructive comment as "No". If you, Sumit banaphar, would like to ask about the likely value of any other source for India, then the best place to do so is probably Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. -- Hoary (talk) 13:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

On the third one, WP:RAJ may apply. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång:- But the third one is published in 1996 so how it is in WP:RAJ.

@Hoary:- I have no problem but can you help me to how to write a proper notice in Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumit banaphar (talk • contribs) 13:52, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine has already explained that the third book was published in 1899 and is blatantly racist. That it was reprinted in 2006 is by the way. WP:RAJ applies. You can post a question to Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics in the same way that you post a question here -- but please, wherever you're thinking of posting a question, only post it if you intend to read and digest the responses. -- Hoary (talk) 13:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

That. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:59, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Someohow I suspect that is never going to happen. Sumit is interested in just one thing - to prove that Banafar (his clan), and the two legendary heroes of Banafars (Udal of Mahoba and Alha), are pure-bred warrior-race, and has no mix of lowly Ahir race. Is entire presence on Wikipedia is dedicated to that endeavor. He also is interested in reading just one word in a book - "Banafar" - no matter what else is written in the sentence. Aditya^{(✉ • ⚒)} 07:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Aditya:-I agree what your saying that I'm here just to edit those three pages but I do not agree with when you say that I'm interested in just one word no matter what is written in it.

It is simple as that for ex:- when someone write your name incorrect so there is two options first you can correct yourself or second tell him kindly that it's incorrect please correct it.Sumit banaphar (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do I create a television show article? GreenSuiteMan^talk 17:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, GreenSuiteMan, and welcome to the Teahouse. You create an encyclopaedia article about a TV show the same way as you create an encyclopaedia article about anything else:

If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything that is not you or something you are connected to, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this. Also, while search engine results are not sources, they are where you can find sources. Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries where possible (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports), repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion.

If you are writing about yourself, or someone or something you are connected with (such as a friend, family member, or your business), the following steps are different:

0) If the subject really was notable, you wouldn't need to write the article. Remember that articles are owned by the Wikipedia community as a whole, not the article subject or the article author. If you do not want other people to write about you, then starting an article about yourself is a bad idea.

8a) If the article is accepted, never edit it again. Instead, make edit requests on the article's talk page.

8b) If the article is rejected, there will be a reason given. Read it carefully and closely. If there are links in the reason, open them and read those pages. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@GreenSuiteMan: who is "we"? The steps are not that far away from those for every other article, though I am not an expert at Wikipedia:NTELEVISION. You may look in Wikipedia:Good articles/Media and drama if there is something useable as a template. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Why do my pages keep getting a warning for speedy deletion? NonPopularPerson (talk) 06:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello NonPopularPerson. It is because you are not complying well enough with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please read, study and follow them. Please also read Your first article and follow its excellent advice. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

NonPopularPerson. In particular, the two articles were speedily deleted because they did not indicate why the subject were significant enough to have encyclopedia articles, and your user page was deleted for being promotional. —teb728 t c 18:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Help with Sandbox

Good afternoon, Currently in my sandbox is a redirect to an article I created, Charles S. Fuchs. I would like to use the sandbox to work on creating a new article - can I delete the redirect that us currently there or will doing that change something with the existing article? Thank you for any help! Jcollinsycc (talk) 20:37, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey @User:Jcollinsycc, yes, if it is in your own userspace, you can remove the redirect. To do that, just blank all the text on the page and then write whatever you want. Hope this helps! Ghinga7 (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

How To Be An Expact On wikipedia!!!

Please!!! Who can guide me how to use Wikipedia and be an expact on it??? Al Madaniy (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean "expert"? 331dot (talk) 17:08, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse Al Madaniy A good place to start is the "Wikipedia Adventure" to familiarise yourself with how things work. Theroadislong (talk) 17:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Al Madaniy If you mean an expert in the sense of a person recognized for special knowledge of subject matter, we don't have them on Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors summarize what is published in reliable sources; they are not allowed to express their personal (unpublished) knowledge. —teb728 t c 21:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

If by expert, you mean an editor who understands the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia, and makes valuable contributions, we all try - sometimes we succeed. David notMD (talk) 21:36, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

If you mean expert as in being a pro compared to newcomers, and being known all over the website as a hero, well, wait 10 years. Le Panini ^Talk 22:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Honest Mistake in actresses in the movie Titanic Vs Avatar

Hello

Uhhhh ... Kate Winslet was not featured in James's Cameron's Avatar, she was featured in Titanic, but in the credit section in film section of James's Cameron, it is listed Kate Winslet was featured in Avatar -- KATE WINSLET WAS NOT IN AVATAR -- IT WAS ZOEY FROM STAR TREK -- the actress Zoey played one of the Avatars! 174.95.22.214 (talk) 22:57, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Thank you for spotting this probable error. Please would you repeat your concerns on the Talk Page of the relevant article, please? Editors with an interest in that subject will no doubt check and make corrections, as appropriate. As an aside, I did spot that Kate Winslet is appearing in the forthcoming Avatar2 (see here), so that might be where any error came from. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

HELP ME !!!

hello, I think one of user have aggression to me, he put GNG template to may articles, seriously all of articles, some of them he put PROD or AfD. What can I do or who can i say....i create referee articles, that user write that articles are not pass notability, but there are more more more articles that same as me, which he put PROD, Afd or GNG....please help me...i dont know what he want from me??? Almgerdeu (talk) 19:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, based on the messages on your talkpage, I think they want you to not create articles unless they clearly meet WP:GNG/WP:BASIC. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Almgerdeu: The problem, as I see it, is that you do not have much understanding of our notability criteria and the sources that you need to find and to put into an article in orer to demonstrate a person is Notable enough for a page to remain in this encyclopaedia. See WP:SPORTBASIC for a bit of specific guidance on sport-people. OK, so you are clearly fascinated by football referees, and so are the main types of website you cite in your rapidly-created pages: worldreferee.com ; eu-football.info ; thecelticwiki.com. Unfortunately, they all seem to be insider summary pages, with nothing to suggest real notability, just the jobs they've done. I am not aware that WP:NSPORTS has a criterion for notability of referees taking part in major tournaments. There seems to be no citations in your hastily made pages to published books, biographies or national media outlets - that talks about their participation and contribution to major sporting events, such as they refereed in the 1996 World Cup, followed by lots of indepth coverage of them as a person. That's what notability means. So, if you're going to carry on in this way, you must be prepared for a lot more PRODS and AFDs on notability grounds. The way to avoid that is to slow down, and spend real, quality time finding sources about these seemingly non-notable people. If you can't, then maybe it's best not to waste everyone's time - including your own - trying. That, to me, seems to be the bottom line, and I would encourage Spiderone to continue assessing your well-meant contributions - and perhaps offer you a bit of guidance and instruction along the way. I hope both of you will proceed with care. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC).

@Almgerdeu: there is no aggression here. A number of users, not just me, have left messages on your talk page suggesting how articles could be improved. I have personally suggested that you try to use WP:DRAFT and WP:AFC to help you to understand what sort of articles are accepted and which ones are not. Unfortunately, not everyone is notable. I can tell that you have put a good chunk of time into a lot of these articles but, honestly, a lot of these people just do not meet WP:GNG. If a person cannot be sourced to anything more than World Referees or similar database websites then that person isn't notable. Me placing a GNG template on an article is not a personal attack but simply a reminder that the article makes no demonstration of how the subject is notable. I could go straight to PROD or AfD in almost all of these cases but I think it's important that you spend time trying to find sources that explore the referees in depth and, if they don't exist, then try to use self-control and not create the article. The only one that stands out to me as being hugely notable is Arturo Yamasaki. Honestly, the overwhelming majority of the others don't seem to have anything more than routine and passing mentions. Spiderone 22:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Almgerdeu has created close to 100 stub-length articles on football referees. Many of these get Prod, then contested by Almgerdeu, then nominated to AfD, and then deleted. Is there a way to stop this insistence on creating articles which do not, and can not, meet Wikipedia's criteria for GNG? David notMD (talk) 04:04, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Since Almgerdeu is clearly acting in good faith, I'm not sure. If it were deliberately disruptive behaviour, I would go down the route of ANI and suggesting a topic ban but I don't think that's appropriate in this particular circumstance. Spiderone 09:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, they all seem to not be in written in a neutral point of view. The summaries are also all in past tense for some reason. Le Panini ^Talk 23:59, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing SD towns

I've noticed there are lots of missing towns in the South Dakota list of towns. All of them in Tripp County have been left out. How do I add them? On this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_in_South_Dakota Sorry but I'm not sure what working in mobile view or VisualEditor refers to. Brenda AKA Cowgirl8664 Cowgirl8664 (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Cowgirl8664: There are many listed at List_of_townships_in_South_Dakota and a few more at List_of_cities_in_South_Dakota. Does that cover the ones you are thinking of? RudolfRed (talk) 03:26, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

How should I begin editing?

Hello Wikipedians,

I've read through many of the polices, guidelines, and I've familiarised myself with the WikiPedia site. However, I don't really know now where to go or how to start. What would be a good way to start editing without getting too overwhelmed? Thanks. FireisBlue (talk) 02:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@FireisBlue: Welcome. A good place to start is the interactive learning game WP:ADVENTURE and the WP:TUTORIAL. If you're just looking for some simple tasks to do, check out WP:TYPO and there are also links there to other projects helping Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

FireisBlue, join WikiProjects, all of them have to-do lists. If you are looking for more general tasks, See WP:Community portal for a list of tasks you can do. Enjoy you stay at the teahouse! Heart ^(talk) 05:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia images

I have an issue with wikipedia the website feels out of date and old to be precise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SmashingPumpkins-SiameseDream.jpg - this image is from 2007 - i think it should be updated to a much bigger one and as i am not allowed to edit that page - i guess the right person at wikipedia needs to be notified of such an issue i'm sure in 2007 it was a bandwidth issue to have such a small image - but in 2020?

i have noticed this with a lot of images on wikipedia - but this one made me want to do this
so if you can tell your boss to get it sorted that would be swell
it's kind of embarrassing to see a major historical website have such poor image quality frankly 62.228.224.203 (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@62.228.224.203: There is no "boss" here. Wikipedia articles are created, edited and updated by thousands of volunteer editors each day. If something is out of date, it probbably means that nobody came to update it yet or that there exist no reliable sources for a change. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The default image size is small for people reading Wikipedia on phones and other small screen devices. If you don't like the default image size, you can create an account and alter the image sizes that you see in "Preferences" "Appearance" - Arjayay (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

With respect to the specific image you are referring to, that is a copyright image, used under a claim of "fair-use" which means we cannot, legally, use a larger px size, as that would be a copyright violation - Arjayay (talk) 14:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) When it's about images, there's an even bigger problem: copyright. Most images on the net, or published anywhere, are copyright in ways that Wikipedia cannot use them consistently with its policies. Because this limits the available images, there are certain exceptions whether images are used under "fair use": typically for logos, album and book covers, and posters. One of these conditions (3b in WP:NFCC) is that they should be small and low resolution copies where possible. So where appropriate an image could be replaced by a newer one; but replacing it by a larger or higher-resolution image would be contrary to Wikipedia's policies, and risk infringing somebody's copyright. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new category

Hi. How does one create a new category? Please, just a simple, user-friendly, short "how to", as I'm not technically very well-versed. Thank you very much, Arminden (talk) 05:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arminden, there are multiple ways, however, I think the simplest way is to go to your URL and type "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:" and after "Category:", type in the title of the category and click go. Alternatively, create a red-link by typing [[:Category:]] in a sandbox, and after ":Category:", type in the title of the category and publish. Click the red-link. Both will get you to a page, click "Create" and you can create a category. If you instead need help assembling a category, please let me know! Enjoy your stay at the teahouse! Heart ^(talk) 05:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797, thanks again! Your advice was as useful as it was prompt. The first option worked like clockwork. Have a great day, Arminden (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arminden I'm afraid HeartGlow30797 forgot one absolutely critical bit of advice. All categories must have at least one parent category. I have added to the category you created, Category:Architects in Ottoman Palestine the parent category Category:Architects of the Ottoman Empire. You will notice there that your new category is the only one that subdivides Ottoman architects by the various countries/regions of the empire, which is a somewhat lopsided situation. Given the fairly small number of Ottoman architect articles we currently have I'm not sure such subcategorisation is really needed. The question "how to create a category" only covers one part of the issue, one must also consider whether creating a particular category is really justified or neccessary. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Dodger67, thank you. I've been editing for quite a while, just haven't bothered much about the more technical aspects. I think I can quite easily deal with the question of "whether creating a particular category is really justified/neccessary". Israel has the issue of a) being a very young country, with lots of buildings dating back to a time when the State of Israel didn't exist yet, and b) of being a very much contested piece of real estate, with many militant editors keeping an eager eye out on real or alleged errors of "political correctness", even where one would least expect it, so... Arminden (talk) 15:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I am completely baffled regarding how to leave a comment on an article

I am trying to comment on the articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Industrial_Revolution I go to the talk page and then click on edit and I go the bottom and i see a line saying "

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate "

I cannot work out where to make my comment. Basically my comment is to say that the article is mostly quite good except that the para above the heading "German strategy" is totally dire and needs rewriting completely.

Thanks for all help

JontheDuke (talk) 16:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC) JontheDuke (talk) 16:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@JontheDuke: Just insert a blank line and type your section heading and comment beneath the last line of the talk page. That "The discussion above is closed" line refers to the move discussion that's currently the last section on the page. Deor (talk) 17:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

And, JontheDuke, thank you for wanting to help us improve it. Unfortunately, a comment like "XXX paragraph needs rewriting completely" probably won't have much effect, as we're all volunteers, and people work on what interests them. We have six million articles, and probably at least half a million of them have portions which need rewriting completely. If you have an idea for improving the paragraph, how about rewriting it yourself? Or if you're not confident to do that, suggest specific improvements to it on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Lester J. Brown

How do I write the reference and then publish? Rochellacooper (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rochellacooper. (Just for your information: you managed to remove a lot of questions on this page with your first edit; so somebody reverted your edit, and I then added back your question. Nobody will hold this against you, but you should know that this happened). Looking at Draft:Lester J. Brown, I'm afraid you have made a number of classic beginner's mistakes. (Again, don't worry: we all make them). One is trying to plunge in and create a new article, possibly the most difficult task there is in editing Wikipedia, without having spent some time learning how Wikipedia works. The second is writing an article from what you know: Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). It is also not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection to the subject of the article, and have not been prompted or fed information by or on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish in WP:reliable sources. It follows that the first task in creating an article, before creating a draft or writing a word, is to find such reliably-published independent sources which discuss the subject at some length; because if you can't find such sources, then it is not going to be possible to write an acceptable article, and it is a waste of everyone's effort going any further. (The Wikipedia jargon for this is whether or not the subject is notable). Please have a look at your first article; and for references specifically, look at CITE. --ColinFine (talk) 17:40, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Setting up a personal page

Could you please follow through and set this up as a personal page. Julie Dee Bell (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Dr Julie Dee Bell Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "personal pages". It has articles, as this is an encyclopedia. Your user page is not article space, but a place for you to tell the Wikipedia community about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user. It is not a place for you to tell anything and everything about yourself. People merit a Wikipedia article if they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to offer it, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, or in your case, a a notable academic. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged under the autobiography policy, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. Wikipedia is primarily interested in what others say about a person, not what the person says about themselves.

If you truly feel you can write about yourself in such a manner, you should first review Your First Article, then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft article for review by an independent editor. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Civilization

what is first civilization in earth 88.230.195.39 (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking questions about Wikipedia. Instead, go to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Le Panini ^Talk 18:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Limited info in English

Please tell me how a user can edit or add an article if the information related to the subject of the article is limited. Can one use information from the other languages? Polito.tashkent (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Polito.tashkent! WP:RS not in English are ok, see WP:NOENG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

HostBot

I'm sorry about what happened, HostBot but i was trying to be a new member and trying to help Wikipedia. Pricegeorge212 (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Pricegeorge212, HostBot is a bot. They can't respond back. davidwr and ZimZalaBim are not, however. Le Panini ^Talk 20:38, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

GOP

I made a change. See below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)

This is not correct " GOP losing the presidential election and lead to significant GOP losses in other races. In one of the largest upsets in American political history,[116][117][118][119] Trump went on to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election."

How is it possible that the GOP lost the presidential election and then go on to defeat Hillary Clinton?

I wrote a correction "GOP won the presidential election and lead to significant GOP winning in other races. In one of the largest upsets in American political history,[116][117][118][119] Trump went on to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election." which is factual.

Why was it changed back? Gorrillawarfare changed it back an said it was not constructive. How is the truth not constructive? Suppressing the truth is censorship! Is that what Wikipedia stands for? 67.171.36.238 (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

You did not read the entire sentence – you changed a statement about Republicans being worried that their candidate would lose the election to say that they were worried that the candidate would win the election. (here is your edit). --bonadea contributions talk 21:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox not working

Can someone tell me how to fix the infobox on Jermaine Johnson (basketball). He was elected to State Congress, but it's not showing up in the infobox. Please help. Thank you! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Fixed here, Pennsylvania2. You had embedded the template in another one, but only closed one of the two. I also fixed an error with a parameter. --ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 21:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone put up an account in my name.

I found an account on here in my name "Fred Batt" but a lot of it was either just making a mockery of me or was wrong information so I altered the parts that were wrong or bad but they kept being changed back. I alyered it about 3 or 4 times.

I have just opened up another account in the same name but in capital letters, "FRED BATT" and altered the othe page,in my name "Fred Batt" to how it should be.

How can I make this permanent so nobody can just go on there and alter it.

I am the demonologist in the TV show Most Maunted so I probably get a lot of visitors on there. Hope someone can help.

Thanks

Fred FRED BATT (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

FRED BATT Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. So you have your terminology crossed a bit- someone created a Wikipedia article about you, not an account. You created an account for yourself. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that has articles. The vast majority of articles on this encyclopedia about people were created without involvement of the subjects(Donald Trump did not write the article about him). You should avoid directly editing the article about yourself per the autobiography policy, but if there are changes that you feel are needed and you can source them to a reliable source, please make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@FRED BATT: Hello from Derby - home of Richard Felix - who, I believe, also used to do some presenting on the Most Haunted TV show - though I've never watched it myself. (In fact, he used to pop in from time to time at our city's Museum where I worked for many years.) Hey, I'm sorry to hear you've encountered an article about yourself which you think needs correcting. However, the advice given above by 331dot is spot on. Obviously, if there is wholly malicious and uncited content about Fred Batt, you, like anyone else is free to simply delete it (explained at this page). We take very seriously anyone messing around with biographies of living people, just as we do if someone should choose a username of a famous person and use it to edit under. Please don't take it personally, but I feel I am obliged to give a 'SOFTBLOCK to your account - purely to protect the real Fred Batt. OK, that's probably you - but please understand that we have no way of knowing that, except that the message that will be left on your talk page will explain how you can send an email from a valid account to prove that the account is, well, legitimately you. Once that's done, your account will be unfrozen for you. You will be in good company - I did precisely the same thing to BBC TV news journalist, Mark Easton, a year or two ago (see here). He then simply sent in an email from the BBC to what we call our 'OTRS' Team to prove that, well, he was who he claimed he was. He wanted to remove cited content which gave a very biased picture of himself - which was probably quite justified. But we had no way of knowing without first blocking (and then unblocking) his named account. I hope you won't mind this inconvenience, which (honestly) is designed to protect you, and certainly not to not frustrate you. (See the third paragraph at WP:REALNAME for further explanation). Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My first work

Hello, My first work was observed by Nathan2055. And it couldn't be accepted because of the language. I'd like to ask how can I transfer my article " Ծրագրակազմի Ճարտարագիտություն" from the English Wikipedia into Armenian Wikipedia ? GJ-artist (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

There is no such thing as Armenian Wikipedia. However, you can have your article translated to English by a professional. Put {{Not English|language|article or section|listed=yes/no}} at the top of the talk page, and fill out the sample text to notify the article needs translation. Le Panini ^Talk 18:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

What? Of course there is an Armenian Wikipedia – what made you think there wasn't? It is here. --bonadea contributions talk 18:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Wait, hold up. Did not know this existed. Sorry about that.

I figured out why I assumed there was no Armenian language. For some reason, I looked at the front page and saw those ten languages and assumed those were the only ones available. I clearly know that there are others if you literally just look to the left sidebar, but for some reason I forgot those existed. Le Panini ^Talk 20:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, GJ-artist. I don't think there's a way of transferring an article directly: you'll need to create an article hy:Ծրագրակազմի Ճարտարագիտություն in whatever way hy-wiki allows you to create articles, and then paste the source into it. (If you "edit" your sandbox with the source editor, you can then copy the whole content of the edit box). --ColinFine (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

GJ-artist and ColinFine I think that m:Help:Transwiki may give the answer. —teb728 t c 23:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

GJ-artist. The transwiki method has the advantage of preserving page history as required by copyright. But I see that you are the sole author; so ColinFine's copy-and-paste method would be easier. —teb728 t c 00:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

help me for contribution

HI... Guys Can any of you help me make articles about tv series such as making a list of characters and main articles per season, if any of you can contribute, I will be happy to contribute properly and correctly. besides that I also need a mentor related to that.

Thus I thank you Natean12 (talk) 00:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Natean12 (talk) 00:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a TV series you have in mind? In general, Teahouse hosts are question-answerers but not co-authors. David notMD (talk) 02:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

James Davidson, the Ornithologist

I have the proper picture of him as he is an ancestor of mine and I have a couple photos of him. The one I would recommend is part of a group photo of himself, his brother and sister and step sister, and father with his second wife. I think this Thumb link will work??

File:James Davidson -son.jpeg

/var/folders/nj/nc9vhss97td99m1_tf3wdgnr0000gn/T/com.apple.Preview/PreviewTemp-WrT8Dn/W4Y0m.jpeg

96.244.245.118 (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP, the file paths you've added look to be from locally on a Mac, i.e. only you can see them because they are stored on your computer, not anywhere on the internet. Dylsss^{(talk • contribs)} 02:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The article in question is James Davidson (ornithologist). Since he died in 1925, any photos you have are probably in the public domain. Please upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Australia

Our town in Australia , NSW , Gwydir Shire Council 2402 have started to post council meeting recorded onto your site . claimed as being democratic . But the other day when I found them and listened to them , I reported some concerns with statements made during the meeting . Now this seems to have been removed and others can't hear the same comments , is this correct for them to remove sections and yet claim its being done to comply with the democratic ideal .

It's all new stuff here , but should they be able to remove information .

Thanks for any helpful information , its better we can at lest hear these parts .

Thanks David Goode 1.129.105.21 (talk) 02:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor "David Goode". I looked at the history of the Gwydir Shire article and do not see anything about council meeting records. There is no discussion at Talk: Gwydir Shire, which is the proper place to discuss changes to the article. Am I missing something? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Article Approval and Making it Encyclopedic

Hey there fellow editors, I had recently written an article on ELGi Equipments which got deleted for sounding to 'promotionalish' I wish to state that I do not have any connection to the company and I realized that I added too much citation by linking websites of the company and it's subsidiaries. I request you to help me out on this particular article in making it wiki friendly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elgi_Equipments

Thanks and Regards Fibrointech (talk) 04:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Fibrointech. An acceptable Wikipedia article neutrally summarizes what independent, reliable sources say about a topic, and references to those sources should be included, so that readers can verify what is in the article. Your draft includes only one reference and there are many paragraphs that are entirely unreferenced. That won't fly. Please read Your first article and follow the advice you will find there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Cite error references missing key

Hi there, the article I am working on for a Wikipedia Education class - Commercial Radio Australia, has just received a notification of a "cite error" at the bottom of the page, saying that two references are not used in the content. I am confused as to how this is the case - as both references are used in the article. Could someone help me with how to address/eliminate these?

I have also noticed that this Wikipedia page is flagged as having an "unclear citation style". This flag appeared before I cleaned up the notes and references sections. I have since polished the references to ensure there is a clear citation style - is there a way in which I can remove this template?

Thanks SM9237 (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

No, the references with those names are not used (i.e. there is nowhere in your article that contains the sequence <ref name="ACMA"/>). You have a similar reference (the same title, but a different URL) as reference 9. I haven't looked at the other one.

If you are happy that you have remedied the problem in the cleanup tag, you may remove it: simply find the template at the top of the source and remove it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@SM9237: As I previously advised you in Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1082#References appear in Notes section upon using "Cite" Tool, you should not just unilaterally change the citation style of an article to something you prefer per WP:CITEVAR. You should’ve at least tried to discuss this on the article’s talk page first or tried to adopt the style already established in the article. This kind of thing can sometimes lead to problems between editors, particularly when one of them is a new editor (like a student editor) who may not be very familiar with Wikipedia. The reason I tagged the article with {{Unclear citation style}} was because you were formatting the citations you were adding using a citation style different from the one established by earlier contributors. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My article was not accepted

My article was not accepted so how can i ?? Madhav rabari 6464 (talk) 07:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User:Madhav rabari 6464/sandbox

Welcome to the Teahouse, Madhav rabari 6464. You can't! First, your draft doesn't say anything at all about you. Also, instagram is not an acceptable source. And finally, Wikipedia is not the kind of website that welcomes a Wikipedia:Autobiography. —teb728 t c 08:47, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Stopping a red link going to a disambiguation page

If I write [[author name]] and the author does not exist, it goes to the create an new page. However, if the [[author name]] is not unique, it goes to a disambiguation page. I don't want to add the new name to the disambiguation page - no red links. If I Leave the link disambiguating, a kindly bot writes on my talk page. How do I stop a red link that needs disambiguating, diambiguating? What is the best practice here? Sciencefish (talk) 10:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sciencefish, welcome to the Teahouse. You could pipe the link to a target other than the dab page. Example: [[Name of person (author)|Name of person]]. Regards, Zindor (talk) 10:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I've seen. The trick appears to be to make the new link unique.Sciencefish (talk) 09:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Meta data in my photos can lead to my address. Can it be deleted?

As the subject says: can the meta data with my location be deleted from my pictures? Or can someone do this for me? Maybe it can be automated or something? I obviously don't feel too comfortable with the knowledge that people can find my home and get access to the things I photographed! Marc NL (talk) 09:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Marc NL: Three points: Firstly, in future, try to remember to delete exif data before uploading if youve set you camera to add personal information. Secondly, your question needs to be asked at Wikimedia Commons, which is where I assume your images were uploaded to. Thirdly, it's always best to approach an administrator there by email with your concerns, rather than using a public forum, as this tends to advertise the issue and thus make people go and look. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Pictures of notable people on Wiki articles that are not about those people

Is it appropriate to put a picture of a notable person (who has his own Wikipedia page) on other pages which are relevant to that person? For instance, in the case of Rodney Atkins, the country musician, I put a photo of him on two schools that he attended where his name is mentioned as a notable alumnus: Walters State Community College and Tennessee Technological University; plus on his hometown of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee; but another editor, AppalachianCentrist removed those pictures. Please tell me what the policy is for placing pictures in such cases, because I have seen many pages where notable alumni or people from a small town who became well-known, do have their photos on those related pages. Thanks. 64.90.222.203 (talk) 09:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. Page content is determined by consensus of the users editing the page. If someone reverts your edit, do not reassert it. Instead discuss the change you want on the article talk page. See WP:BRD. —teb728 t c 09:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

British Columbia

(This is the first time I have used the teahouse.) Hi there, you dont know me and I dont know you, but I'm currently involved in an edit war on the article British Columbia, I put a fact on there about the capital of BC, so I wrote that Victoria is on Vancouver Island, which is completely true. An administrator rejects my contribution and reverts it. He also emails an administrator on his talkpage regarding another one of my problematic edits on Donald Trump, I put it back up there (the fact about Victoria) when I noticed what he had done, so i wrote it again, a different admin reverts it. I dont want to get banned for edit-warring, and I have no idea why two admins would revert my edits on BC. If any of you guys could help me with this problem I would be extremely grateful. Thanks

82.40.130.75 (talk) 08:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC) 82.40.130.75 (talk) 08:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. Just because something is true doesn't mean it needs to be said. If someone reverts your edit, do not reassert it. Instead discuss the change you want on the article talk page, Talk:British Columbia. —teb728 t c 08:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The fact that Victoria is on Vancouver Island is stated in the geography section. The Wikilink to Victoria, British Columbia has the same information. In my opinion, it does not also need to be in the lead of British Columbia. As advised by teb728, if you disagree, try to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Translation in other languages

Hello dear ladies and gentlemen, my name is Sayyid Mir Israfil and am contributing to the following pages:

I will be grateful, when you could add the translation of these articles from english into other languages, like: Arabic, Bahasa, Turkish, Russian, Urdu, Farsi etc. etc.

I am looking forward with thanks.

For easement you can also reach me per <redacted>

Thank you very much.

Sayyid Mir Israfil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 08:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Sayyid Mir Israfil. I have moved your post from the top to the bottom of the forum, which is where users expect to find new posts. I have also removed your contact information because Teahouse hosts do not contact guests off-wiki and because it is not a good idea to post it on this highly visible website. —teb728 t c 10:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Sayyid Mir Israfil. Everyone here is a volunteer. And This Teahouse is not a place where people who could make translations will see your request. But according to Wikipedia:Translation: To request a translation of an English Wikipedia article into another language, see the page in the foreign-language Wikipedia project corresponding to that page. You could use the sidebar links in the desktop version of that page to the foreign-language project page. —teb728 t c 10:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My wikipedia pages stuck in review?

Hi I have submitted two pages one on a public figure/author!/activist called Scott McGlynn and a TV show called Car and Country. I submitted them nearly a month ago with no response, is this normal? To top it off Scott has had an email from a freelancer saying they spotted his page in review and have offered to perfect it so it will get reviewed/sorted quicker for a fee. This doesn't seem right, can someone offer advice for next steps? 146.90.58.149 (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

(Remember to log in before posting). On your draft it states "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,398 pending submissions waiting for review." I'm not sure how you are aware of a freelancer contacting the subject of your draft(do you have a conflict of interest?), but we cannot stop that from happening. Wikipedia does not endorse or encourage paid editing, but it is not against policy as long as the paid editor complies with the paid editing policy and declares that they are being paid. It's doubtful though that a paid editor could speed up the process, as there are a limited number of editors who review drafts. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The original poster is also being paid to edit Draft:Scott McGlynn. Theroadislong (talk) 12:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I can see no draft for a Car and Country article here [5]? Perhaps it is a different user?Theroadislong (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Not Autoconfirmed?

Hello, I was recently trying to fix a very simple and uncontroversial error on this page and found it was semi-protected. Only autoconfirmed users can edit. My account is many years old and I have made many edits, but my activity has been sporadic. (I have gone years between edits occasionally.) Is there some way to find out why my account is not autoconfirmed? Thanks! Apollo reactor (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Your account is autoconfirmed. Ruslik_Zero 19:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Trivia and pop culture sections on articles for everyday subjects

Hi. If anyone wants to take a look, a lot of our articles for numbers (ex. 20 (number)) are loaded with trivia sections pertaining to their usage in popular culture (like music, sports teams, and overall non-mathematic and irrelevant topics). Almost all of these are trivial things like a certain sports team containing a certain number of players (seriously?) or an album being named after a number. It's basically just an incorporation of the disambiguation page into the article, which is really redundant since we already link the disambig at the top of the article for readers to find different topics; we don't need repeats. Not helping is the fact that a majority of this information is unsourced.

There's also sections dedicated to certain privileges attainable at certain ages. Those might be helpful as we don't have certain articles for the ages (ex. "20 (age)", but then again there's nothing much to say about being a certain age and we already have separate articles denoting the various age spans from birth to old age), but they also suffer from the same problem of uncited statements, and we already mention these facts in the articles for the various stages of aging.

That said, is it really necessary to dedicate whole sections in number articles to its trivial details in culture? I think only stuff about the numbers' impact in mathematics and the history behind said numbers should be documented. Bearswitch (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bearswitch: This is something that you should bring up on the article's talk page and get consensus from other editors. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Bearswitch, I find that the information quite interesting in general although I can both understand that it can be overdone, and other editors would prefer less of it. while I can appreciate a mindset that believes an article about a number should restrict itself to the mathematical properties in the history of the number qua number, I suggest that members exist in many fields other than just mathematics, and that made sense to talk about the usage of the number in other contexts. Where else would you put such interesting information? I have more sympathy about the items that relate to the rather than the number, but I fear I am venturing into points that deserve to be made on the talk page rather than here. S Philbrick (Talk) 19:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Bias

Could you possibly be any more biased towards the left? 40.137.48.226 (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia; this is why the sources are presented to readers so they can examine and judge them for themselves. If you are willing to collaborate with others regardless of political viewpoint, and have independent reliable sources to support information you feel is needed, you are welcome to offer your suggestions on article talk pages. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes. But Earth's inner core obviously needs a more anti-left perspective. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure we could. There's far too much right wing propaganda in the corners of Wikipedia than there should be. Unfortunately, we live in a world right now, at least in the U.S., where correct, empirical facts are considered leftist pinko commie propaganda by many people living in a Fox News-Rush Limbaugh echo chamber, and the mainstream media (the most unbiased, just-the-facts corners of it), are branded leftist because they report reality. Actually they too have been compromised by the conservative movement into at least sipping the Kool-Aid, too scared to call out alternative facts as lies when they butt up against reality, and who think being unbiased is trotting out the kooksiest lunatic fringe to give their opinion on reality, on science; uggg, it makes me sick.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes. S Philbrick (Talk) 19:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Why is the font so small and page format does not lend itself to font enlargement in Chrom browser?

2605:B100:E014:C52B:41E8:DDED:6BB3:CBC7 (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

No one? Okay, I'll try to decode this.

2605:B100:E014:C52B:41E8:DDED:6BB3:CBC7, you can zoom in by holding down the ctrl key and + key. Could you please describe your issue? If its not Wikipdia related, go to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Le Panini ^Talk 20:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Parler Social Media Article/Page

Hello, I would like to edit the Parler article (specifically the "useage" section) to reflect Facebook and Twitters growth in their first 2 years of operation. This would be to provide contrast for Parler's performance since their founding and would provide fair and balanced projections to future investors and users.

How would I go about doing this? I have done the research and most of it is posted on the respected wiki articles about the history of facebook and twitter.

thank you 172.58.188.12 (talk) 16:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. With all due respect, you appear to be one of the IPs from this discussion. Please read WP:SOCKPUPPETRY for an explanation of Wikipedia's policies on this. If I am incorrect for assuming this, please reply with a valid reason. Thanks! Heart ^(talk) 16:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Using different IP addresses is not sockpuppetry- many users have dynamic IPs, so their IP addresses frequently change. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, I am not a puppet or a robot, I use my cellphone right now but I can create an account if I have to? It is understandable that my question might offend you as wiki articles and its users are known for bias, but none the less it is a legit question and I would like to know what I needed to to to have said contrasted information added to the Parler article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.188.12 (talk) 17:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

It appears I have been mistaken, you can request an edit by reading WP:EDITREQUEST as the page is protected at the current moment! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Heart ^(talk) 17:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Registering an account not necessary, but per Heart's answer, article currently locked. At Talk for the article, be specific as to your proposed changes, including references. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. That sounds like original research to me. If you can find a reliable source independent of both companies that compares the growth of two companies, then that comparison may possibly be appropriate in either or both articles, but in the absence of an published independent comparison, it would be quite improper to talk about another company's performance in an article. Note that providing "fair and balancecd projections to future investors and users" is no part of Wikipedia's mission. The fact that you want to do so makes me wonder if you have a connection with Parler? If so, please read Conflict of interest carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there... "it would be quite improper to talk about another company's performance in an article" Yes that is quite ironic because that is all the "usage" section on the Parler article I am referring to does, all that it talks about is Facebook and Twitters performance lol, so you see the irony? In fact reading the "usage" section prompted me to my investigation of the first two years performance of Facebook and Twitter.

Thank you both for your help, I will research further and see what I can accomplish.

Steven

Userbox Editor

How do I become a Userbox editor - meaning someone that can process requests into Userboxes? Charles Juvon (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC) Charles Juvon (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Charles Juvon. Providing you already know how to create Userboxes, and genuinely want to help other users, you can add your name here. At a hasty glance, I didn't see you've made any of your own, yet, though I'm probably mistaken. They're not too difficult to master. In a fit of lockdown madness the other day, I made this for a bit of entertainment:

This user is bike-curious

Enjoy! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick, Thank you for that answer. I thought Userboxes were under some sort of "bureaucratic" control to prevent misuse. So, I will try to make one. Charles Juvon (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: No. Within reason, you are free to create a userbox for your own, or others' use, although there are many that do exist already. Just avoid creating something that others may deem offensive, as that would almost certainly be deleted. Good luck. Let us know what you eventually create! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I don't see a tool for including an image from Commons. Charles Juvon (talk) 02:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: I'm a bit confused by that question - can you explain what you want to do? Adding a Commons image to a userbox is done manually - no 'tool' is needed to do that. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you again. I am starting to figure it out by copying and mutating current Userboxes.Charles Juvon (talk) 22:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

This user is a retired spook.

@Charles Juvon: That is a very sensible approach which I have deployed not only here, but on many other sites where my skill levels aren't quite up to the job, de novo, but where I can certainly contribute by following those who have gone before me! Weird userbox you've created, there! Although on my userpage I declare having worked for the CIA, I would never admit to having been a 'spook'. Who would do that? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: It's meant to be humorous. I disavow ever having worked (knowingly) for John_Deutch! LOL Charles Juvon (talk) 00:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: I know - I know! I like it. My own humorous declaration of my bipedal orientation falls in roughly the same vein. Keep it up. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Rollback permissions for alternate account

Hi fellow Wikipedians,

I currently have two accounts - an alternate one and a primary one. My primary one's been granted the Rollback user right. Does this implicitly suggest my alternate account should automatically have the same privilege when (or if) I ask at WP:Requests for permissions/Rollback? Please ping me using {{ping}} when you post a reply. Thanks. Silikonz (alternate account) (💬│🖋) 00:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Silikonz-alt: Not automatic. Your main account only just got that right, so I would suggest use it on your main account unless you can demonstrate a need to have it on two accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Silikonz (alternate account) (💬│🖋) 00:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Article full of jokes, false information

Hey, I just thought I'd leave this here. Many lines are obviously a joke. Not sure if this is the right place for this. This place seems to be the closest I could find to a centralized message-board area for people who are interested in cleanup or whatever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matball 108.3.158.104 (talk) 02:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to the teahouse and thanks for bringing this to our attention! I've restored an old version of the page with the vandalism removed and have warned the editor involved. Many thanks, Ed talk! 02:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Need help with Judge Roy Bean episode section

I've just spent most of today trying to add an Episode section to the article Judge Roy Bean. I've added episodes to other TV series articles, but today I kept getting formatting messes, and finally ended up with something that wasn't horrible. But there are two mistakes.

When viewing the article there are two }} at the beginning of the section, and I can't figure out why. Also, the References title was appearing before the Episodes, so I deleted ==References== temporarily, planning on putting it back in once I got the Episodes straightened out, but now I can't figure out how to put it back into the article so that it appears in the proper place.

Right now I can't think straight, so could some kind soul go to Judge Roy Bean and fix my mistakes for me. Thank you in advance for correcting my problems. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I just checked Judge Roy Bean and the problems have been fixed. Thank you to all the Teahouse experts who help editors, like myself, who know many things, but sometimes get stumped by problems we can't figure out how to fix. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Is Warren Zevon's "Accidentally Like A Martyr" notable or should I move on to something else?

Hello Wikipedia Editors! I am new to this so please excuse anything odd I do here. (And polite advice correcting my behaviour is welcomed!)

I created a DRAFT Article on Warren Zevon's song 'Accidentally Like Martyr'. I did this because on the main Warren Zevon article there is a list of five song in the opening paragraph: "Poor Poor Pitiful Me", "Accidentally Like a Martyr", "Mohammed's Radio", "Carmelita", and "Hasten Down the Wind". All of these songs except "Accidentally Like a Martyr" have separate articles. I felt possibly it should also have a separate article -- but I'm still new at determining notability. So I wrote of the draft. In doing so I found significant references from different sources. The article was rejected for lack of notability by a very knowledgeable editor (WP.NSONG)

So my question is: Should I work to improve the support for the draft article or should I forget it and move along to something else?

Thanks! Rob J RJHeron (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

RJHeron Your draft Draft:Accidentally Like a Martyr was Declined actually, which is less severe than Rejected. Reasons given by the reviewer, including not meeting the guidelines at WP:SONG. Be aware that some of the songs you listed as examples are in fact articles, but criticized for lacking references. David notMD (talk) 02:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Magazine cover

I tried to insert the cover of a magazine in the page that belongs to that magazine and it does not let me. Why? Newseditorusa (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Newseditorusa. What happens when you try? Does the problem happen when you try to upload the cover image or when you try to use it in the article? See Help:Files. —teb728 t c 03:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted

Why is talk thyme removal of copyrighted images erratic?
From my talk page:
" Most but not all copyrighted are marked for removal. A ROBOT was my erroneous postulate because, for example, AGATE_IMG_4478 image is marked for removal with a stated reason that author and source are not identified, HOWEVER, just below the removal warning is a template which identifies the author and source as me. -- Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC) " ( PROBLEM LIST https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&user=Mawcowboybillsbrick7&ilshowall=1 ) Please help me remove my violations which I have yet to be accused by talk thyme for copyright violation. I AM LOCKED OUT OF COMMONS BY HERBY BUT HERBY IS OUT! -- Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 09:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

If you've been blocked on Commons, then you will need to appeal your unblock over there, as English Wikipedia has no control over Commons. But I can see that many of your uploads contain copyright and all rights reserved on them, which is not compatible with a free licence that Commons requires. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And as explained on your talkpage, Herbythyme is not a robot- they are a human who has been reviewing your images. Please stop calling them a robot, as this could be perceived as a personal attack. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Again: you have a temporary block at Commons. Have you tried to post to your Commons user talk page? According to your block log, you are not prevented from doing that. In case you are in fact not able to post to your Commons user talk page now, you can address that by email to the blocking administrator, as described here, but since your block will expire in a couple of days, you could also simply wait it out. --bonadea contributions talk 09:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Trump Nobel nomination

Hi, I want to mention the two Nobel peace prize nominations to Donald Trump’s profile. I have no idea how to find the admin who can approve this, can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactfinderNZ (talk • contribs) 10:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FactfinderNZ Admins do not approve or deny edits. Wikipedia does not have "profiles", it has articles. You are welcome to make the edit yourself, or if you cannot, make an edit request on the article talk page. Please check the article carefully, I'd be surprised if that hasn't been mentioned yet, though. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Since anyone can be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, this is somewhat meaningless.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: this user is now blocked. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for making legal threats concerning a different article. Has withdrawn legal threats as part of request to have block removed. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Acceptable sources

Hello fellow wikipedians! I am currently writing an article on a YouTuber, and used "unacceptable sources" such as Twitter and SocialBlade. I was wondering what sources would be acceptable because other sources that I could find were all dubiously unsourced. Cheers! Azpineapple (talk) 05:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Azpineapple: see WP:RS. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And WP:BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Azpineapple I'm afraid very few proposed articles on YouTubers succeed in establishing their notability. I suggest you read WP:NYOUTUBE for guidance.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you all so much! Azpineapple (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why submitting the draft for review

If editors can move a page from draft to article directly, then why there is the process of submitting the draft for review. Adishere (talk) 12:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Adishere. I think there are a couple of reasons for this.

Not all editors may be able to move a page. I believe only WP:AUTOCONFIRMED accounts can do so, but there might be other reasons as to why an editor might not be able to do so.
Not all editors should be moving a page. Lots of poor articles are created by editors who might mean well, but just don’t know enough about creating a proper Wikipedia article to do so; so, lots of articles (particularly by newer editors) often end up being draftified or otherwise tagged or nominated for deletion. There are also editors who might be trying to create articles about subject for which they have a WP:COI or maybe even are subject to WP:PAID; so, even though these editors might mean well, they might not have a good understanding of WP:NOT and there effort might be too promotional or too soon for a Wikipedia article to be written.

Submitting a draft for review is optional, but drafts accepted by experience reviewers do seem to have more staying power when it comes to Wikipedia notability because reviewers generally don’t accept drafts that they think will end up quickly nominated for deletion for lack of notability. It’s not a 100% guarantee that a draft approved by a reviewer will never end up nominated for deletion, but there does seem to be less of a chance of that happening. Even so, many good articles have been created that were never submitted for review as a draft. So, if someone thinks they can create a proper article without submitting a draft, then they’re free to give it a try. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adishere: I'll just add, if I may, that everything put into what we call 'Mainspace' (i.e. the live encyclopaedia that everyone can see) needs to be of encyclopaedic quality right from the very start. If it isn't, it's highly likely to be deleted - often 'speedily deleted' - as 'promotional' or 'non-notable'. Only if a poor article is deemed to have a degree of merit worth improving might it be moved into draft space. By contrast, an editor submitting a draft via Articles for creation process is able to receive helpful feedback as to what needs to be addressed to make it acceptable. It can be submitted multiple times (providing genuine steps have been made to improve it between each one). Using a metaphor of an athletics track, whilst going via AFC might initially seem to be placing extra hurdles to jump over to reach the finishing line of Wikipedia Mainspace, the alternative is that someone trying to reach that finishing line by taking a shortcut is quite likely to simply find themselves disqualified, and with no leeway given. Whichever of these two routes are taken, all the new articles arriving in Mainspace still have to go through one further 'New Page Review' process before we allow Google to index them. At that point it can be deleted, draftified or send for a deletion discussion. Each step has its backlogs, so patience is always needed, as everything here is done by volunteers who give their time generously. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Do I always need third-party sources

If I want to update numbers for a company, like revenue or AUM, which on the Wiki article are outdated, but the only place I can find more recent numbers is the company's own website, can I use the website as the source for the new numbers? Thanks. Pollstart (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pollstart. Yes, for minor details like staff numbers, number of fleet vehicles, turnover, it's normally accepted that using links from the company's own website is acceptable if no other source can be found. Please make sure you don't forget to check any existing link is also updated to reflect newer content. Such sources should not, however, be used to write about the company in broader terms. Here, as you clearly understand, reliable third party sources are needed, and not those based upon press releases from that company. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Athletic Newham FC page

We would like to change the club badge 84.67.93.11 (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP user, I have uploaded the new logo File:Athletic Newham Logo.jpg for you, and changed the logo on the Athletic Newham F.C. page. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Upload image

Hi, Is there any body who can tell me how to upload my image on wikipedia. Tahirabbasbaig (talk) 14:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tahirabbasbaig: Try the Upload Wizard at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tahirabbasbaig: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't try to upload an image of yourself to accompany the page you created about yourself (Tahirabbasbaig). I'm afraid I have just deleted it. You might have been under the impression that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit and that anyone can create a LinkedIn-like profile about themselves here. The former is true; the latter is certainly not. We are not a free hosting site for people, and any image of that sort would be deleted, as would any such article. Sorry this sounds harsh, but this encyclopaedia is only for articles about Notable topics or Notable people. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahirabbasbaig (talk • contribs) 16:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Editor on my page

Hi! Could someone please inform me, whether I can make someone else editor on my page? Thanks a lot! Helen Schott (talk) 11:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Helen Schott. Pages on Wikipedia do not have just one editor: almost anyone can edit almost any page. Does that answer what you want to know? —teb728 t c 11:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Helen Schott, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that you have done what many new editors do, and plunged straight into possibly the hardest task there is - creating a new article - before having learnt how Wikipedia works. As teb728 says, almost anybody in the world can edit almost any article (or other page): nothing belongs to a particular editor. However, the page where you have tried to create an article is your User page, which is not for articles, but for you to share (if you choose) some information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor.

The article you have started to write there shows another very common mistake for new editors: you have written it without including any references. This is like building a house and expecting to add the foundations afterwards: the references are, in a very real way, the foundations of any Wikipedia article. Please have a look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine (talk), thanks for the information. I know I did not put references, but I have not finished at all yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Schott (talk • contribs) 13:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helen Schott: Just to try to help you understand: It is convention that nobody edits another person's sandbox article(s) unless the user who created it explicitly invites someone/others to do that (or if another editor spots unacceptable content such as copyrighted material). Whilst Draft articles are more open for others to edit, it is still also common practice for most other editors to stay away. But if any do spot errors or want to add suggestions, they are free to do so, and I hope you'd be understanding of that. Once a draft article has been accepted into the main encyclopaedia, absolutely anyone is free to contribute to its improvement, of course.

BTW: When drafting articles it is always better to start by collating the references, and then only to use what they say to write article content. That way (and especially when you have a conflict of interest, or know someone personally) you don't fall into the trap of writing what you happen to know, rather than only what existing sources say. I admit to having done both, myself, but the second way is better. Here's a helpful guide on citing sources such as books, journals or websites: WP:REFBEGIN.

Also: I have re-enabled your main Userpage for its intended purpose (i.e. to say a little about yourself and your editing interests, rather than being a redirect to your draft) and have copied your COI declaration from Draft:Ron M.A. Heeren to that page for you. Does that all make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nick Moyes thanks again for the information, although it sounds very complicated, but I will try to manage. I would like to invite a colleague who is copywriter and has more experience with this to my sandbox so that she can edit. Could you tell me how I should do that? Or where I can find that instruction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Schott (talk • contribs) 15:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helen Schott: Editing Wikipedia is like learning to drive. Start slowly, build up speed as confidence grows and only travel to distant destinations when you know you're ready. (But think of a brand new article as a 'big destination' - it's the hardest task anyone can do here.) There is no need to formally invite someone to edit on your sandbox page. Just send them the link (either by email or by leaving a note on their usertalk page.) They can also edit your sandbox as an unregistered IP, if they wish. My only suggestion is to leave a note on the page you want them to edit on, clarifying that it's OK for them to do that. The message would actually be aimed at people like me - or other editors - who might stumble across it and wrongly conclude someone was tampering with your sandbox. Make sure you add in the key references - copywriting is no use if the source material isn't already there for them to work from. Having learned how to add references by reading WP:REFBEGIN (or my own guide at WP:ERB), should you want to reuse one reference in different places, there is help at WP:REFNAME. I advise using our source editor (the one you have to use to edit this page) as it's easier to add citations with it than in Visual Editor. But the choice is yours. At the very least, just paste in bare urls into your draft to assist your friend to extract stuff from those sources. I suspect he will met our notability criteria for academics, but see WP:NPROF to guide you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! Anyone can edit a page, unless it’s protected (e.g Donald Trump due to recent vandalism)

Thanks ~ Ulyvoei

Why do edits disappear after "preview" is selected?

I spent about an hour doing proposed edits to an article, selecting "preview" to look at my progress. When I returned to "edit" funciton my edits were gone. Did I hit the wrong link? Vernon Miles Kerr (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Vernon Miles Kerr, It seems you probably used your browser to navigate out, instead of using the 'x' button in the preview window. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 16:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vernon Miles Kerr: That can be really annoying. Another cause (where I sometimes lose edits myself) is when I use my mobile phone to edit from. I might pause for a while and then return, only to find the phone's first action is to wake up, refresh the screen for me, and thus lose all my edits. It is never wise on any platform to spend an hour editing without saving - and the same goes here on Wikipedia. Previewing is always sensible, but I'm sorry you lost your hard work and that it doesn't put you off from contributing. Making smaller edits and saving each one with an edit summary really is the best way to proceed. It also allows you to find and perhaps revert specific edits you don't like without removing all the rest. Every page here has a 'View History' tab or link which lets you see the history of every (saved) edit made to it from the day it was created. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FWIW I always copy my edits to the clipboard before previewing or publishing. This is also useful in the case of an edit conflict.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Where to put references

In Wikipedia, what is the classic way of placing references? In other words, should I put references before or after the period? D4135t (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC) D4135t (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t: If you mean whether <ref> tag comes before or after punctuation, it's after. In other words, first close the sentence, then reference it: ...end of sentence.<ref> See WP:FN. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

See the also appropriately named MOS:REFPUNCT.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Deleting a category?

Hello! I recently noticed a couple of categories that I believe are extraneous. These extraneous categories essentially duplicate other categories that are more populated with articles (i.e. the original category is used on more articles). I see that under the instructions for Wikipedia:Proposed deletion that the proposed deletion template is not be used on category pages. Is there another way that I could proposed a category for deletion? Thanks! Joeyvandernaald (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

The venue you're looking for is Categories for discussion! bibliomaniac 1 5 18:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Unreferenced editing at Mitch Craft

Hi All! I'm unsure how to deal with this. The BLP article at Mitch Craft has been heavily edited today by one or more IP editors (the IPv6 addresses are very similar but not identical), mostly without citing any sources. I was going to revert it all back to the last edit before today (from Feb 2018), but that was also pretty poorly referenced; in fact, the article has had the BLP refimprove tag on since 2014. I then thought of proposing it for AfD on notability grounds, but I couldn't work out whether it satisfies WP:NGRIDIRON or not. Any advice welcome. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: I can only address one point, and will leave it to others to answer the rest (as I detest sports articles - sorry). All those edits were made by one user (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1700:5030:28B0:113D:6743:97CD:2413/64)

Many IPv6 users have systems that regularly, and without them knowing, switch addresses within what's know as the '/64 range' Normally this is innocent - unless you can see damaging edits and a person switching to avoid detection. All you ever need to do is add /64 to the end of the url of an IPv6 editor's list of contributions to see all the edits they've made, irrespective of precise address details. Obviously, uncited and disputable new content should be removed immediately if it is damaging to the person or their reputation. Or you could flag areas of concern with a {{cn}} template. I must leave others to comment on the edits themselves or further actions on notability you may take (Dinner is also calling). Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: I have partially reverted the edits as they included a blatant copyright infringement – revdeleted the history, posted a notice to the talk page and warned the IP (probably uselessly, given their dynamic IP). (Nick: great info about "/64", I will find that handy in the future, thanks!) As to what to do, I too have no interest in this subject and doing WP:BEFORE due diligence – what I think would be needed in order to know whether an AfD would be warranted – is not something I wish to spend time on, but doing that is the route I advise. Of course, if such a search turns up enough substantive coverage in reliable, secondary sources to sustain a proper article, then verifying the existing content, removing what can't be verified, and expanded with what is found is the ideal. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Fuhghettaboutit: I did a quick BEFORE, but couldn't find anything beyond a couple of ESPN listings. The sources in the article are pretty rubbish, needless to say. So WP:GNG is probably out. What I wasn't sure about was whether this sort of indoor football counts as one of the major leagues required for football-specific notability; especially as I'm not American and don't know this stuff, I thought I'd better ask first. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the IPv6 advice, @Nick Moyes: one day I might even get my head around IPv6, although old dogs and new tricks come to mind... :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit and DoubleGrazing: What we all need is a simple-to-use button at Special:Contributions to display the /64 range. It's impossible for me on my tiny iPhone screen even to display the far end of a user's url in landscape mode to manually add the /64 to it. Somebody suggested I request a script to add that functionality, but I think it's so important that everyone needs access to it, and that it should be built in as a tool on that page. I also would like to see some sort of cascading/copying of talk page contents across the IP range so that a new IPv6 address in that range gets to see a copy of the latest edits/warnings, irrespective of what individual page it was left on. One for the boffins to fix, I think. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Sounds like a good idea, and presumably one that gets more important all the time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing:, WP:NGRIDIRON doesn't appear to think so. While the Arena Football League is listed as a qualifying league for notability purposes, the sources state that the AFL folded before Craft played a game for them. The Southern Indoor Football League does not, so unless he meets WP:BASIC on some other basis, this should be sent to AfD. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) @Nick Moyes: If you ever request such a thing, please do drop me a note so that I can add my support. @DoubleGrazing: The subject-specific notability guidelines (SSNG) are about (are supposed to be about, but not all properly clarify) presumed notability—'X is likely to be a notable topic, because Y status he/she/they/it fall within usually means, in turn, that the necessary sources upon which notability is founded will exist for topics with that status.' They provide, thus, rebuttable presumptions. In other words, if one does a hard dive into a topic's sourcing and determines that (despite falling within some SSNG criterion) suitable sourcing simply does not exist, an AfD is still warranted.

Having said that, and though mileage may vary, there is inevitably a significant time commitment required to meet ones own requirement of due diligence before going to AfD – time one may not wish to expend – for a "deep" dive into looking for sources in order to be able to say in sum and substance "I've looked widely, and, despite meeting X SSNG criterion, the sources don't appear to exist [so delete]"; knowing how to do that dive (where to look for sourcing) is generally a matter of long experience, and subject to familiarity in a topic category, which for this topic, you've already indicated you don't have. You might possibly tap into some of that expertise with a post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit, Nick Moyes, and Eggishorn: Thanks for all the advice and pointers, much appreciated. I'll run this by the American 'football' (!) project, and might then propose AfD as well. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Editing changes nothing

Every time I try to edit the gallery of this page, nothing happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Dandini I want to add links to the people in the gallery and add dates of the paintings. I fill out the edits like normal, and when I click preview it shows that I have edited, but once I publish they disappear and nothing in the article is changed. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Welcome to the Teahouse, Helpfulwikieditoryay. What are you trying to do? I was able to add a Wikilink with this edit. —teb728 t c 03:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Most of the titles need links, such as St Ines, St Cecilia, Armida, Magdalene. I want to add dates to the works as well. I try to edit and nothing happens. I publish the changes and it just stays the same as before. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. So what specifically are you trying to do with St Ines. Presently it is

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''St Ines''</center>

—teb728 t c 04:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I want to make it link to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome while it stays titled as St Ines Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. Done with

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''[[St Ines]]''</center>

If you tried

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome St Ines]''</center>

That probably would fail because bracket inside a gallery tag can only be used for "wikilinks", which maybe do not include external links. If St Ines were not redirected to Agnes of Rome, the wikilink would be [[Agnes of Rome|St Ines]]. —teb728 t c 06:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I didn't do anything differently than any other time I edit. It also doesn't let me change the captions at all. I tried to change Rinaldo and Armida to Rinaldo and Armida, 1635 and nothing happens. Thank you for your help! Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. Do you see what I did here for St Ines? I notice that you are in the habit of using external links like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome St Ines] (with single brackets and a url); that doesn't work gallery tags. You have to use internal links like [[St Ines]] or [[Agnes of Rome|St Ines]] (with double brackets and an article name). If that doesn't work for you, post your code here (without the enclosing gallery tag). —teb728 t c 19:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

That helps a lot, thank you! Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

HOW DO WE PUT IMFO OUT ABOUT A CELEBRITY THERE IMFO AND CAREER.

How do we put out information about a celebrity there information and career. Total package rap group (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Total package rap group, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the answer is, you probably don't. Many people mistake Wikipedia for a social media site, on which people can promote themselves, or their activities: it is not. It is an encyclopaedia, and promotion of any kind is forbidden. If your celebrity meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that several people wholly unconnected with them, and not prompted or provided information on behalf of them, have chosen to publish material about them in reliable sources. If that is the case, then we could have a properly written article about them. It would not belong to them or their agents, it will not be under their control, it will probably not say what they would want it to say, and it should contain almost no information that comes directly from them. If you are their agents, then you are discouraged from creating an article on them; but if you insist on doing so, you will have to start by making the mandatory declaration of paid editing, and then, having found those independent sources, you will have to forget everything you know about your celebrity, and write the article based on what those independent sources say. Please see your first article if you wish to pursue this. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Image Help

Hi! I'm Dswitz10734 and I am an autoconfirmed editor. I'm having trouble adding an image to an article. Whenever I try to add it, it comes up on the far right and is on the line that shows the next section. I put it in an infobox. Is there an imagebox I should be using? Or something else? Please help! :) Dswitz10734 (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Dswitz10734 (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dswitz10734, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to be sure when you don't tell us what file and what article, but usually that problem arises because you are giving the wrong syntax to the infobox. I'm guessing that the article is Ronna McDaniel, and if you look at the source code for that, you will see that the infobox contains the line

|image        = Ronna McDaniel.jpg

I'm guessing that you have tried

|image        = [[File:Ronna McDaniel at a press conference.png]]

which may well have the result you are seeing. (I was going to point you at the documentation for Template:infobox officeholder, but as far as I can see this doesn't make it clear). --ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Richard Miller (cryptographer)

Link: Draft:Richard Miller (cryptographer)

What could be done to improve this draft? Is there anything I can do to make the review process easier or expediated? Anthonymarvinogallagher (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Here's how it starts: "Richard 'Z' Miller is an American cryptographer, and composer. He has been influential in the development of cryptography throughout the 2010’s and is an active researcher in the field." The draft thereafter seems to say nothing whatever about his compositions or research, to say nothing that's both clear and referenced about his cryptography, and to say nothing about his influence other than something obscure about "Qanon". There is something about his cryptography, but it's sourced to an obscure website that seems to have taken what it says from 4chan (oh dear). All this seems utterly unconvincing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Anthonymarvinogallagher: Improve? Yes, of course: please read this page. You wrote: "Miller is known for being a ‘privacy freak’." Doh! That's really going to piss him off, then, isn't it. This looks like a hoax article, with pictures taken by you claiming to be him. (Clearly a lover of privacy). Certainly nothing that would meet WP:NBIO. Move along please, everyone. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Well said, Nick Moyes; but before moving along, I started commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:RichardZMiller.jpg. Somebody may wish to examine the second illustration too. -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Interesting. This second image is attributed to secrecy freak, RichardMiller, but uploaded by Anthonymarvinogallagher, who has redirected the author link for Miller to their own userpage on Commons. But it claims to come from a mysterious group called Cicada 3301, on whose page mystery man Miller is not mentioned. Even if genuine, the image must belong to Cicada 3301, and not one or other of the project users involved in this weird draft. There is already a non-free image rationale on that page for the Cicada logo, and a second image, even under a non-free rationale, seems inappropriate. I have therefore nominated it for deletion as a copyvio. There really is too much 'woo-woo' in this draft (and nothing linking to properly published WP:RS that meets Wikipedia notability criteria) for it to do anything but linger as a draft until such time as it is deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:22, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: So Nick Moyes should I start by editing that page? WP:RS states News Sources are fine as well, should I just replace sources with more News Articles even if they are not immediately relevant?

@Hoary: Hoary These are both public images. His picture is from Twitter. I have received permission to use the Storyflesh and picture from the individual as well. There is no copyright information for either Anthonymarvinogallagher (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Anthonymarvinogallagher, that makes no sense to me, but if you're going to pursue it anywhere then commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:RichardZMiller.jpg is the place. -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Advice on understanding Wiki

Hi!!! I am here to ask for advice from experienced editors like yourselves! The reason I am here on wikipedia is due to a university project focused on understanding the heart of wikipedia, one I am not clear on but understand it is centered on informing people around the world, as well as the constant volunteer effort to make sure said knowledge is valid. is there a way I can communicate with the many people in wikipedia? and conversate about their own efforts and motivations?

Thank you all, really appreciate your help. Reciprocal learning yute (talk) 22:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Reciprocal learning yute, as I understand tertiary education on any subject -- biochemistry, political science, geology, clinical psychology, websites -- the student starts by acquiring background knowledge from lectures, seminars and books, and, once moderately informed, may continue by asking questions of practitioners. There's an extensive academic literature on Wikipedia. Once you've read some of it, you'll know which questions to ask. -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Reciprocal learning yute: It is hard to answer your question without knowing more about your 'university project'. Are you collecting information for an essay or tutorial that needs to be done next week? Or are you doing a 6 week student project with some a question to answer that you've not yet devised? Or are you at the start of some sort of year-long social sciences Masters degree? Or a PhD? If you can tell us more about your needs for help and information, we can possibly direct you better. (For example, there would be no point us suggesting you engage with senior staff at the Wikimedia Foundation's research groups if all you're wanting is a few quotes to pop in to a 500 word essay - or vice versa). But to understand the basic of Wikipedia, here are two three good pages to start:

Wikipedia - the public Wikipedia article about, well, Wikipedia
Wikipedia:About
Wikipedia:Five pillars - us in a nutshell
Help:Getting started
Wikipedia:Statistics

Whilst you may receive various suggestions of places where you might interact with other editors to understand their motives for editing, please avoid the easy mistake of posting the same request for information in multiple places, or on numerous editors' talk pages. This could serve only to irritate a lot of people if all you really only came here for was a simple bit of help with next week's essay. For more serious research on Wikipedia there are various routes you can follow. But please tell us more about your project first. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

How are you? 70.174.96.57 (talk) 23:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The Teahouse is a friendly help forum about editing Wikipedia - do you need any advice from us? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Image question

I uploaded an imaged that had a mistake and said it was copyrighted but it is a free content image Waarmo (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Waarmo. Please make our lives much easier by kindly linking to the image you uploaded and also linking to the source from where it came from. How do you know the image was incorrectly copyrighted, may we ask? I assume this relates to images you want to use at Draft:Paul F. Yount. It's worth adding (having looked at your talk page) that 'fair use' images can only be used in mainspace articles, and not in drafts or userpages. If that's the issue, you would need to wait until your draft is accepted at AFC review, and only then upload an appropriate image. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Here c:File:Paul_F_Yount.jpg is the image i wan too upload and there is no legal copyright on this image. I typed copyright on the image but the artist has told me that there is no legal copyright on the image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waarmo (talk • contribs) .

@Waarmo: What the artist "tells you" is irrelevant. If there's no Creative Commons commercial re-use licence (or equivalent) on the site you took it from, you may not upload it. It's especially annoying that you've now uploaded the same image twice, as the first time it was marked for deletion (see here).

If the artist genuinely wants to release the image for commercial reuse, we can't just go on their say so from you. They may, however, follow a set procedure that Wikimedia Commons has, which will involve them sending in an email to what is called their 'OTRS' Team, including a set form of words which the experts there will check and approve the image for Commons -reuse. If you are in close contact with the artist, the alternative is for you to ask them to release it with an appropriate CC-BY-SA licence statement on their own website. You didn't give me a link to it, so I'm unable to check if they've done that, and am not willing to spend time wading through websites on the off-chance of finding it. Of course, if you do know the artist, please ensure you declare your Conflict of Interest on your talk page, if you've not already done so. I would suggest it best to wait until your draft has been accepted before asking anyone to jump through all these hoops. I should also point out that we here at English Wikipedia don't deal with images - the administrators over at Wikimedia Commons have a help noticeboard where you can seek more detailed advice. Does this all make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I deleted the image ([6]). This was deleted due to copyright laws. I did not want to be"especially annoying" as you put it in uploading the image twice. There is no image now that creates a copyright issue. I have followed all steps and have complied. I have not asked you to do any extreme laborious work on this but thank you for your suggestions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waarmo (talk • contribs)

Thank you, Waarmo - that's much appreciated. Good luck with your draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft page deleted

I don't understand how Wikipedia operates. I am an author of chess books, inventor of chess variants and owner and sole contributor of a website (http://history.chess.free.fr). I wanted to create a page for Shako a game that I invented 30 years ago and which is cited in several books, developed on some apps and played online. I did it with 1) exposing my conflict of interest and asking help of a more neutral person, 2) using parts (not all) of the text I had written on my own web site. 24h after posting my draft I've got a very unpleasant message asking for deletion for copyright infringement. I immediatly, rewrote my OWN words in a different manner. 24h after, my draft has been simply deleted for copyright infrigement and unambiguous conflict of interest. How people can be so poorly emphatic?Cazaux (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Cazaux (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cazaux, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you have had a rough ride, but I'm afraid that, yes, you don't understand how Wikipedia operates. In an article about a game you invented, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that you have said, written, or published about it. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about it, in reliable sources. (This is a slight overstatement: uncontroversial factual information such as places and dates may come from sources connected with you, if they are added to a solid article from independent sources). If there is enough such reliably published independent material available to ground an article, then we can have one: you are discouraged from writing it yourself, but permitted to if you are open about your relationship, and use the AFD system. But you will need to forget everything you know about the game, and write based on what the independent commentators have published. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Cazaux, sorry to hear you've been encountering so much difficulty. Copyright stuff can be weird, but here's the approach I'd take. First, you'd have to put a notice on your website that you license the content under an appropriate Creative Commons license. This would allow you to import the text to Wikipedia without creating a copyright issue. Second, you'd need to ensure that the game meets the general notability guideline. If you give us links to significant coverage of Shako from independent sources, we can give you an idea of that. Lastly, you'd need to write the article in an appropriately encyclopedic manner, without self-promotion etc. It looks like Jimfbleak was the deleting admin of Draft:Shako (chess variant). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Company name change

If a company changes their name, and you have reflected this truth in a Wikipedia article, then why does someone keep deleting the true & correct information? NantucketHistory (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi NantucketHistory. Have you looked at the article in question's page history for the the edit summaries accompanying the revert of your changes? It's almost always useful when asking a question here to be specific about what page is involved. I am guessing here that you are referring in your question to Zcash. If you look at the history of that article, two of the reverts of your edits (here and here), as examples, had these edit summary:

"Rv - no citations in mainstream RSes, only cited to blogs and crypto sites", and

"rm crypto sources; rm claims cited only to primary sources".

To translate a bit, "Rv"= revert; "rm"= remove; "RSes"= reliable sources. For additional context, please see primary sources, WP:BLOGS, the section immediately below that one, at the shortcut WP:ABOUTSELF and please also note Wikipedia:Edit warring and Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@NantucketHistory: To answer in a more general fashion: It can definitely be frustrating when you know the name change is a true fact, but we can't really make the change in the article if it's not verifiably true in reliable sources. Presumably the sources will come in due time, but per policy we have to go with what the reliable sources say now. Hope this helps, and feel free to ask further questions. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 21:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@NantucketHistory: Adding more context to the great answers above, Wikipedia requires that its article subjects demonstrate notability. With companies, one way for this is to show independent media coverage about the company. With most notable companies, when they change their name, it is news and is immediately reported, somewhere. If a name change can't be sourced due to lack of coverage of the change, that suggests the company's notability isn't quite where we want it to be. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Mandakini River

Hey guys, I was wondering if i Could get some help with the final edits for my assignment at the University of Sydney, Australia. I have been editing the Mandakini River for a couple months I would like some help cleaning it up. Thank you very much in advance. FiertlA (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)FiertlA FiertlA (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FiertlA, If you believe its coming down to its final edits, why don't you try to promote the article to Good Article status? It's a good way to prove that the article is a good example of what Wikipedia is about. Plus, it gets a fancy green plus sign in the corner! Check out Wikipedia:Good articles for what it is, how to nominate the article, and the process. Le Panini ^Talk 00:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) FiertlA, fantastic work! I made a few small tweaks, but overall, you've massively improved the page; I reassessed it from stub-class (the lowest class) to B-class (the highest class available for articles that have not undergone a formal review). Since you've expanded the article by more than 5x within the past week, you can submit a fun fact from it to WP:DYK if you'd like, where it'll appear on Wikipedia's main page (just don't wait on it, or you'll miss the deadline). You could also consider nominating it for good article status, where you'd work with a reviewer to bring it up to a high quality standard (the caveat there is that it'll probably take a few months before a reviewer is available, since there's a backlog). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Ref #10 is same as #8. May be in better format than #8. Authors names for journal articles usually last name and initials of other names (no periods). I did some. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Problem submitting draft

Hi. I created a draft through Article Wizard at Draft:Jordan Cohen. But it doesn't have the buttons to submit a draft. Can someone please help me? I'm confused as to what to do, and this seems to need an expert. User:Seraphimblade - maybe you can figure it out? I see you deleted a prior draft with that name (I imagine on a different person, since this one is a dry bio and clearly notable because he plays in the Premier League). Thanks. --2604:2000:E010:1100:C56C:C1B8:42EA:F43 (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. I have added a submit block to the top of your draft. —teb728 t c 05:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Wow. You are so helpful and so quick. Thank you very much. I had no idea this page was so great. --2604:2000:E010:1100:C56C:C1B8:42EA:F43 (talk) 05:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Louis Ng Chun Hau

Hi, may I know can someone please assist me to upload the contents to Wikipedia or can I find a third-party to complete the tasks? Previously, I uploaded two times but still rejected by wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Louis_Ng_Chun_Hau Publicgoldmkt2020 (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Publicgoldmkt2020 (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Publicgoldmkt2020 Your draft was declined for being written like an advertisement (not for lack of sources).

My take is: I can't tell from your draft why Louis Ng Chun Hau would be important enough to have an article about him in an encyclopedia; most businessmen are not that important.

If your username indicates that you are employed by Public Gold Marketing of PG Group, read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. And if you are being paid directly or indirectly for editing Wikipedia, you must comply with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Your conflict of interest may be the reason why you are unable to write from the required neutral point of view. —teb728 t c 09:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How do i fix the formatting in Hatpipliya_(Vidhan_Sabha_constituency)

In Hatpipliya_(Vidhan_Sabha_constituency), the 2018 results somehow appear below the references. How do i fix this? MPGuy2823 (talk) 09:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi MPGuy2823 that page was using Template:Election box begin, and so needed to add Template:Election box end at the bottom of the results. When I did this, it looks to be working now. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Joseph2302 for the super-quick response, i've been scratching my head about this for some time MPGuy2823 (talk) 09:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

What qualifies as a 'published secondary source'?

The description I get from following the link is too vague. Waffleknight (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Waffleknight, is the link you're referring to to WP:SECONDARY? If you have a particular source in mind, feel free to give us a link and we can probably let you know. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have a specific site to show since I'm not sure where the work has and hasn't been reviewed. For context, I was trying to create a page about a novel which I know about because I've read it myself. Can you provide a couple general examples so I know where to look on that topic? Waffleknight (talk) 08:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Waffleknight, for a novel, generally what you'd be looking for are reviews from a professional reviewer (as opposed to just some enthusiast's blog). So, for instance, [7] and [8] together establish the notability of The Vegetarian. Looking for notability-qualifying sources is the first thing you should do when considering writing a new page, since you don't want to waste your time drafting it if it isn't notable. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Sri Lanka Police

Hi I'm very new to Wikipedia, I am editing this page -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Police#History and the list in the History section seems to come from one singe source. How do I go about citing it? Do I place the same inline citation at the end of every point in the list but that seems not to be the proper way... Sorry if this question has been asked before. Thanks! JMLCarvalho (talk) 03:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi JMLCarvalho, what I usually do for such lists is to add a brief "introductory" phrase such as "Timeline of significant events:" above the list with the reference directly after it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much I'll do the same JMLCarvalho (talk) 09:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

JMLCarvalho, Dodger67 answered your specific question above, but if you'd like more general help on referencing, you may find Help:Referencing for beginners helpful. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Good Morning. I need some help please!

I am so lost on here. I want to have my famous dog on wikipedia and I don't know how to go about it. I want to change the name on my account, as that seems to stop me writing about him and I cannot do that either. Can someone please help me do this? I would be very grateful Kind regards Tess Kratu the rescue dog (talk) 08:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Tess. Whatever your username you will not be allowed to publicize your dog here: Wikipedia is not a website that allows publicity. If you want to do something else, the easiest thing would be to abandon this account and create a new one. —teb728 t c 09:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Kratu the rescue dog This dog? [9][10][11] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Yes it is him. He has been featured many times on many platforms.

Replied at User talk:Kratu the rescue dog. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask questions for biology forum?

Hello! I wish to ask biologists (and hence chemists) on how G3P is synthesized into glucose but I don't know where. WP:WC is only for article creations, as far as I know. So do any of you know any Wikipedia projects or forums kinda like the teahouse where I can ask biology questions? Thank u very much :))) Ice bear johny meowy123 08:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ice bear johny. It sounds like what you're looking for is Wikipedia:Reference desk. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

AHHHHHH THANK U VERY MUCHHHHHH

@Ice bear johny: or you could actually do the research yourself online and develop your web-searching skills en route. Try this in Google. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The answers which appear are only for animal cells, which is impertinent considering we're learning photosynthesis in plant cells :(. Thanks for the suggestion though :>>> Ice bear johny meowy123 11:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The grading system

Hello, I was just wondering what grade or class the crown (anatomy) article currently stands at. I have been working on adding information to the article (previously was a stub) and wanted to know whether the article is now a C or B class. Thank you very much. Physiotherapist1234 (talk) 00:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Physiotherapist1234 (talk) 00:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Ask the relevant WikiProjects. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 00:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Crown (anatomy) was recently upgraded from Stub to C-class. David notMD (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I recommend deleting the Gorham disease section, as condition is so rare as to not deserve space in such a general article. David notMD (talk) 06:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you very much for your reply. I am very happy that my hard work has paid off and my article has reached a C class and I appreicate your advice. What can I do more to make my article a B class? Thank you very much. Physiotherapist1234 (talk) 11:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Ref formatting needs some work to be consistent, but in my opinion the greatest flaw is making choice of whether the title of the article should be changed to Crown (human anatomy) and all the non-human content removed, or else have sections that deal with other mammals, birds, fish, reptiles amphibians, dinosaurs, evolution David notMD (talk) 12:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is this article is not an advertisement?

Hi everyone, i just removed few content from the article Mphasis. I removed only promotional content. But Prolix has undid my edits. I am just curious whether this content is not promotional as i have seen many articles on Wikipedia where this type of content sounds promotional and removed immediately then why not here? 2401:4900:40F6:71BE:24A3:F86E:30E2:3D05 (talk) 12:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC) 2401:4900:40F6:71BE:24A3:F86E:30E2:3D05 (talk) 12:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, it seems its because you removed the entire section without context. If you believe its sound promotional, re-write it in a neutral point of view. Le Panini ^Talk 13:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the swift response. OK i added "advert" tag and "Citation Needed" for one sentence. Let see if Prolix undid it or not. 2401:4900:40F6:71BE:24A3:F86E:30E2:3D05 (talk) 13:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

TBA

I'm having trouble with the "TBA" template. It's just not showing up for some reason. I'm working on this page in case you'd like to know. Thanks for any help. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 13:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@TrevortniDesserpedx: You need to remove a vertical bar preceding the {{TBA}}. --CiaPan (talk) 13:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

BTW, check the columnspan parameter – shouldn't it be colspan instead...? CiaPan (talk)

(e/c) I fixed it and was going to explain, but see above--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is using "diverse and widespread" words for a religion OK?

Is the following sentence correct according to wp:peacock or otherwise? "The NAME OF RELIGION is a diverse and widespread religion founded by NAME OF THE FOUNDER in the 19th century in NAME OF COUNTRY." Thank you. Serv181920 (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Serv181920, "diverse and widespread" doesn't seem like a good intro to me, and is quite promotional. Anything can be considered "diverse and widespread," so unless it is, say the religion with the most followers, I would not mention its level of diversity. Gerald WL 10:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you.Serv181920 (talk) 14:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

article rejected

Hi, I wanted to know how to improve my article as it was previously rejected. I've added more sources but don't know if it's enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cassandra_Gillespie Dan dk7 (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dan dk7, I believe you should support it with more secondary and tertiary sources.Serv181920 (talk) 14:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Currently, all of the refs are Iron Man comic books, i.e., primary sources. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How do i search archived teahouse posts?

I assume my questions have been asked before Annemaricole (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemaricole: There's a searchbar on the top of the page, below the "Ask a question" button and above the first question. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: It doesn't seem to work, i posted the question "Article seems to have problems" a while ago but the search bar did not take me too the question. --Annemaricole (talk) 12:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemariecole: It's here: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1082#Article_seems_to_have_problems. Try searching for "Article seems to have problems" with the quotation marks: this searches for exactly that string of text instead of the individual words. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

thanks!--Annemaricole (talk) 12:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemariecole: And when you're unsure what your question exactly was (for example, there might be some typo), try adding your nick to the search term, so that the pages with you signature are preferred as search results.
Compare searching Article seems to have problems Annemaricole results
to searching Article seems to have problems results.
Of course, you need to sign your entries at talk pages to be able to find them later this way. --CiaPan (talk) 13:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemariecole: Whenever I want to find the thread(s) of someone who has posted here occasionally (or maybe those of a new Teahaouse host with relatively few edits, thus far) I also simply search on their username alone. But remember that the default way of displaying results is by 'Relevance' - something I find quite useless. So then I remove that, and instead sort the results chronologically, which allows me to see all the archive files in which their name appears, and in numerical order. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Help me understand....

I was asked to write up a short bio to create a scientist's Wikipedia page and was surprised to discover that in order to put that page up, I have to do 10 edits on something first. Is this correct? I really don't know where to begin. Can someone please explain the steps involved in that? I'm not an authority on any particular subject, so what should I do? Or am I to find articles that might need some grammatical or spelling changes and make them? How do I find such articles? Am happy to make whatever necessary edits I can, I just don't really understand what is being asked. Please inform. Thank you. Scientrep (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Scientrep You are a new user and not yet autoconfirmed. After 1 week and 10 edits, you will be able to create a page. In the meantime, please use AFC. Thank you. Firestar464 (talk) 02:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Scientrep. In case you did not understand it from Firestar464's reply, Wikipedia:Articles for creation allows even new users to create draft articles. —teb728 t c 04:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Be aware that Wikipedia does not have "pages." Rather it has articles about notable people. It the scientist in question has not been written ABOUT by other people, your efforts will come to naught. Also, if "asked" means paid, see WP:PAID. If it means doing for a friend/acquaintance, then WP:COI applies. David notMD (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Scientrep. Please make sure that you and your scientist read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Near (Death Note)

Near (Death Note) had it's own wiki page here but was removed due to hatred for the character, when going on the link to his page, it will just redirect you to the character list of Death Note. Is there a way to recover the original page with Near's information without it being redirected to the character list? JohnnyCooper64 (talk) 05:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@JohnnyCooper64: An AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Near (Death Note) was closed as a redirect. You can go to the original article’s history to find info that could be merged. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 05:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JohnnyCooper64. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Near (Death Note). There is not one word about "hatred for the character". The discussion was on Wikipedia's policies, specifically Notability. --ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Please help me

I created an article Ruby Roundhouse (Character), but still Ruby Roundhouse redirects to Jumanji: The Next Level. Could someone please remove the redirect--Atlantis77177 (talk) 15:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The correct article title should be "Ruby Roundhouse (Jumanji character)".--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177: I've changed the redirect to lead to the specific subject GOLDIEM J (talk) 15:22, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Declined article

Hello,

I'd like to know why my article was declined and how can I turn it into an eligible one?

Best regards 176.217.41.114 (talk) 15:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It was declined because you failed to show how this subject meets WP:GNG resp. WP:NPRODUCT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi person editing from ...114. I don't think I can say it better than the decline template does at the top of Draft:Forms.app—except to emphasize that each of the blue words appearing in it are links to pages providing more information, and that the crux of the messaqe regards lack of the right type, manner and breadth of sources in relation to the content you posted—proper sourcing being the lifeblood of proper Wikipedia article; providing it is the linchpin of creating an article that will be accepted and can remain without deletion; and that if such sourcing cannot be provided, because the topic has not received suitable coverage, no article is possible. So:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Logo

Hi All -

I am looking to upload the logo for the organization Heritage Radio Network. I have search for, and found, variations on this question asked many times, and the responses often include an overwhelming amount of information on fair use, etc. This seems to be a clear case of uploading non-free content criteria per the discussion on wikipedia:logos. Can anyone point me to where, exactly, one goes to upload such an item? Or if there are step by step directions for uploading such an image, that would be similarly helpful.

Thank you, Heritage Radio Network (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Heritage Radio Network: First of all, I am uncertain if your username meets WP:NOSHARE. Second, If you work for the organisation in question, please read and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID (the latter is a Terms of Use requirement). For uploading images, I strongely recommend that new users use the File upload wizard or Wikipedia:Files for upload. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

And if you use the Upload Wizard and select "Wikipedia", it will ask you for the justification for uploading non-free content. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Initial Wikipedia article about Capt. Baylor Hill.

I am a first time Wikipedia user. I would like to write an initial Wikipedia article about an ancestor of mine (Capt. Baylor Hill) who fought in the American Revolution. He is my 5th great uncle. I will mention in the text of the article that William J. Longan, Jr. (myself) represents Capt. Baylor Hill in The Society of the Cincinnati which is a hereditary organization honoring Revolutionary War officers. In the process of setting up the page, there is a question asking if I am writing an article about myself. I'm not sure how to respond to this. Thank you.

Bill Longan Ltdragoon (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

You are technically not writing about yourself, however you may still have a WP:COI about your uncle. I assume this refers to Wikipedia:Article_wizard/CommonMistakes, the correct button would therefore be the second one (I'm writing about myself, or a close person/subject). Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Why is it notable in an encyclopedic sense that you represent this gentleman in a "hereditary organization"? I don't understand why this information (assuming it can be verified through a reliable secondary source) about you is relevant or appropriate for an article about a Revolutionary veteran. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How to

How do you add a bio on someones name that is on wiki wlready . Im tryingto add a bio isnt working Redrum2021 (talk) 17:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Redrum2021. and welcome to the Teahouse. When we have articles on multiple subjects with the same name, we disambiguate the titles by putting something in parenthesis - a word or two that distinguishes them from others of the same name. But as a new editor embarking on the very difficult task of creating a new article, I would urge you not to worry about the naming: if you use the articles for creation process, when you submit your draft for review, the accepting review will sort out the name of the article. Looking at the drafts you have put on your User talk page (not the right place) and your sandbox (one of the places where it is appropriate), I think you would benefit from reading your first article before you go any further. The very first step in creating any article is to find reliably-published sources that discuss the subject at some length. Writing any of the draft before doing this is like building a house without checking if the land you are building it on can support a house: all your work may be in vain. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Copyrighted Content

Hi, i have a question "If someone copied the entire content from a newly published Wikipedia article A (which is not crawled and index by Google) and paste it on his own website (B), unfortunately this website is crawled and indexed by Google and Wikimedia Copyvio Detector tools started showing the warning that "Article A is copyrighted from the website B. And immediately Wikipedia article A is deleted under WP G12."

Now my question is "Is the deletion of Wikipedia article A is correct?" 2402:3A80:1F45:EF71:70CA:CDAD:E67E:881E (talk) 16:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

No, we would look at the the page history of the Wikipedia article, not the lack of a WP article on Google (whatever Google is) - Arjayay (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay, Thank You for your response. What are your thoughts on this article? It should be deleted under G12 or not? Pete Wentz Copyvio 88% 2402:3A80:1F45:EF71:70CA:CDAD:E67E:881E (talk) 16:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with the sources suggested by earwig, but they look like mirrors (numbers in square brackets) and/or clickbait sites to me. Look at the page history - the bulk of the article has been broadly the same for 8-10 years, and there have been a total of 6,142 edits by 2,814 different editors. For that to be a copyvio would be an amazing feat of co-ordination - Arjayay (talk) 17:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Just for some jargon, this is often called a "backwards copyvio" and it has fooled many a "patroller" and the occasional responding admin, but no, if it is as it appears (no non-free copyrighted content was added to the article—the external sources copied from here), then the copyright is owned by the users shown in the page history under the dual free licenses Wikipedia content bears (CC BY-SA 3.0 and the GFDL)**, no one can make that content "less free", and though Earwig's tool can be very useful, it is ultimately just a "dumb bot", that can't [currently] parse this kind of complication.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
**A technical oversimplification in at least three different ways:
i) only suitably original changes that pass threshold of originality are owned by users shown in the article history;
ii) only content from after June 15th, 2009 is dually-licensed; and
iii) fair use content (such as some quotations and images) may also appear in articles and does not take our licenses.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Question from 229.109

Question moved from another section to its own. Giraffer ^munch 17:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a version of the Help introduction page that works with my phone? Buttons do nothing. Want to add new image to "Lowell Green" 216.10.229.109 (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Verfication failed. I have yust tried it on my phone and everything seems to work yust fine. Note: while most of the buttons are infact normal links styled as buttons, some require JavaScript. Please check your browser's settings. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Can a Wikipedia Editor please review my Draft Article Submission?

Hello Wikipedia! I'm a new user here, and I'm still in the midst of figuring out how things work. I created a new article draft in my user sandbox today, and I tried to submit it for review. I'm not sure if I did everything correctly, can somebody take a look? In particular, Wikipedia is telling me about a 'Draft' namespace - I'm worried that my page won't be found, if it remains in the sandbox!

If there is any editor who has time to review my article, I would be very grateful for you to take a look. Thank you very much! CygnetRiver (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello CygnetRiver. You have succeeded in submitting it for review: see the message at the bottom. As it says there it may take three months or more, as there is a considerable backlog, and reviewers choose drafts to review as they wish. A couple of things I would suggest you do in the meantime: 1) copy-edit. There are some spelling errors and awkward phraseology. 2) Provide translations of the titles of the sources (use the language and trans-title parameters of the citation templates). 3) Provide a translation of the lyrics (preferably from a published source). -ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, ColinFine! Thank you for reassuring me. I'm still very new to this place, and I'm glad that my article has been successfully submitted. I'd be happy to follow the suggestions that you gave me. Would it be appropriate for me to translate the lyrics from the original German myself? It was very difficult finding an online, canonical source for the lyrics - as many sources are of low quality/user-submitted. Likewise, should I make a translation, would there be a way for me to display the translated lyrics side by side with the original ones? CygnetRiver (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, CygnetRiver. There's some relevant information at WP:POETRY - several sections of that, in fact. Also WP:LYRICS. It occurs to me to wonder whether we can be sure that the lyrics are out of copyright. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there again, ColinFine. Thank you for linking me the relevant policies. I'll do some copy-editing in the meantime while I wait for my article to be approved. The lyrics themselves are out of copyright. The lyrics were written well prior to January 1, 1923. And of course, as for my translation - it would be my own original work, which I duly release to Wikipedia in it's entirety. Thank you very much for your help!

Trying to remove Promotional content label

I am trying to remove the "tag" of promotional content from this page for Melinda L. Estes, MD. I am very new to this so I am not sure I am understanding what I need to do. I believe it was because I had a link back to a press release on our website. I have now removed that source, but the flag seems to still be there. Will this auto-update in time? Thank you, Esther Grenz Egrenz (talk) 19:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Egrenz I'm afraid the promotional content is about much more than just one link. Most of the article reads like a hagiography rather than a neutral descriptive biography. In addition many of the cited sources are of rather doubtful independence and reliability. Last but not least, you mentioned "our website" which rathrr strongly suggests that you have a conflict of interest and are possibly also a paid editor. If that is the case you are required to comply with the instructions at WP:UPE. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Still have a question about the 10 edits

Thank you for all the replies to my earlier question. To reply to Colin, thank you for the article suggestion. I did read it and can assure you that this is neutral article written strictly to create a profile, and yes he has been covered in several publications and media prior to this. My question still remains that I don't understand how to begin the 10 edits. I am not an authority on any particular subject so I don't feel I have anything to add to any existing article. What is meant by "edit" exactly? Am I to search for grammatical mistakes, etc and correct them? How do I go about finding articles that need editing? If you know of articles that need help, I'd be happy to edit them, as I do that for a living, I'm just confused as to what is required here. Please inform. Thank you. Scientrep (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It's literally just as simple as that. Copyediting and the like is always welcomed, and the edits need not be substantial. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 19:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

You say " I'd be happy to edit them, as I do that for a living" please note that you need to declare paid editing on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit any article. The ten edits and four days rule is mostly to reduce impulsive vandalism. If your professional expertise as an editor has nothing to do with Wikipedia articles you intend to edit, then declaring paid editing not required. HOWEVER, in an earlier query, you wrote "I was asked to write up a short bio to create a scientist's Wikipedia page..." which strongly suggests PAID and/or COI applies. David notMD (talk) 20:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Scientrep, I advise you to forget completely about the ten edits, and autoconfirmed status. They are utterly irrelevant to you at this stage. The only relevant thing it lets you do is to create a new article directly into mainspace, and I would advise nobody to do that unless they have made at least a few thousand edits, and created a dozen articles. If you create an article in mainspace, at this stage in your career, it has close to 0 chance of surviving there: if you are lucky (and the subject meets the criteria for notability), then somebody will move it to draft space; otherwise it will get deleted. The way to go is by creating a draft with the WP:Articles for creation process.

However, even using that mechanism, most editors who try to create an article before they have a few weeks' or months' worth of steady editing, have a miserable and frustrating time. The fact that you can't think what to edit suggests to me that you are not here to build an encyclopaedia, but to promote your subject: promotion of any kind (whether commercial or not) is forbidden in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

Do I have access to everything? Theamongusmaster88 (talk) 23:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Theamongusmaster88:. Not quite 'everything', although you are now an 'autoconfirmed user' (having had an account for more than 4 days and have made over 10 edits). There are still a few types of content here which require users to have certain additional permissions. But you have access to constructively edit by far the vast majority of articles and pages, except for templates, and fully-protected or extended protected pages. (If you want to read more on that, there is an explanation at Wikipedia:Protection policy). We work by consensus here, so should you ever find a change you made has got reverted, don't get angry; get chatty. Discussing what's best for an article is the way forward, as is supplying a citation to new content you add or change. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Possible separation

When will the W films be separate from U and V in this list: List of films: U–W? 2601:4A:4201:AF0:2471:815A:F1DD:2377 (talk) 21:38, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. It does look like that subsection could do with further division. But we can't do anything about it from here, and the best suggestion I can make is to invite you to propose it on the article's talk page at Talk:List of films: U–W. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. The answer is "when somebody (like you) suggests this would be a good idea and the consensus agrees with you". Please open a discussion on the talk page Talk:List of films: U–W, and drop a mention on WT:WikiProject Lists and WT:WikiProject Film pointing people at that discussion. If after a week or so, nobody has replied, you can go ahead - see SPLIT. I suspect you'll have to create an account to do that, so it might be best if you came back here at that point and said "I've made the suggestion and noted it at the two WikiProjects, and nobody has disagreed, so can I have some help doing it please?" --ColinFine (talk) 23:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:African-American military personnel

I was updating some information on the page for Marcus Wesson, a multiple murderer in California, and I noticed that one of the categories that had been assigned to this page is 'African American military personnel'. While I suppose that is technically true - he served two years in the Army during Vietnam - he does not seem to match the spirit of other individuals placed in this category (as a rapist and murderer). I am new to editing, so I wanted to check about the nature of this cateogry before I went and removed it from the page. GranactiveRetinoid (talk) 22:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@GranactiveRetinoid: I don't see anything in the description of Category:African-American military personnel that would exclude criminals or people not necessarily known for their military service. For example, John Coltrane, Don Cornelius, and Bill Cosby are in the category. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you for the clarification! --GranactiveRetinoid (talk) 00:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

How to include photo in Draft page

I am working on wiki page "Draft:Pratik Sen". I understand that I can not download a photo of the person I am working on from his facebook profile. Please help me to guide what could be the valid sources of photo of an actor to upload in the wiki page? Can I take a snap from his film/television serial and upload the same? Any other valid sources? PhotonSplit (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)PhotonSplit

No, the photo of the film/programme would be fair-use. Images also do not help drafts in the slightest. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 19:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Not clear with the answer provided on my question. Reposing the question -

I am working on wiki page "Draft:Pratik Sen". I understand that I can not download a photo of the person I am working on from his facebook profile. Please help me to guide what could be the valid sources of photo of an actor to upload in the wiki page? Can I take a snap from his film/television serial and upload the same? Will this be valid ? Any other valid sources? PhotonSplit (talk) 20:32, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Once again: NO. The film/programme still would also be fair-use. You would need a photo you took yourself of him at some sort of event, or walking around downtown, or something of that nature. Images also do not help a draft at all. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 20:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Got the answer, thank you. I understand, I have to meet Pratik Sen to get his photo clicked by myself to upload it in the wiki, that's a dream, he is celebrity !!!

@Jéské Couriano: I think you mean it may be fair use if it qualifies according to all of the criteria at WP:NFCC. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:28, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

How to include photo in Draft page

Hi, I am currently working on "Draft:Pratik Sen" page. I am unable to add an Image of him in the Infobox artist section. Can you please explain the process of adding photo in the wiki page? PhotonSplit (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

PhotonSplit, Have you uploaded the image on Commons or through FUW? ─ The Aafī (^talk) 18:32, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@TheAafi: he has tried uploading to Commons, but was stopped by an edit filter. @PhotonSplit: I can see from the fillter log that you marked the file as {{own}}. Is this realy your photo, i.e. You are the one that originally created it? Note that you dont get the legal owner of an image by downloading it from Facebook (or any other internet website).

@TheAafi and PhotonSplit: forgot so sign. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

(For a page tailored to the above possible issue, please see Wikipedia:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work".)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

What could be the valid source of photo of an actor to upload in the wiki page? Can I take a snap from his film and upload the same? Any other valid sources?

A photo taken by you at an event would suffice. (A film still would be fair-use.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 19:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@PhotonSplit: You may not upload any 'fair use' image for use in a draft article. You must wait until the article is in mainspace. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hey there, I resubmitted this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amber_Wadham for review a couple of months ago after making some changes after the previous review and feedback. It doesn't seem to have been looked at again is this normal? Have I done anything wrong? Meowmeowman85 (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Meowmeowman85. There tends to be more drafts submitted for review than there are volunteer AFC reviewers looking them over which means that you may simply have to wait until someone does. The template at the top of the draft states as follows: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,464 pending submissions waiting for review." For what its worth, the draft was last declined on August 24 by a Wikipedia administrator and AFC reviewer named DGG and you submmitted it again for another review less than twenty minutes later after making some minor changes. DGG is quite an experienced editor and my guess is that he wouldn't have declined the draft if he felt all that needed to be done was to remove a single sentence with a supporting citation to YouTube.

DGG declined the draft because he felt the subject didn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (person) or Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and generally drafts are declined for this reason when the reviewer feels that it hasn't been demonstrated that the subject of the article has received the significant coverage in reliable sources necessary to establish Wikipedia:Notability. Sometimes this is just a case of it being Wikipedia:Too soon for a Wikipedia article to be written about the subject, but other times it's simply that there's no indication that the subject will ever be Wikipedia notable for an article about it to be written. Internet personalities probably don't receive as much significant coverage in traditional mainstream reliable sources as some other types of entertainers which might make it a bit harder to assess their Wikipedia notability. Try asking DGG for more specific feedback and perhaps he'll explain what he found problematic about the sources you're citing in the article. You can ask DGG for more clarification about this on his user talk page or you can ask at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk for some other more general feedback from other AFC reviewers. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Please review Draft:Kin Lane

I would appreciate another review on Draft:Kin Lane. Both European Commission and the US Supreme Court are used as independent sources. Thank you. GoodNickBB (talk) 07:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB, An amicus curiae brief is not a reliable source that shows notability. If this person is going to have an article, you must show that they are notable by using sources that talk about Lane, not just by Lane. Has Lane been covered in a major newspaper? Gotten a profile in the NYTimes? Won a prestigious award? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB Comment on those 2 sources. The European Commission one is a passing mention, not what is demanded at WP:BASIC. The AB thing is not independent since he's a part of it, presumably he wrote the text about himself at least partly himself. See also WP:BLPPRIMARY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. Here are 2 more independent sources to prove his expertise in API: TechCrunch, Forbes. Do you think these will be good enough?— Preceding unsigned comment added by GoodNickBB (talk • contribs) 02:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

TechCrunch no (too minimal), Forbes maybe. David notMD (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Not Forbes either: The article is about API Commons not Lane or Willmott. We are looking for significant coverage not expertise. API Commons might be a more likely topic for an article than Lane. —teb728 t c 08:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I guess I'll add both techcrunch and forbes. I"ll try to find significant coverage on him. Thanks again for the review. GoodNickBB (talk) 03:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Topic that should be included

Why is this subject not included in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Kamala_Harris

Nuclear Power “So the biggest issue that I believe we face in terms of nuclear energy is the waste and what are we going to do with that,” Harris said at a CNN climate town hall. “We have to make sure that this is not about the federal government coming in and ... making decisions about what each state can do in terms of the nuclear waste issue which is the biggest part of the concern about nuclear energy.” When pressed, Harris did not agree to phasing out nuclear power. noelwauc Noelwauc (talk) 04:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Noelwauc. It seems that no editor has yet volunteered to add well referenced content about her stance on nuclear power to the article. You can add it yourself with a reference, or you can discuss the matter at Talk:Political positions of Kamala Harris. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Please help me

In my my new article Seaplane McDonough, some references are causing issues. When I went to edit, I found that they were references 12,13,14 and 15. I removed them many times but they still return if I reload. Please help--Atlantis77177 (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Atlantis77177. The article had about half a dozen malformed ref tags scattered among properly formatted references. I removed the incorrect fragments of wikicode and the references are displaying properly now. On another matter, the character is sometimes described as male and sometimes as female. Please address that. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The character is male. Firestar464 (talk) 07:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

So please fix it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Submitting Draft for review

Can anyone kindly submit Draft:Doraemon (Indian Version) for review. Adishere (talk) 07:31, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adishere: Submitted for review on your behalf. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:45, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Hebdo cartoons

Some of the well-known Charlie Hebdo cartoons of Muhammad from years ago are available on Wikipedia and some are deployed in useful ways in articles. However, some of the most pertinent images are not available, including the ones of direct relevance in the beheading of Samuel Paty last month in Paris, and the subsequent furore and diplomatic spat over free speech, Islamism, blasphemy, etc. It would be useful to use a "fair use" upload of the cartoons labelled Une étoile est née, since it was these that attracted the killer's ire when the victim, a teacher, used them in a lesson on history and free speech. I'm not sure how to go about this though. GPinkerton (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2020 (UTC) GPinkerton (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

GPinkerton There is no need to pacify anyone using a "fair use" upload. Also see WP:CENSOR. Firestar464 (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

GPinkerton, please read the content guideline Non-free content/images, which is enforced strictly. Following policies and guidelines about copyrighted material is not censorship. It is mandatory. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, yes I understand the meaning of both policies. The question is: from where can one obtain a decent quality image of the magazine's cartoons? Where do we normally get non-free images from? GPinkerton (talk) 07:23, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, presumably you/they find one via google [12], make sure it's low-res enough, and upload it on WP for the article/articles in question. There may be a bit of WP:DUE/WP:PROPORTION pushback, depending on context. Also perhaps WP:ASTONISH and WP:IREALLYDONTLIKEIT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Add flags some of the countries

Hey guys, I'm just wondering, some of the people edit and erase the flag thingy in some of the airline destinations in wikipedia. So, if you are agree, can I add flags in some of the airline destinations? I mean, it's very nice and unique if I put the country flags. 😁 Apple 3002 (talk) 08:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Apple 3002. It sounds like you’re referring to flag icons. Perhaps the reason they’re being removed by others is because the way they’re being used is not in accordance with some Wikipedia policy or guideline. If you’ve added them to an articles and they were subsequently removed by another editor, check the article’s page history to see if an edit summary was left explaining why.

You can also start a discussion on the concerned article’s talk page to see how other editor may feel about adding flag icons to the article. Try explaining how the use of the icons improves the article in accordance with Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines. If you can establish a WP:CONSENSUS for their inclusion, then someone will add them.

Finally, you might also want to seek input from Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation, Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines or Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports since those are places where you’re likely going to find editors familiar with articles about airlines or airports. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Unable to move page

Hey, I have created a Wikipedia article in the sandbox and am now unable to move it to the livespace. Could you help me set it live? Thank you very much Khalil Berro (talk) 11:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Khalil Berro. Before you do anything else on Wikipedia, I strongly suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If you’re the same person you’re trying to create an article about, then it’s possible that you might be misunderstanding what Wikipedia articles are intended to be. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: User:Khalil Berro/sandbox, which has been submitted. If you are Berro, the caution about autobiography applies. If you are not Berro, then you must change your User name. David notMD (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Technical problem

See User talk:chicdat/userboxes. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 13:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

That shows your Userboxes and Barnstars. What do you see as the problem? David notMD (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The "Barnstars" heading is on the right. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 14:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Fixed easily. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 14:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

What template/other thing is this?

If I remember correctly, a while ago there was on of those template things at the top of the page that was something along the lines of, "This is article is written like a story" or something, anyways I need something like that, except more documentary-ish. Earlier I found an article that was written like an article and totally need some re-writing (which I plan on doing) so I was going to give it some templates (as of now it's also a dead end). SnazzyInfinity (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@SnazzyInfinity: If you enable Twinkle via Preferences, you'll have ready access to a suite of templates, with its Tag menu option. e.g. {{tone}} or {{essay-like}}. Will that do you? (Note that the former template contains a useful 'see also' list of other alternatives.) Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes thanks Nick Moyes, I believe that is exactly what I was looking for, and I'll go check that out, thanks again! SnazzyInfinity (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi SnazzyInfinity. I believe {{story}} is likely the specific template you saw. Others may be found at Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup#Style of writing. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes thanks Fuhghettaboutit, I think that may be it, and I'll go check that out, thanks again! SnazzyInfinity (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Made a page on Sandbox but how do I make it an actual Wiki page?

How do I change my Sandbox writing into a real Wikipedia page? Or is it already made into one? Xdude gamer (talk) 14:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Xdude gamer! I see you have already written a draft for an article in your sandbox here. If you check there, you will see a blue button towards the top of it which is called "submit your draft for review". Once you click that, a fellow (experienced) Wikipedian will check your article draft and decide if it is ready to be published, or if it needs to be improved. In the latter case, they will (hopefully) leave helpful feedback for you to do that. As you can see, this has already been done by Theroadislong, who has indicated that the article you wrote probably does not meet the notability guidelines for bands. Check the comment they made (next to the yellow exclamation mark) to see why this is a problem. Hopefully, you can figure out what to do now; if not, feel free to check back here again :) --LordPeterII (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox

I created a page but I am unable to Move the page or submit for review. Can you please move my page from sandbox. Thanks very much. username MYTHU09 This is my sandbox -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mythu09/sandbox Mythu09 (talk) 14:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mythu09, and welcome to the Teahouse: I have added a header to separate your request from the previous section.

If your sandbox were moved to main space now, it would immediately be either moved to Draft space, or deleted, depending on whether the editor in question thought that there was a chance of it being turned into an acceptable article. The most obvious problems are: lack of references, and promotional language. For the former: every Wikipedia article must be based entirely on reliably published material, and nearly all of it on material independent of the subject. This is particularly important for biographies of living people. There must be (at a minimum) enough sources cited to establish that Kalyanaraman meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: if he does not, then there is no point in you (or anybody else) spending any more time on this draft. For the second point: no Wikipedia article should describe anyone as "well-known" or "renowned", or talk about "contributed immensely" unless in a direct attributed quote from a reliably published source wholly unconnected with the subject. Please read NPOV.

In addition, the fact that you have created an account, and immediately started an article on Kalyanaraman prompts me to ask, What is your relationship with him? If you have any connection with him, then you have a conflict of interest; if you are employed by or on behalf of him to write this, you are a paid editor, and must make the prescribed declarations. If you are Kalyanaraman, then please be aware that writing about yourself is strongly discouraged, because you are likely to find it difficult to do what is necessary, viz. forget everything you know about the subject, and summarise only what independent reliable sources say.

Besides all the links above, I suggest you read your first article; and if you have any connection with Kalyanaraman, also An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Photo rights

Hello! I see I do not have the privileges needed to add a photo to the article I've just created, which was approved. Is there a way to get the photo approved and added to the article? I do have the rights and could get documentation if needed. Thanks! KECS99 (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Evelyn M. Simpson TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, KECS99, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is the problem you are having? You have successfully uploaded the image, at File:Evelyn M. Simpson.jpg, and there is no reason why you should not be able to insert it into the article. Your previous attempt was to a file which doesn't exist, called File:Evelyn M. Simpson (1885-1963).jpg. However, I am concerned that you describe the picture as "own work": did you take it yourself, before 1963? If not, how do you hold the copyright? And does this indicate that you have a conflict of interest in working on an article about Simpson? --ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, ColinFine! I too felt weird about "own work" but there were no other options? The picture was given to Chanita Goodblatt by Mary Fleay, along with permission to use it; I did not take it. Chanita helped with this article and gave me the picture for it and would, I'm sure, be happy to supply documentation. When I attempt to insert the image, all I see is the file name and not a picture, so I assumed it was a permissions issue. I will try again, not checking the "own work" box and see what happens. OH--while I am here, why does "Evelyn M. Simpson" not autopopulate when I go to wikipedia.com and search for her? Does this come to happen in time?

Hello again KECS99. I see that somebody has fixed the syntax in the infobox. Wikipedia is very careful with copyright. If the picture is in copyright, then the copyright holder may license it in a way that is acceptable, but must do so precisely: a vague "give permission" is not enough. Who holds the copyright? It doesn't sound as if it is Goodblatt. Whoever it is, you would need to get them to send a message as explained at donating copyright materials.

However, there may be another option. This use might meet all the criteria in the non-free content criteria: these are almost never met for a living subject, because there is usually a possibility that somebody could get a free version. But since Simpson is no longer with us, if the copyright holder cannot be traced, or is unwilling to license it, then you could upload a non-free copy, directly to Wikipedia (not to Commons), and justify it meeting all the criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Le Touquet article

Hello, Robert, I resubmitted my wiki page with some edits to make it more clear, please let me know if it is satisfactory :) Kaeleymccann1 (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Le Touqet @Robert McClenon: —teb728 t c 17:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I have written my first draft, i need any expert senior brothers help !!!

Hello seniors !! recently i created a draft about a musician. wikipedia sayings it will take 3 months. any senior brother here? could you check my draft that i made. just for confirm that it will accepted by wikipedia or not. thats my [first draft ].

Riserteam (talk) 15:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC) Riserteam (talk) 15:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, I'm no senior myself, but aynway: Three months is only a upper estimate, and indeed someone has already taken a first look at your draft (though you might get more feedback later)! Check the comment (next to the yellow exclamation mark) on top of your draft. There, they have indicated that your draft might not satisfy the notability guidelines. That sadly means the article will likely not get accepted :(

But fear not! You can try to provide more information on why you think they fulfill the requirements outlined in the link in the comment (these here). And if not, don't be mad: Maybe that person does not even need a Wikipedia entry, and maybe it would be wiser to help them improve their social media like Instagram etc? --LordPeterII (talk) 15:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Cleaned it up a bit, but agree that it may be WP:TOOSOON to meet notability standards for musicians. David notMD (talk) 17:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Creating an Article about someone who does not meet the notability requirement

Hello, I have been asked by a fellow minor celebrity to help him create an article about himself on Wikipedia. He has a book that has been ranked on Amazon #1 bestseller, got some press afterward, also got some press earlier, and has some prior experience working for some established celebrities earlier. That's pretty much all of his achievements till now.

Is it possible to get his article approved anyhow?

(I am very new in the Wiki editing community. Please pardon if I sound too naive) Ksnsakib (talk) 12:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Please don't. For why not, please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Hoary (talk) 13:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. And apart from conflict of interest, I would also point to this: WP:FAMOUS. Just tell your fellow to be patient! It is only human and understandable to take pride in ones achievements; but imo better spend time polishing your Instagram, Facebook or personal website than trying to get a Wikipedia page that will likely get removed immediately. Very minor Wikipedia pages also generally don't attract much attention - check for example this random Wikipedia page that meets notability, but generally gets less than 10 (!) views per day: Article: Amina_(magazine) Views: [[13]]. You are very likely to gain more reach/feedback/popularity by improving your social media.

If the fellow that asked you lands another hit or makes more (hopefully good!) press, they might someday meet notability. And then you can still make an article for them! --LordPeterII (talk) 15:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ksnsakib: ... although, again, you (or anyone else at the subject's request) should not be the one to write it because of the COI. Ideally, someone who doesn't know them will notice they do not have an article and has received significant coverage in independent reliable sources and write the article based on what those sources have written. You can also add them to the appropriate section of WP:RA along with links to some of the sources that already meet these criteria, since some article writers may use those entries as starting points. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Description of Lincoln County, Wyoming

When describing Lincoln County the articles states its western border joins Utah. This should be changed to read it's western border is the state of Idaho. 207.183.174.216 (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. By entering "Lincoln County, Wyoming" into the Google Maps search box, you can see the boundaries of the county quite clearly. Its western border is long, and you can see that the southern third of that border adjoins Utah, and the northern two-thirds adjoins Idaho. I have made the correction. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Did I do vandalism?

Hello, I'm WikiToaster1. I just created my account today and am new to this. I went to 2 articles to make some grammatical changes, but the first time someone sent me a message being angry because I did not adequately explain the reasoning for the edit, which I did, and the second time I received a message from a bot saying that I was vandalizing the article. I don't think I was vandalizing, but can someone please clarify what 'vandalism' means here? Thanks. WikiToaster1 (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse, your edit here [14] whilst changing the grammar also removed many references which could be contsrued as WP:vandalism. Theroadislong (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello WikiToaster1. As well as removing quite a few useful references, you added a big block of unreferenced content. Please familiarize yourself with Verifiability, which is a core content policy. High quality references are like gold on Wikipedia. Please never remove a reference without explaining why, and add references whenever you add new content. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

WikiToaster1, at Schoology, you also removed references with a misleading edit summary, and tried to use a Wikipedia article as a reference. This is not permitted as explained at WP:CIRCULAR. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:37, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia defaulting to mobile mode on desktop computer

I have always been using desktop mode on my Windows 10 computer. Recently, I cleared all cookies, history and cache and now every time I re-open a Wikipedia tab, it opens to mobile mode. I have to always click the desktop button in the footer every time. I never had to do this before and it doesn't happen on my other devices. How can I auto select desktop mode every time? Eyebeller (talk) 21:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eyebeller: How are you "re-opening"? Are you maybe clicking on a link somewhere like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse (which is a link to the mobile site, with "m." between "en." and "wiki...")? Which browser are you using, and have you tried a different browser? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Eyebeller: look at the URL in the bar in your browser: my guess is that you have some URL's with '.m.' in them and your browser thinks you want to reopen them. If not, then I can't help. Perhaps ask at WP:VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 23:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Eyebeller I wish it were possible to force a device not to open in one view or another unless the user actually chooses to, and that any new tab or new login session would default to the user's primary choice. Maybe that could be asked about at WP:VPT, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1, ColinFine, and Nick Moyes: It seems that when I cleared my history, it re-synced my tabs from my phone to my computer, hence it had the URL with .m. I have now deleted the .m URL from the history and it works as expected. Thanks. Eyebeller (talk) 07:48, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes I never use mobile view, any reasonably recent phone can easily handle desktop view. IMNSHO the mobile view is almost as bad as the malware known as Visual Editor. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dodger67: Me neither (except when testing something). My tiny iPhone5 screen is fine for desktop view, from where I do a lot of easy editing/admin work. But what I would like to happen is that if I follow any link with a ".m." in the url (which are often given by posters here), my chosen settings for Wikipedia would automatically redirect/convert it to my preferred option of desktop view. The teeny-tiny, miniscule little link at the bottom of the screen is far too small and inconspicuous and, once I'm unwittingly in one view, it can be really fiddly to switch back again. Te switch link itself needs making a lot easier to access, in my opinion. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1, ColinFine, Nick Moyes, and Eyebeller: - might be worth taking a look at this script, which auto-redirects mobile links (after a second or two, but quicker than manually fixing). Slightly oddly, I've found that the script-installer doesn't work, and the documentation is correct, it does have to be at the top of your script list. As always with scripts, I can't read the code, so can't provide quality/security assurance etc etc. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: Nice one - thank you; I will definitely check it out. On the offchance that you're familiar with some of the more esoteric scripts that abound nowadays - other than those already listed at ~~WP:ESL~~ WP:USL - do you know of anything to address the failure of the Special:Contributions page to display the full /64 range of IPv6 users (as I mentioned recently here)? That would be another inordinately useful tool to have. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll check it out too, thanks. The code is basic javascript which I understand and seems perfectly safe. Eyebeller (talk) 15:31, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I don't think you meant WP:ESL above.

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Quite right. WP:USL was the intended shortcut. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm very disappointed with you, guys

Hello,

I spent a good deal of time researching a subject I find important to let the world know about. As the Business Model Canvas, the COS Model can make a difference for managers and business students who are looking for means to deal with customer loyalty and retention. His work is used as textbook in major business schools, like Tec de Monterrey's EGADE, in subjects such as Marketing or Service Management.

There's a lot of bad advice out there; I found an author whose ideas and proposals are simple and effective, but according to one (or many, I'm not sure) or you, I was writing something like a commercial.

I got my doctoral degree by abiding to serious research, checking sources and respecting others' copyrights. If this is what collaborating with Wikipedia, I won't be part of it.

Thank you, and farewell,

B. Dericas, PhD

Mexico 200.68.129.144 (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Uh, what? The only edits you made were in 2019, and were reverted due to being nonconstructive. If you had another account that refers to what you're talking about, let us know so we can try to fix the problem.

However, I'll try to answer the "question".

Wikipedia is not for means of promotion or advertising. All article that meet the notability policy must be written in a neutral point of view. It also seems like you have a conflict of interest about what you are talking about, which should be generally avoided.

Regards, Le Panini ^Talk 18:45, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Submit button

I can't see the resubmit button on my wikipedia page Excellence Above (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Excellence Above, That big yellow box means that it is currently submitted for review. All you have to do is wait.

I would suggest as well that you use inline citations. What's an inline citation? Read this article to understand what they are and how to properly execute it. Inline citations are a part of the general Manual of Style across Wikipedia. Le Panini ^Talk 18:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Images on Teahouse banner

What is the reason for choosing these particular images (forest and medieval book) on the Teahouse banner? And why cant I see the medieval book there when I am asking this question? Hilfiger28 (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hilfiger28, I think the image on the left is alluding to Japan/Japanese Tea house. The image on the right is changing, see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:39, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hilfiger28, Those images are a list of the friendly users who check in and out of the teahouse to answer beginner editor questions. We're known as Teahouse Hosts. Le Panini ^Talk 18:52, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm an idiot please help me

I've never utilized Wikipedia and need a TON of help so just literally send me the document that shows you how to begin everything Rinoking358 (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rinoking358: try Help:Introduction or WP:ADVENTURE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rinoking358:If you have any further questions, you can always ask us here. Happy editing! Le Panini ^Talk 18:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

A Question about some Wikipedians

Why do some editors on Wikipedia add correct and true information on articles, but all of a sudden, they go crazy and vandalize out of nowhere? (Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)) Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Treekangaroosandlions 2: Example please? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I can't remember them, but I just see it sometimes, and I find it kind of strange. Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Occasionally, accounts can be compromised (hacked) because of insecure passwords or other poor personal security practices (like writing passwords down on notes in a desk drawer). People can also get involved in disputes that cause them to behave badly. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Treekangaroosandlions 2. Sometimes also off-wiki stresses creep in and editors act in unusual ways. It's important to remember that despite our digital identity, we're all human. Another scenario could be the case of a long-term abuser (LTA): sometimes they're only able sustain their good behaviour for so long before lashing out. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my questions, guys! I appreciate it. :) {{Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 19:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)}}

Talk page archiving problem

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Moved to WP:VPT § Talk page archiving problem

Hello, the talk page Talk:John Brennan (CIA officer) is archiving to Talk:John O. Brennan because the lowercase sigmabot III parameter wasn't updated when the page was renamed. Can someone help rescue all the old archives and get them to display on the current talk page? - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 15:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Seems like this isn't the right forum to ask this question. I'll try the Village pump tech page. Ping me if someone answers this here. Thanks. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 20:16, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I request you to help me

I created an article - Jack Dawson (Fictional Character). But the Jack Dawson (Character) redirects to the Titanic (1997 movie) movie. Please help me by removing the redirect.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The article deleted because Jack Dawson (character) exists, and Jack Dawson (fictional character) redirects to it. David notMD (talk) 21:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

A message from Shadowblade08

Hello, and greetings from me. I recently made a series of edits, and then made note on one of my edit's. Could someone check it, and make sure I didn't do anything wrong? Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 21:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, after the fact, I realized that all four Wingfeather Saga books were republished, and the articles don't state that. What should I do about that? Note: i'm currently writing an article on The Monster in the Hollows (note: it is currently incomplete, I only started writing it today. Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 22:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Shadowblade08. I suggest you don't spend any more time adding to that article or articles on the books in the series until you (or somebody) has found enough solid independent reliable sources to establish notability. At present not one of the sources, in my view, contributes in any way to establishing notability (which is why I have tagged the article). You are trying to build extensions on a house with no foundations: if the house falls down, all your work will be wasted. --ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Help!

On my info page, the "Badges for TWA" title is all off to the side. What am I missing/doing wrong? Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 22:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shadowblade08, welcome back. I've done a temporary fix for you but obviously something else is happening on the page. Hopefully someone else can have a look, I'm nearly fast asleep here lol. Zindor (talk) 22:37, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: I think Zindor fixed it OK. All you've got to do now is get the rest of the full set of 15 badges! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Semiconductor detector

On the semiconductor detector page, did you mean 100 nanometers or 100 micrometers? 64.126.80.75 (talk) 23:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Thanks for your question. I'm pretty sure the units of micrometers is correct, as one of the few citations in that article uses units in the same ball-park. But I have flagged the article as needing more sources, and thank you for your interest. In future, you can always query uncited content of an article, either by posting on the article's 'talk page (i.e. Talk:Semiconductor detector), or if you felt brave enough, you could add a ^{[citation needed]} template at the end of the statement you might want to challenge. The actual text you would type would lok like htis: {{cn}}. For many editors, making that one single edit to an article can be the start of appreciating they they can make a real contribution to this encyclopaedia. Some of us get stuck here for years doing it!! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Micrometers - article tagged for needing citations. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Help with a draft

Hello! I am a student and I am completing a Wikipedia editing course. We have chosen a stub to research, edit, and improve. I have chosen Lagos University Teaching Hospital as the stub to edit. I am currently adding information to the article and I would value your input and advice with the work I am doing. I appreciate your help. Thank you! Creatorhj244 (talk) 02:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Is your class not going through WP:School and university projects? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 02:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Jéské Couriano Unfortunately AFAIK the school and university project only supports American and Canadian schools and universities, Creatorhj244 appears to be Australian. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:23, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi! No we aren't would it be possible if you guys User talk:Dodger67 User:Jéské Couriano and could take a look at my article and let me know on the talk page where I can improve? All advice appreciated! Creatorhj244 (talk) 00:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

A particular Wiki page called Parler

Who makes this stuff up and why is there no research done to validate? The reason why I say there has been no research done because the total definition of the social media group Parler is wrong. It is true, Parler does tend to lean right but the hate speech is so wrong. Someone with a deep hate for the right must have written it because there are several points on the page that was clearly an opinion and not the truth. I would like to see this page corrected. 2600:6C67:857F:7E6C:1C61:AF3E:D750:7139 (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Care to take a mulligan on the topic area you've chosen to jump headfirst into? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 00:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

IP editor: There are 66 separate citations supporting the article's content. This is hardly made up stuff! To get a (currently) fully-protected page like this 'corrected', as you call it, you would need to go to the talk page of the article, make an WP:EDITREQUEST, clearly stating exactly the wording of the change you would like made, and including links to Reliable Independent Sources to support that change. Or, if there are unsubstantittaed statements present, you can identify the relevant sentence(s) and ask for it/them either to be removed, reworded, or for a ^{[citation needed]} tag to be added. An expereinced editor will then consider and either address your request, or turn it down, as inappropriate. So you will neeed to take your time to do your own research and to carefully consider how best to phrase the exact wording of any change you would like to recommend. Hope that helps. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Titus Davis

Can you edit the 27 club for Titus Davis Yes sir them bros (talk) 00:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yes sir them bros. It is unclear to me what exactly you're asking, but the place to make a suggestion for a page improvement is on the talk page of the relevant page, namely: Talk:Titus Davis. It would help if you are very clear in specifying what change you would like to see, and to support it with a link to any relevant reliable source which can be used as a citation. See guidance at WP:EDITREQUEST for how to draw editor attention to your concerns. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

No. The 27 Club is a list consisting mostly of popular musicians, artists, or actors who died at age 27. A violent or drug-related or suicide cause not a requirement, but most are, rather than a disease death. David notMD (talk) 02:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Citing the same source more than once

Hello! I am editing Lagos University Teaching Hospital and I am unsure how to cite the same source more than once. Please could someone explain how I do this? If you could also have a look at my article and tell me where I can improve I would appreciate that. Thank you Creatorhj244 (talk) 00:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Basically, you assign the source a name, and then refer to that name in subsequent cites. See Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once for details. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 01:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Creatorhj244. The above advice is good, but may I offer one extra tip for you? You will find it much easier to add what ew call a REFNAME to a citation if you do NOT use the Visual Editor to add references, but to use Source Editor (which you've been using to edit this page). The reason is that there is a very obvious "RefName" box in the reference template for you to allocate an easy-to-remember name to each one. Yesm you can use Visual Editor, but if you do, just look for "Re-use" tab after you've clicked the 'Cite' button. That gives you a list of the references already added. There is basic guidance on adding inline citatoins at WP:REFBEGIN. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi User talk:Nick Moyes, thank you very much. This makes sense. Would it be at all possible if I could ask you to look over my draft for Lagos University Teaching Hospital. I am still adding information to it, but I would like to know where I can improve further. I am completing this as an assignment for a university course, and any advice / reviews and edits would really assist my performance in this course. I appreciate your time with this Creatorhj244 (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

User Anonymasmeehaa

User Anonymasmeehaa is visibly vandalizing and I can't question if she isn't check her contributions Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 08:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Checked that, but it appears like this is a good-faith-user. The two edits are two days old. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

A way to tell the Internet Archive to preserve in advance?

Greetings,

so I'm back after a hiatus from Wikipedia. Now I feel motivated to write some new articles (or to actually finish up my old drafts *cough*), but something struck me: Linkrot. I already stumbled over several dead links while trying to improve articles, and not always could I restore them because only some got archived. Now if I write my own articles, they will likely suffer from the same issue at some point!

So my main question is: Can I tell the Internet Archive to actively archive pages I am using for an article? That would make it depend less on luck whether the links remain stable over time. And if yes, can someone point me to how to do this?

Another, minor and unrelated question (should I have made another question entry for that?): I have just fixed some inter-language-links to show up properly ([15]), so it does not give the impression that the article was available in English, and so it properly generates redlinks. That's not the first time I've come across this, and I was wondering if it could be found/fixed automatically maybe? I know several bots are running around here, but I'm not that good on the technical side of things. It just seems like the syntax for these errors is quite clear. If there is a tool to spot these automatically, can someone point me to it?

Syntactically yours, LordPeterII (talk) 15:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

LordPeterII, I can give a partial answer and hope that someone more familiar with the project can explain further.

I looked at your sandbox and picked one of the URLs:

hamburg-altona

If you search for that in the Internet archive, you get the following message:

Hrm.

Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.

This page is available on the web!

Help make the Wayback Machine more complete!

Including a button that says "save this URL in the wayback machine"

I assume that clicking that button will archive the site.

However I also checked:

this site

Searching for that in the Internet archive reveals that it has been saved seven times but the most recent one is in 2019. I had hoped to see an option to request a more recent save but I don't see it. S Philbrick (Talk) 16:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: IA has a bot that watches Wikipedia's recent changes and automatically archives any external links (and refs) it finds, but that happens only with changes to pages in the article (main) namespace, not drafts, user pages, etc.. The link to take a new snapshot of an already-archived page, as described at Wikipedia:Citing sources/Further considerations#Internet Archive, is https://web.archive.org/save/https://agora.sub.uni-hamburg.de//subhh/digbib/view?did=c1:50943&sdid=c1:50967 in Sphilbrick's example, which I clicked on and got this archive (after a server error on the first try).

The WP:IABOT deadlink-fixing tool has an option to add archive info to all refs on a page (even those that are not yet dead), which could be run on a draft if you're worried about linkrot taking hold before it's moved to mainspace. On the History page, at the end of the list of "External tools:" near the top, there is a "Fix dead links" link to run it. Check the "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I just thought I would also point out that there are archive.org extensions for both Firefox and Chrome (and perhaps other browsers as well, but I have not verified that). These extensions allow you to instantly archive the current version of any web page with a couple of mouse clicks if you feel that it may quickly change or become inaccessible. CThomas³ (talk) 07:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks y'all! Guess my fears were unnecessary. That all mainspace articles get archived is good to know, and I guess most dead links I came across were from old articles before the advent of modern bots. Since my drafts tend to be quite extensive and include lots of references for a long time until I finish them, I will check out the options to archive them ahead of time, lest they are gone by the time the draft gets moved to mainspace. It seems there are several options available for that. So yeah, thanks again! --LordPeterII (talk) 09:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Lost Draft Article

Hi community! I was finishing writting an article and I can't find it anymore. Is it possible to retrieve or do I just have to start from start again? Elisadesapinto (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Elisadesapinto, you can find your contributions here. Are you referring to this? It doesn't seem to have any content, though. Gerald WL 10:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Elisadesapinto Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In looking at your contribution history I see no edits to any draft article- other than the aformentioned sandbox edit. It's possible you might have edited while logged out in which case it would be a part of your IP address' contribution history. That's all I can say without knowing the title of the draft or article. 331dot (talk) 10:37, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for your help! I must have been logged out, yes. The name of is Draft:Bibi Smit, it was almost finalized. How can I retrieve it using my ip address? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisadesapinto (talk • contribs) 10:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Elisadesapinto, I tried searching "Draft:Bibi Smit," "Bibi Smit," and "Bibi Smith" in Wikipedia and Deletionpedia], there's none. Is it on the other language Wikipedia? Gerald WL 10:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

In examining Draft:Bibi Smit and Bibi Smit I see no indication that any such draft or article was ever edited(be it deleted or otherwise). Is is possible that you did not click "publish changes" to save the draft? 331dot (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I didn't click on "publish changes". Well thanks for the help! I will start again (: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisadesapinto (talk • contribs) 10:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Elisadesapinto I'm not sure if you are aware, but "publish changes" should be interpreted to mean "save changes". It does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It used to say "save changes" but was changed for legal reasons, to emphasize that anything saved is potentially visible to the public. 331dot (talk) 10:50, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thanks for the help!

Adding a blog as an external Link.

Good Morning,

I am a newbie and need help. Thanks in advance.

I blog travelogues and book reviews at https://suchetagautham.blogspot.com. This is my personal blog.

I would like to add the below as an external reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turuvekere https://suchetagautham.blogspot.com/2020/09/a-sightseeing-trip-to-turuvekere-meets.html

Can I?

Thanks, Sucheta Sucheta Gautham (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, no. We don't add blog entries to articles. I don't mean this as a criticism of your blog entry: it's not "encyclopedic" writing (and of course isn't intended to be); but in its own way it's a lot better than is the Wikipedia article in its way. If you'd like to improve the current article, and can do so from reliable, independent, published sources -- independent both of commercial interests and of your own interests -- then you'd be very welcome to do so. Indeed, it would be very easy to improve this article: I could make sweeping and beneficial changes in just twenty minutes; however, I'll leave this enjoyable project to you. -- Hoary (talk) 09:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Sucheta Gautham. First off, I must commend you for actually asking first instead of just doing it! This is imo already a tremendous step towards being a good Wikipedia author :)

However, Hoary is right: Blogs are not acceptable sources, excepts in very rare cases. There is a consensus policy about this which you can e.g. read about here. Using blogs is especially forbidden when writing about people, as stated here. Another problem - even with a well-researched blog - is that it is always a personal opinion of someone, which can easily violate an article's neutral point of view. So, better not do it and instead look for other sources: Since you are familiar with the area, you could probably easily find some from e.g. local news. And as Hoary stated, you can already do a lot by just correcting and improving on existing content in the article. Good luck! --LordPeterII (talk) 10:31, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary and LordPeterII: Just going by the section heading the OP chose, I think they might be asking whether they could add their blog to the article’s “External links” section and not whether they can cite their blog as a reliable source.

@Sucheta Gautham: If my understanding of your question is correct, then I think you’d like to add a link to your blog to the article as an external link. If that’s the case, then the relevant guideline is Wikipedia:External links, in particular the section titled “Links normally to be avoided”. I don’t think such a thing would be allowed per item 11 of that section, unless your blog is something recognized as an authoritative account of things happening in Turuvekere and would be seen as having encyclopedic value to Wikipedia readers. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

shortest comments about lemma 3.3 of Harvey's arxiv:2010.05450v1 deleted.

I have written a very short (and very easy) maths proof about some absurd prime factoring algorithms recently proposed in arxiv.org, in order to show how absurd they are in the 'factorization' talk page so i can enlighten the wikipedia editors and wikipedia readers, which was deleted in the same day.

Can I just re-edit it? Or could some editor kindly merge it somewhere. Does it violate any policies if I did? It's a very short and very simple 10 line proof. My only purpose is enlightenment about facts. You have the right to know simple and basic scientific facts. Unfortunately, my naive impression is that the wikipedia community really hates facts from the bottom. Aquahabitant (talk) 10:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

You inserted your original research into the Talk page of an article: Talk:Factorization. Original research has no place in articles, nor in Talk pages of articles. Hence, deleted. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a compendium of facts. ArXiv.org is not peer-reviewed, so even if your proof was published there, that would not be considered a reliable source for a draft of a Wikipedia article about the proof. David notMD (talk) 11:41, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Gravity acceleration. Question: What readings would be obtained if a gravimeter is theoretically placed 2000 km below the earth surface? Will the mass above it affect the reading?

Gravity acceleration, Will the mass above a gravimeter theoretically placed at 2000 km below the earth surface affect the generally accepted reasoning of a vertical vector acting from that position to the centre of the earth? 197.91.242.132 (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 197.91.242.132. While your question sounds interesting, the Teahouse is really a place for asking questions about about Wikipedia editing or other things related to Wikipedia. Try asking your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk and perhaps someone will be able to help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes adding every vector for every bit of mass surrounding the gravity sensor will require summing all forces and directions using integral calculus, but yes drilling deep into the Earth will change the gravity measured. The deepest mines ever dug are still less than 4 km deep while the center of the Earth is 6000 km deep Electricmic (talk) 15:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong forum for the question, but it's an old favorite of mine, so I really have to say something. I started college life as a physics major. It didn't work out (to say the least), but I did more or less get through fundamental mechanics. And I particularly remember the professor dealing with just this question. He showed us, with integral calculus, that if you're in a hollow sphere, all the gravity from all parts of the sphere adds up to cancel itself out. So in a hollow sphere, you'll experience net zero gravity from the mass of the shell. And if you're inside a solid ball, to figure the gravity you can neglect everything outside the radius you happen to be at.

The professor knew this was counterintuitive, so he paused to let it sink in. And one fellow in the class (who, I suspect, had already decided physics wasn't for him) asked if he'd understood the result correctly. When the professor told him he had, he asked, "Is there a logical reason for that, or does it have something to do with physics?" Uporządnicki (talk) 13:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikiversity link with lots of math (electric field instead of gravity field, but the math is the same). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

2 Questions: Need escape character for "upright stroke", and tricky date problem for a BLP

Howdy, so I've two quick questions: First off, I have the character "|" (not capital i, but this upright stroke thingy) in a source's title. For obvious reasons, I can't include it in my reference under "|title=", but I can't find any escape characters to allow it to display anyway. I could certainly also change the title, but I'd prefer to keep it original as otherwise I'd be changing information for no good reason.

Second, I am trying to write my first living person biography atm (about d:Q1594966), and am looking at her birth date: This is tricky, because it is quoted as being "10 May 1975" in Wikidata imported from 3 (!) different sources, although some of them don't seem to be very authoritative. A precise look, however, yields that the most authoritative of these sources only states the year, 1975, and not the month and date (as would be assumed from the wikidata entry). Much worse yet, her OWN website states that she was born "May 1969" - why would she lie about her own age, especially if it makes her 6 years older? The German Wikipedia article for her also states "10 May 1969" - but referencing it from her website, which does NOT state the day, only the month! So... what am I supposed to do here? Don't wanna mess up a WP:BLP here...

So, if I would go by the date that makes most sense to me, "May 1969", I could still not use {{birth date and age}} because I lack the day in infobox person, and omitting the month to be able to use {{birth year and age}} feels like omitting information for no good reason. Is there any way to display only month and year? LordPeterII (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, LordPeterII. For the first question, see Template:pipe (with various alternative names). --ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

For BLP, it is standard practice to only have month and year, so use | birth_date = {{birth year and age|1969|5}} in this case, assuming that's the age you wish to show. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:59, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, that both works! And was quite simple, so thanks! I'm still slightly confused about Wikidata being wrong, but eh, I'm editing Wikipedia after all. --LordPeterII (talk) 14:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

customization

How do I add a search box to my home page. Used to have one (associated with my login, of course). Mrreed1939 (talk) 13:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mrreed1939. A search box for what, exactly? Every single page here has a "Search Wikipedia" box at the top of it. Unless I'm missing something blindingly obvious, I think you'll need to be a lot more specific if you want a better answer from us, sorry. That said, there are user scripts you can add to enhance search functions. Maybe that's what you mean? See this page. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

(Just yfi: There was an off-topic post by me here, which I removed. It seems to have been an error because I used the "new question" button, but it did appear here instead.) --LordPeterII (talk) 13:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

"Every single page here has a "Search Wikipedia" box at the top of it." Not true. There is a clickable "Search" icon on my home page (as well as many other pages), but not a text box to enter the search criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrreed1939 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: Browser-specific startpages, usally with URL's like about:newtab, about:home, chrome:///start, chrome:///home may or may not have full implementation of Wikipedia's search service. We cannot do anything about that, since they are browser-speecific and on top of that intentionally protected by the respective browsers. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mrreed1939: I think Victor Schmidt is spot on. The only time I see only the search icon (a magnifying glass) is when I'm in mobile view on old iPhone. But when I tap it, the search box opens OK for me to type in my search strings. Perhaps you would care to tell us a little bit more about your system setup, and whether you are using an app to access Wikipedia, or simply using your browser like most people do? Turning off all browser extensions might also be something you could try (or even changing 'skins' in your Preferences settings. But it sounds like the problem your describe doesn't seem to be one caused directly by Wikipedia, but more by your own individual setup. Without knowing more, I doubt we can help you further. Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

How to become a wrighter

I was wonder how do I become a wrighter on here? 73.121.66.34 (talk) 21:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Learning to edit is like learning to walk as a baby, or to drive as an adult. Take slow, careful steps is the best way to avoid bumping in to things. Base everything you add on reliable sources (citations) and listen to the advice of more experienced editors. Ensuring you can spell correctly is helpful, but not essential. Remember, this is an encyclopaedia, not a creative writing place, so keep the tone neutral, unbiased and informative. See Help:Introduction to get you started. Maybe also take our interactive tour at The Wikipedia Adventure. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Consider creating an account for yourself, as in the past the IP address you are using was used to vandalize articles (presumably not you, but someone else). David notMD (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

As a detail, you might consider paying attention to the squiggly red line that might appear under some words you "write." For example, the word "wrighter." That line might be trying to tell you something important. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Wars and battles

How can I edit pages about war or battle? I don't know how to add a flag or name of country a lot. JoeBidenfan (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

San Francisco Bay article

Hello Teahouse hosts. While perusing through Wikipedia for things related to New Albion, Sir Francis Drake, and Sebastião Rodrigues Soromenho, I came across the San Francisco Bay Area article. I immediately saw that it had egregious errors which I corrected. In the history, I see that these were not the first such errors. Considering this, I wonder about the reliability of the rest of the article. Furthermore, not all the links to references work. This is rated as a Good Article. I'm not sure it deserves that rating and wonder, other than asking on the talk page, how to address this. It seems an important article as it regularly exceeds 1500 views a day. That is many people who have received erroneous information presented in a highly rated article. Your thoughts? Kind regards.Hu Nhu (talk) 04:09, 12 November 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 04:09, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

It's possible a fair chunk of those links have rotted and should be replaced. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 04:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu:, @Jéské Couriano:, I visited the San Francisco Bay Area article, and "rescued"/archived 201 out of 292 references. I did notice that some of the refs had already been archived, before I did this. I hope this is helpful. Hu Nhu, if you cannot access the original ref, click on the "archived" link for the ref. For me, it takes longer to load the archived link, but usually the info is there. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your thoughtful comments and kind attention.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:59, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Is this a template?

So, I've been working with the article "Matthew Kulke" which has quite a few problems, one of the biggest ones being there are zero references. I know there has to be a under referenced or no reference template but I'm not sure where to find it. SnazzyInfinity (talk) Special:Contributions/SnazzyInfinity 15:50, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

SnazzyInfinity I've added it from Twinkle tag option Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:17, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks SnazzyInfinity (talk) Special:Contributions/SnazzyInfinity 16:19, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Copy Edit

What is a copy edit? And how do you create a data box on the right of an article (the gray box that has facts)? Wikiboss4065 (talk) 16:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikiboss4065 A copy edit is when someone goes through an article fixing spelling, grammar, punctuation and style issues. The easiest way to do an infobox is to find an existing article with the relevant infobox and change the data Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Jimfbleak Thanks! Wikiboss4065 - talk to me? 16:27, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

How many Wikipedias are there

How many — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.169.10.33 (talk) 17:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

If you're asking how many "wikipedias" there are, there is only one, and you're on it. If you're asking how many pages there are, as of September 2020, there are 6 160 988 articles. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

There are currently 314 language editions of Wikipedia. Please see List of Wikipedias.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Need help making an edit to a page

Hello wikipedia world! I am trying to edit Nikema Williams' page and change her photo for her. I know I have to make 10 edits and wait 4 days before I become authorized, but it has proven difficult. What is the easiest way to get a new image uploaded for her page? Thanks! Ivyreynoldss (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

convenience link: Nikema Williams —valereee (talk) 16:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Ms. Reynolds, it looks like you have an association with Ms. Williams? It's best if you don't edit the article directly, as Wikipedia considers that a conflict of interest. What you can do is upload a free-use file at Wikimedia Commons, then at the Nikima Williams talk page, make an edit request. —valereee (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to ping Ivyreynoldss —valereee (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Ivyreynoldss: Sure. First, declare your paid status on your user page. See WP:PAID. (See WP:COI if you are an unpaid volunteer). Then, take a picture of the subject. The photographer (you) are the copyright owner of a picture and can therefore licence the picture under CC-BY-SA. Then, go to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard and follow the instructions to upload your picture to Commons. finally, go to Talk:Nikema Williams to ask that someone add the picture to the article. Use {{request edit}} to attract the attention of an editor to do this. -Arch dude (talk) 18:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

VPN IP Block Exemption Userbox

Hello, I have recently acquired an VPN IP block exemption. Is there a userbox for this, I haven’t been able to find one. If so would someone please make one? I will invest my time for the next day after the custom box is made and I will invest it in editing a topic or article the person chooses if they make me a custom userbox.🙂 SmileyTrek (talk) 03:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

SmileyTrek, unfortunately, there is not. Feel free to create one though! Enjoy your stay at the teahouse! Heart ^(talk) 05:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@SmileyTrek: At Wikipedia:Userboxes there is a list of users who will create a userbox if you ask. RudolfRed (talk) 05:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@HeartGlow30797 and RudolfRed: Thank you to both of you (Sorry for two pings I accidentally forgot to log in so I erased my IP signature)! SmileyTrek (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

SmileyTrek, you might want to consider suppression so nobody can identify you... edit history is still a thing! Heart ^(talk) 04:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797 Thank you for the advice! I am new and very much value my privacy, so I will follow your example. SmileyTrek (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Excuse my ignorance, what's a userbox? Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Maryanne Cunningham:Sure thing! You can find them in Wikipedia:Userboxes, if you look at talk pages they identify things about a user. SmileyTrek (talk) 03:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks SmileyTrek Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Please help me in solving this problem about updating this article (Sasha Banks)

I sent many times edit requests (as the page is semi protected) to add this missing parts to the article (In the first part of the page that mentions the summary & the highlights of her career , it ends with In February 2019, she won the inaugural WWE Women's Tag Team Championship with her former tag team partner, Bayley (then known as The Boss 'n' Hug Connection), at the Elimination Chamber pay-per-view , an update is needed & that's to add after her inaugral Tag Team Championship win in 2019 that she won the Smackdown Women's Championship at Hell in a Cell 2020 & that made her a triple crown & grand slam champion & also it doesn't mention her total number of Women's Championship reigns (in both singles (7) & tag (2)), also this part of the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_Banks#External_links includes the following part Links to related articles that includes many lists (WWE personnel , WWE Raw Women's Champions , WWE Women's Tag Team Champions , NXT Women's Champions , Grand Slam and Triple Crown champions) but missing this list (WWE SmackDown Women's Champions) that is added in all of the former champions pages & not added to the aforementioned lists in this part of her page despite her being the current champion & here is the link of this missed list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_SmackDown_Women%27s_Champions#External_links) instead of adding this missing parts they answer me with the same reply each time it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate , as you see that what I mentioned above is so obvious & it doesn't always have to be to correct something wrong in the article (x) to(y), in some cases what is needed is to add important missing information to the appropriate parts of the article for the article to be complete & I provided them with a reliable source but they ignore it https://www.wwe.com/superstars/sasha-banks 197.46.25.114 (talk) 19:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

This same question is posted to the help desk. Please don't post questions in more than one place. RudolfRed (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

If the 2012 cartoons depicting Muhammad had no copyright, would it be displayed on wikipedia?

This picture: "One cartoon depicted Muhammad as a nude man on all fours with a star covering his anus.[41][42] Another shows Muhammad bending over naked and begging to be admired." Annemaricole (talk) 12:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Charlie Hebdo#2012 cartoons depicting Muhammad

@Annemaricole: If you're proposing to add the two cartoons discussed, you have to make sure you have a clear rationale for it according to WP:NFCCP, specifically with #3a: Minimal number of items (there's already a cover above the section) and #8: Contextual significance (do we need to see the two cartoons to understand?) Note that the Wikipedia is not censored, so the sexual nature of the cartoons isn't necessarily a problem. I would suggest going to the talk page and get consensus before adding the images. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby:, hi, thanks, WP:censored had what i was looking for! "Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so. Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annemaricole (talk • contribs) 12:40, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

There's another matter. The heading suggests that the 2012 cartoons have no copyright. But at least under U.S. copyright law, copyright exists in a work the moment it is set down in some fixed form. While registering the work for copyright does bring some advantages, it is only a registration of copyright, creating a legal record of the facts of copyright. It does not create copyright. And while many years ago, notices of copyright were required, that stopped being the case long before 2012. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:55, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

You know, on coming back to this, I realize I've misconstrued the purpose and significance of the heading here. I'm striking out my comment above. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Government Media

I am a university student currently working on the stub Commercial Radio Australia for a Wikipedia education class. My tutor is Carrolquadrio. I am in the process of uploading media and have found two files on Trove that I would like to upload. The sources are images of articles on the Wireless Telegraphy Act and the Joint Broadcasting Committee. The first work is original work of the Australian Federal Government, and the second is a newspaper article from 1942. I have gone through the Wikimedia Wizard, and there is no option for me to select 'original work of the Australian Federal Government', and as such, the Wizard is "unable to determine whether this file is suitable for Commons". Would someone be able to help me with this? Thanks -- SM9237 (talk) 07:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse SM9237. I don't understand why you would want to upload them. If it is only to cite them in references, don't upload them; content on Wikipedia is not a reliable source for references. Cite instead the original act and the original newspaper article. You could link to Trove if you like, but that is not necessary. —teb728 t c 10:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi teb728. I'd like to upload these sources as media to support the 'Regulation of commercial radio in Australia' section of my article - as the article is currently lacking in media/images. Could you help me with uploading these to Wikimedia Commons? Thanks -- SM9237 (talk) 21:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

OK SM9237. The Wireless Telegraphy Act is {{PD-AustraliaGov}}, and the newspaper article is {{PD-Australia}}. But frankly, if I were an editor on the article, I would oppose their addition. For it sounds to me that your use is just to decorate the article with media/images. They would appear in the article as illegible thumbnails, and at least as far as the newspaper is concerned, even at full resolution it is barely legible on my computer. —teb728 t c 21:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Article ready for revision

Rookie question: I just finished writing the article Draft:Bibi Smit and want to submit it for revision. How do I submit it? Any help would be great. Thanks in advance! Elisadesapinto (talk) 20:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Elisadesapinto. Simply post this: {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page and save (click the Publish changes button). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Source reliability

I am attending to the history section of the San Francisco Bay Area article and wonder if this [16] HERE is a reliable source. I've read through wp:reliable and lack confidence that this source should be considered reliable. I look forward to hearing from you.Hu Nhu (talk) 16:24, 12 November 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 16:24, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: I agree with you. The "Moraga Explores the Valley", although likely an accurate precise of the Gabriel Moraga Expedition of 1806, is not Wikipedia reliable.

The book "The Gabriel Moraga Expedition Of 1806: The Diary Of Fray Pedro Munoz" would be more appropriate for a reference.

There is a journal article that might be more accessible: "The Gabriel Moraga Expedition of 1806: The Diary of Fray Pedro Muñoz". It is a journal article in the Hunting Library Quarterly. It uses as its primary source, Fray Pedro Munoz's actual written account. It can found at"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3816007?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents.

Here is the cite for the journal article:

Muñoz, Fray Pedro, et al. “The Gabriel Moraga Expedition of 1806: The Diary of Fray Pedro Muñoz.” Huntington Library Quarterly, vol. 9, no. 3, 1946, pp. 223–248. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/3816007. Accessed 12 Nov. 2020.

You can read it free by creating an account with Jstor (it doesn't cost anything to create the Jstor account).

It seems that this discussion should be on the talk page for the San Francisco Bay Area article. I will copy this section there for the record.

Osomite ^hablemos 22:13, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Outstanding and excellent. I do have a JSTOR account and will look at it. Thank you for your kind attention.Hu Nhu (talk) 22:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Student had material removed

Hi, I am a student in an education program and have added a template to that effect on my talk page. I added a lot of material to a stub I had chosen and I don’t understand why so much of it was removed by an editor.

Are you able to help me understand so that I can add the information back and not have it removed? Thanks. --Allenthetalon (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Allenthetalon. After looking at your contributions history, it appears the stub you're talk about is I Loves You, Porgy. If you look at that article's page history, you should see that most of the content you added wseems to have been removed by two editors: Michael Bednarek and EddieHugh. Each of them left an edit summary when they made their edits, but feel free to post something on Talk:I Loves You, Porgy if you'd like further clarification regarding their edits.

It can sometimes be a bit of a shock when you add content to an article and then see it removed by others, but that's kind of how Wikipedia works sometimes; when this happens, often the best thing to do is to look for edit summaries in the page's history which might explain why. If you don't find any such edit summaries or do find them but don't understand them, then it's perfectly OK to ask for clarification on the article's talk page.

Sometimes the changes made were ones previously discussed before and a WP:CONSENSUS was established against making them; others times the content added might not be in accordance with some Wikipedia policy or guideline and was reverted or revised accordingly. In some cases, the change might not be considered and improvement in terms of style or flow and doesn't really fit with the other content in the article. Michael Bednarek and EddieHugh are both experienced editors and they'd probably be happy to further clarify the "problems" they found with your additions if you just ask them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@R stasey: Allenthetalon is one of your students? Please help Allenthetalon with this. Fransplace (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Indians in Bhutan

Hello Everybody My Name is Adarsh Anshuman and I created a article regarding Indians in Bhutan, I have a reference with regard to all the claims I have made, I have accessed the UN Official Data for Immigrants in Bhutan, but unfortunately I could not add It, because I am not that good in adding reference links. So could somebody please add a reference. UN Migrant Stock by Origin and Destination. Could somebody also please edit my page and add 7.0% as the total population of Indian Immigrants in Bhutan. I will be glad If somebody can add these references and the 7.0% total population figure, so that my page can have a decent reference and my page can be approved. With Regards Adarsh Anshuman. Adarsh3695 (talk) 00:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adarsh Anshuman: You appear to be speaking about Draft:Indians in Bhutan. Please read Help:Footnotes, and try to come up with three sources for your Draft. I'll also add a note to the Talk page. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 00:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Adding a date

I'm trying to use the Cite book template. The original date was in the 9th century (AD). I've looked at all the guidance on dates I can find, but can't see how to insert Ninth century/9th century without incurring an error. Grateful for any guidance. Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maryanne Cunningham. As far as I can tell, the date= parameter in cite book will work with a simple year, e.g., 895, or if the year is approximate "c. 895", the same appears true of the year= parameter. AD is assumed, as default. For "years before 100 AD, including BCE/BC dates. Try using parameter |orig-date=" instead." For further information (where that quote is from), please see Help:CS1 errors#bad date. If that doesn't help, can you advise exactly which date-insertion parameter(s) you have tried in the cite book template, and what exact text you want to insert? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

This citation: <ref>{{cite book |title=Ye Ancient Book |author=Very Old Author |date=c. 895}}</ref> generates this reference,^[1] as seen below. Mathglot (talk) 01:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

References

^ Very Old Author (c. 895). Ye Ancient Book. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)

Does this count as an orphan?

So I was clicking through "random article" and stumbled upon Lida Fleitmann Bloodgood, which I believe may be an orphan. Apart from the redirects and my sandbox, the only page that links to it is Piping Rock Club which uses it in one of the references, does this count? SnazzyInfinity (talk) Special:Contributions/SnazzyInfinity 16:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the stumble. I've proposed the article for deletion as it does not appear to be a notable topic. It should be gone in a week. Mathglot (talk) 02:01, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Confusion about relevance of topic information

Hey guys, I'm currently editing the stub and i am confused as to whether the title of the stub "Europe, the Middle East and Africa" relates broadly to the continents and their relationship with one another (that is, anything on the continents can be included in the article) or whether it is confined to "EMEA" (industry specific term). Can someone please give me some direction? Mazz2129 (talk) 10:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC) Mazz2129 (talk) 10:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the stub classification.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Mazz2129, yeah, I'm afraid you indeed confused the topic: As far as I see, the article is supposed to be just about the term "EMEA" and anything related to it, and not the continents in general. Just adding information (even though properly researched and cited!) to it does not automatically improve a stub. I would like to hear the opinion of more veteran editors on this, but imo only stuff related to "EMEA" makes sense here, and thus the article would need to be substantially trimmed back again. Sorry! (jyi @Shantavira, I believe this wasn't about stub status, but about article scope) --LordPeterII (talk) 12:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mazz2129: I agree. We certainly have plenty of coverage in more specific articles about Europe, Middle East, and Africa, and even more specific articles, like History of Europe, Early Middle Ages, Fall of the Western Roman Empire, etc.. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:06, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Soundtracks to video games

Hi. I just wrote and made the whole soundtrack for the page on Skate 3. My question is, should I do it for more video games? It does take quite a while to do, and I don't just want to spend an hour or so doing it and then, 15 minutes later, get it removed for "being an excessive dump of information". Thanks! Nolanisntfunny (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC) Nolanisntfunny (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nolanisntfunny. No, in my opinion that isn't appropriate unless there has been indepdendent discussion of the soundtractk: see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. --ColinFine (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Just a quick editing question, Nolanisntfunny. Shouldn't it say: "consists of" and not "consisted of"? Nothing is past tense when it still is in existence. Actually, does the sentence even need to be included? It's pretty self-evident that these are the titles that consist of the soundtrack. Even albums do not have this preface. Maineartists (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

First up, thanks Maineartists , I have fixed that. Second up, ColinFine , could you explain that to me a little clearer? WP:INDISCRIMINATE seems vague to me. I also don't see why there needs to be independant articles on it's soundtrack... there are millions of independant articles on Skate 3 and the soundtrack of Skate 3 is a direct part of Skate 3. Besides, it's got TONS of notable groups in it, such as Pixies, Joy Division, Johnny Thunders, etc. I'll keep it for now unless I get a few more opinions on it... that was a pain in the ass to do, and I don't want to doink it quite yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolanisntfunny (talk • contribs) 01:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nolanisntfunny: Not commenting on whether it should be in the article or not, but please please see RWBY#Volume 1 Soundtrack and Assassin's Creed (video game)#Music for examples of how other game articles format soundtrack listings using {{Track listing}}. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

What pages do you mostly edit?

What pages do you mostly edit? Bedant Dahal (talk) 02:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse questions are answered by a bunch of volunteers ("Hosts") who also edit articles. What they choose to edit is up to them David notMD (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Reliable source

Hi wikipedians! Is macrotrends.net a reliable source? Just asking, thanks ~ Azpineapple (talk) 05:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Apparently not. See this discussion. -- Hoary (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Republic TV

Please visit [17]. I wished to know how the process would work. Will it be an admin who evaluates the result and add it to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, or should I do something on the topic, rather than just join the discussion.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 06:14, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

It's not a matter that requires one or more administrators. An experienced and respected non-administrator is just as able to conclude the discussion (or attempt to) as an administrator. But RSN discussions typically don't have clear conclusions. (Yes, there can be clear conclusions; but it doesn't seem that the discussion is close to that yet.) I'd urge you not to attempt to close the discussion. (Also, avoid boldface: it comes off like shouting, and makes people less likely to take seriously the text or writer that uses it.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Justin Picard

Would any reviewers be willing to take a look at the draft above? I'm aware that there is currently a heavy backlog of submissions, but the draft has been pending review now for over 3 months. The subject pertains to WP:ACAD, WP:CH, WP:CA and WP:BIZ. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 07:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Latest stable software release templates

Why the most software versions in category are not updated to the last versions? It is not best solution to centralize all versions on Wikidata?--2001:B07:6442:8903:A023:1C60:6E70:6DE8 (talk) 09:14, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

article help

My article was recently declined on grounds that it doesnt meet the wikipedia notability guides, however I used external independent sources and wrote factually - so I'm unsure what to do in order to improve/resubmit Nlm94 (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for asking this question at the Teahouse, Nlm94. Whilst nobody doubts that the club you're writing about at Draft:Kensington Dragons Football Club actually exists, the problem you face is that it does not look sufficiently notable to merit having an article here. Wikipedia is not a place to promote minor clubs and societies' so, until such times as it is written about in detail and in depth by independent sources, the reality is that it won't be approved for mainspace. I realise this will be a disappointment for you, but unless you can find better and more detailed sources, you would be wasting your time trying to improve it in other ways. Are there not other topics of note here that you could contribute to instead? For a complete newcomer to create a new article here is really difficult, especially as creating any new page is one of the hardest tasks any editor can do. The Wikipedia Adventure is a good place for a new editor to get an overview of how things work here. See also WP:NSPORTS and WP:NCORP for guidance on sports notability and organisation notability criteria. Nick Moyes (talk)

List of equipment of the Bangladesh Army

Hi, can someone take a look at List of equipment of the Bangladesh Army article and the history of it, as well as to the comment of the user involved? It just doesn't look good. Your opinion would be highly appreciated. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 10:01, 13 November 2020 (UTC) Lotje (talk) 10:01, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lotje: welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixing the appallingly large image of the weapon. Some people like to leave blunt messages for others on their user talk pages, even if they're too blind to see their own mistakes, as this editor was. Just ignore people's attitudes and stick to following Wikipedia's policies and you should be OK. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you every so much Nick Moyes. Lotje (talk) 11:31, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I just created my first article- feedback please?

Hello, I just created a Wikipedia page for Umm Al Emarat Park, it should be available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Al_Emarat_park

I'm not sure if it's good enough or if there's something I should change, I'm looking for some guidance from more seasoned editors to tell me if I did alright. Thank you for your time. BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 09:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC) BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Currently Umm Al Emarat park. Article name should be changed to Umm Al Emarat Park. David notMD (talk) 09:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

David_notMD what do you mean? Like, how is that different from what I linked to? Also, any comments? BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse. Wikipedia is written in a dry neutral tone, so content like "It has been described as an outdoor classroom, a place to rediscover leisure and wellness, a calming space to unplug from the city and reconnect with nature, and above all, a meeting place for family and friends" and "one of the oldest and largest urban parks" is unsourced and promotional so I have removed it. Theroadislong (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

The word "park" is capitalized in your first sentence, so the Wikilink did not work when I commented. Hence my providing a correct Wikilink. However, an editor has since changed the article title to "Park." David notMD (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Self promotion, and how to avoid it?

I twice wrote an article on my YouTube/Twitch channel, but every time I seemed to add a link for my channel, and/or talked of my efforts in speedrunning and such, it was rejected for "sounding too much like a self-promo." Any help on how to successfully upload it, without getting rejected? Xdude gamer (talk) 13:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Xdude gamer. My advice on how to avoid self promotion, is to stop trying to promote yourself and your activities here. Unless several people wholly unconnected with you taken enough interest to write significant coverage about them and been published in reliable sources, then Wikipedia is not interested in them, and you are wasting your time and effort in trying to get into Wikipedia. Please read What Wikipedia is not. --ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

History of Draft:Meaningless Journey appears to be that you drafted and submitted about yourself, then deleted and created a renamed draft about your band. Either way, to second what ColinFine wrote, Wikipedia notability requires sources (references) written about you or about the band, not by you. David notMD (talk) 14:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Submission Error

I have got error for this page as There is no reception section describing how the film is notable per the guidelines listed here: WP:NFILM. One review is at least linked to (in an odd location), but more reviews are needed. The only other source labeled as a review does not actually have a review posted. Amazon Prime response is not reliable unless there is a reliable source quoting this somewhere. below is the page link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gosi_Gang Reviews are already attached in reference ODD location means & what is reception section Sarvasva30 (talk) 11:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

This article was recently declined on grounds that it doesnt meet the wikipedia notability guides, however I used external independent sources and wrote factually - so I'm unsure what to do in order to improve/resubmit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maasthi_Upparahalli Sarvasva30 (talk) 11:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Sarvasva30, Hello! The reception section is used to describe what reviewers and the general public thought about the subject. What did they like? How well did it do in the box office? What awards were it nominated for? etc. Use Avengers: Endgame as an example. Here, they explain how much money the movie made, what the critical responses were, and the awards the movie won and was nominated for. Le Panini ^Talk 12:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response added reception for the page have another issue with this page This article was recently declined on grounds that it doesnt meet the wikipedia notability guides, however I used external independent sources and wrote factually - so I'm unsure what to do in order to improve/resubmit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maasthi_Upparahalli

It seems the article was declined for two reasons:

1. Additional citation

2. Relies too much on primary sources

I'll go over both and explain them in detail.

While the article has citations, it needs more to verify it as a notable subject. The reviewer left a link to WP:NBIO, and I suggest you take a look at it for the complete set of rules of the subject.

Primary sources are sources related to or closely related to the subject. An autobiography written by Maasthi Upparahalli would be a primary source, and someone talking about this autobiography would be a third party source.

If you have any other questions, let me know. Le Panini ^Talk 15:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

PackManEng

Ok so User:PackManEng is getting pretty annoying. Just look at his talk page for heavens sake! I know the tea house isn’t a place to ask this but I’m new and don’t know anywhere else to go. After living 36 years I have NEVER ever seen anybody like this on Wikipedia. He has constantly played the role of the devils advocate and has hounded multiple times. Please Help!! Lukeskrobot11 (talk) 16:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

If you have an issue with an editor, you first should take it up with them. If that doesn't help, you can try different kinds of WP:DR, including the administrator's noticeboard or its subpages. However, you have hardly edited on enwiki, and I don't see any evidence that PackManEng has interacted with you, never mind in a houding way. It is rather strange to see someone making out of the blue such an accusation, which violates our "no personal attacks" policy. Please indicate exactly what the issue is (at which articles or talk pages have you been hounded or otherwise bothered by them?). Simply accusing someone of poor behaviour without any indication of what it is you are worried about will not lead to any action against that other editor, but may reflect badly on you. Fram (talk) 16:28, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@PackMecEng: I guess this is about you? Fram (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Better: @PackMecEng: Fram (talk) 16:31, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Lukeskrobot11. There is no editor with that username. Perhaps you are thinking of User:PackMecEng, who is female. The first step is to discuss your specific concerns with the editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:32, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Lukeskrobot11 Rubbernecking does no good. Over four years, PackMedEng has had disagreements with other editors, but never with you, who registered less than one month ago. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I do not think we have interacted before. If we had I do not recall and apologies. Is there something I can do to help? PackMecEng (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

All my edits get revert

All my edits get revert (っ °Д °;)っ PlsBeQUIET (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

All your edits were vandalism. David notMD (talk) 16:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

And what kind of copy-paste text emoji even is that? Like, what emotion is it portraying? Le Panini ^Talk 16:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Infoboxes

How do I create infoboxes? I'm new to Wikipedia, and a lot of the stuff here is confusing to me. I was wondering how I can put infoboxes on a new page. Please reply to this if you can help me. Thanks, WikiToaster1 (talk) 16:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@WikiToaster1: Many already-coded infobox templates are avaliable; a list can be found at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes. You can go to the documentation page for the most appropriate one, copy the template into your article, and fill in whatever parameters you can. A number of people find it easier just to copy the infobox from a similar article and replace the parameter values as necessary. Deor (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

An issue with userboxes.

Hello, Teahouse. :-)

I'm having a problem with userboxes on my user page. At the time of writing, you can see the result of this live at User:SeparateTitan92.

When trying to insert a number of userboxes one on top of another, they form a strange kind of staircase pattern. Is this a problem that others see too or just me and, if it is visible to others, how do I solve this?

Thanks and have a nice day. SeparateTitan92 (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I removed the blank lines between. Is that what you wanted? Or perhaps not, as now across page and you mentioned wanting stacked? David notMD (talk) 17:01, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your help. Another person posted on my talk page that there was a way to group userboxes together, so I have used that solution with my WikiProject boxes and your solution with the rest. Thanks, have a nice day! SeparateTitan92 (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Kilometer/kilometre

Should you use kilometer or kilometre? -³²²UbnBr₂ (Talk | Contributions | Actions) 19:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Unbinilium-322 Dibromide, welcome to the Teahouse. It would depend on the variety of English the article is written in. There's more formatting information at Wikipedia:Kilometre. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Working on Updating Citations

Hi Wiki editors! I am working on submitting a draft page and I have reviewed the citation styles and I believe I have added them in the correct format and updated the draft page. That said, I can't seem to figure out how to remove 1-14 now. See Draft:The Friedkin Group for the page I'm discussing. I think it's because they are still referenced in line (within the text) so now it's as if they are doubled up but I'm unsure how to delete or fix because I still want the citations to point to somewhere. Is there a place I can reference to understand how to make the in line citations match up to the reference list? I hope that makes sense and would appreciate any further guidance so I can continue to clean up the submission! Thank you! LucyArn (talk) 17:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, LucyArn, and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that Victor Schmidt has already edited your draft to remove the duplicate references; I would suggest taking a look at this diff to see what exactly they did. Did this answer your questions? CThomas³ (talk) 20:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Cthomas3, for showing me that! And, Victor Schmidt, very much appreciate the assist! LucyArn (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Unable to Post Justice Alito's Video

I just saw today's video from Justice Alito, and I tried to post the link on his Talk page. A Wikipedia filter blocked me from posting the link. Charles Juvon (talk) 20:30, 13 November 2020 (UTC) Charles Juvon (talk) 20:30, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Charles Juvon, yes some URLs are blacklisted. Consider finding a different website that hosts the video. Also it's rarely worth posting a URL by itself; maybe add to your post what parts of the video you consider relevant and why they have a bearing on the article. Regards, Zindor (talk) 20:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Charles Juvon. I'm not clear why you would want to post a video of the subject on the Talk page. It is by definition a primary source, so until there is indpendent material published about it, it is almost irrelevant to the article. Please first discuss on the talk page just what changes to the article you are considering or recommending, and why a link to the video would be relevant. Remember, the talk page is for discussing how the article could be improved: nothing else. --ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I had hoped to give a more experienced editor material to use.Charles Juvon (talk) 21:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Charles Juvon, that's understandable. It was kind of you to make other editors aware of the video but it's typically assumed that experienced editors already keep themselves abreast of such information. Unless there's something specific that needs discussing in regard to the article, it's best to refrain from posting links. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 21:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Inserting links

I mostly like to edit articles about older movies-- updating and expanding the information. I have not been able to find the instructions for how to link something to another article in Wikipedia. For instance, if the movie has Shirley Temple in the cast, I would like to add a link to the article about Shirley Temple-- can anyone give me step by step for a complete beginner of how to do that? Kimberjd (talk) 21:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kimberjd. The links you're describing are "internal links" or "Wikilinks" and you can find out more about them in MOS:LINK. There's another type of link as well called "external links" and you can find out about them in WP:EL. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Adding WikiProject tags to drafts

Hello, I am trying to tag my draft with relevant WikiProject tags, to improve my odds of a speedy review. However when I try to I get an error that says "Please check the draft page title. It doesn't seem to be in draft namespace"

Any help is greatly appreciated, this is my first page I have created and I really want it to be accepted, so I can create more.

Thank you for your time 199.188.137.126 (talk) 21:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)ALLBN 199.188.137.126 (talk) 21:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. You are not logged in, and this IP address of yours has only ever made just this one single edit at the Teahouse. So, it's impossible to look at your draft, as you didn't link to it. That said, it's not acceptable to add WikiProjects or Categories to draft pages. One should wait until a draft is approved and moved to the main part of the encyclopaedia. The best way of getting a speedy review is to ensure your draft is short, succinct, and references with good quality, independent reliable sources. But don't overdo the references: if you add in lots of trivial mentions you'll possibly put off reviewers, causing the process to lengthen, not shorten. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Structure for an article

So I've been looking at this mess of an article (Matthew Kulke) for a while now, trying to think of ways to fix it. I realize potentially one of the best ways would be to start by using some kind of template (not the Multiple issues kind) to structure it like an article, then add some links and references, but I'm not sure of the "correct" structuring of a biography. If someone could point me in the right direction (or left) with a link that would be great! SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 14:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to The Teahouse, could this be what you are looking for Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography? Theroadislong (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi SnazzyInfinity. I think the first thing you should do if you intend to improve it is add find reliable sources to cite in support of the article's content, and add them to the article asap; otherwise, the article is likely going to end up tagged or nominated for deletion, perhaps even by WP:BLPPROD, fairly quickly. Once some sources have been added to the article that establishes the subject's Wikipedia notability, you can then work on the formatting, etc. If you're looking for ideas on how to format the article, try looking at similar articles or even WP:FAs or WP:GAs for ideas. A perfectly formatted and written article is never going to be able to WP:OVERCOME a lack of proper sourcing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, I'll look those over. SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 14:55, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I tend to disagree with the advice given above. Starting with the existing content, and finding and citing references to support it, has it backwards. An easier, and more effective, method is

Discard the existing contents.
Find reliable independent sources that discuss the subject.
Rewrite the article, basing it entirely on what those sources say. Maproom (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

That works as well as long as it doesn't involving WP:BLANK; in other words, the existing content should probably be removed and replaced with the new properly sourced content in a single edit, which might be something a bit confusing for a new editor to try. It also implies a WP:TNT approach which might not be totally necessary per WP:PRESERVE if the only problem is a lack of proper sourcing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

What is the criteria for adding a picture to an article?

What is the criteria for adding a picture to an article? I would like to add a picture to Cignature's info box but I've noticed on a lot of articles, the info box pictures are taken by others from afar and are somewhat blurry, instead of being a more professional looking picture taken by people close (both physically and affiliation wise) to the people in the picture. Are more professional pictures not allowed? Hihelloitisi (talk) 17:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hihelloitisi. This area can get very technical, and we would need to know more specifics about the actual image you wanted to add, to fully tailor an answer. Here's some broad rules of thumb: We greatly prefer free images over non-free ("free" referring to copyright ownership); we do allow some images to be used under a claim of fair use, but they must meet the multiple strict requirements of the fair use criteria; with some rare exceptions, images of living people cannot be used here at all under fair use; and fair use images, in order to comply with that doctrine, must be of relatively low resolution.

For these reasons, the only usable images available to us for many subjects are either professional images that have been intentionally reduced in quality, or (especially with respect to living people), photos taken in person by Wikipedia/Wikimedia users, who then agree to release their copyright—either into the public domain or, more commonly, under a suitably-free copyright license (such photos are usually and properly then uploaded to our sister project, the Wikimedia Commons rather than to Wikipedia)—as opposed to the professional produced but non-free images you will see at many other websites. I hope that adequately explains why you may encounter so many pictures here of less than professional quality. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for all the information Fuhghettaboutit! As for the picture I had this in mind, but now I suppose it would be a problematic choice given the cropped out logo in the bottom right. Hihelloitisi (talk) 21:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the cropped-out logo is a serious problem. If necessary it can be cropped further. A much bigger concern is the copyright status of the image. Did you take it with your own camera? If not, do you have reason to believe that it is free of copyright restrictions? Maproom (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hihelloitisi FYI, "criteria" is the plural of "criterion." Uporządnicki (talk) 13:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

AzseicsoK, seriously you're nitpicking that at Teahouse? The entire point here is to be welcoming to well-intentioned newbies. —valereee (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

AzseicsoK, Valereee Agreeing with the above, I'll note that the nitpicked sentence containing "criteria" in the original makes perfect sense in the plural (actually seems more likely that the plural form was intended—after all, I provided multiple rules of thumb in response), so this "correction" may not be one at all.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit Well, I wasn't going to dispute the nitpicking--since even I can't deny that that's exactly what I was doing. But if it is "criteria," plural, then it should be "What ARE the criteria." Uporządnicki (talk) 00:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Expedite review

Hi there can anyone help me out here? Been almost 3 months that an article I wrote has been waiting to get reviewed. Is there any way to expedite the process? Hayleegraham (talk) 22:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hayleegraham Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted on your draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,516 pending submissions waiting for review." You will need to continue to be patient. 331dot (talk) 22:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Messinian (artist) now Declined. Reviewer left comments. There is a lot of puffery in the draft. Stuff like this: "With a relentless work ethic, a growing fan-base around the nation, and a commanding presence on stage, Messinian’s musical path was quickly met with global success. All that has to come out. And a paucity of refs. David notMD (talk) 03:14, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

What is Life Style ?

What does it mean Life Style ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle My understanding is Life style Is a personal choice forming the tendency to adapt a collective of habits and trends which form different pattern of living. Mish2022 (talk) 07:32, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mish2022: That is just one meaning of the word (see Lifestyle (sociology)). The page you linked to functions to disambiguate articles with similar-sounding titles or content. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok I understood thanks for help (Mish2022 (talk) 11:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC))(Mish2022 (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)) (Mish2022 (talk) 10:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mish2022 (talk • contribs) 08:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mish2022: As you can see by the above, your signature (four tildes: ~~~~) needs to be the very last thing in your post in order to be recognized as a signature. Please don't follow it with a parenthesis or anything else. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Undoing

I am trying to create a draft. I accidentally did something wrong, and I'm wondering if I can undo changes within edits without undoing the whole edit. Can I? D4135t 18:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

D4135t, Go into the page history, and click the undo button next to the recent edit. Le Panini ^Talk 18:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, D4135t, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you're asking, but I see that you have since reverted an edit you made, so I'm guessing that you've worked it out. But since I've looked: Unless you do something to rescue it, User:D4135t/Ridiculous Story is probably going to get speedily deleted under criterion WP:U5. Putting a "humour" tag doesn't make it any more relevant to Wikipedia than not doing so,. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, that's not what I mean. What I mean is only undoing a certain portion of the edit and not the whole edit. D4135t 18:53, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi D4135t. As far as I know there isn't an easy way to rectify two revisions together if content in the same area has been both added and removed. The simplest way would be to go to the "View History" tab, select the revisions you'd like to compare and click the 'Compare selected revisions' button. This will show you the exact changes and you can copy and paste the parts you need into a new edit window in another tab. This would be called a 'partial manual revert'. Zindor (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t: Just edit the article again and change what you want to change. Remember that all edits are recorded in the history of the page, so clicking undo to totally undo an edit is effectively no different than just editing the article and manually putting things back the way they were. It's just a question of which is less work for you, or more likely to be accurate. Use undo when you're reverting most of a change and just leaving a little bit, or manually edit if you're keeping most of a change and just removing/fixing something small. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I wish to create a Wikipedia site for the photographer James Fortune

I work with renowned rock photographer James Fortune, and he asked about Wikipedia. He has two websites jamesfortunephotography.com and james-fortune-archive.com His work is in the Smithsonian, The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in many rock books and on CD covers by artists such as Jimmy Page and others. A photo of his of John Bonham was used for Bonham's statue in England. There are numerous articles written about him, and his work has appeared in major publications all over the world. I think he would be a good subject for a Wikipedia article. Brookesaunders (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Brookesaunders. Wikipedia is not really a "website" for people in which they have pages or accounts per se as explained in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, but it is a website which contains encyclopedic articles written about people who are considered to meet its criteria for inclusion and article content. So, the first thing you're going to need to do is self-assess whether Fortune is someone considered to be Wikipedia notable. Try looking at Wikipedia:Notability (people) and also perhaps this guide written by a Wikipedia administrator named Ian.thomson to see if that's a real possibility. If it is, then perhaps you could start working on a draft for a possible article about him, and then submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready. You can find some general information on how articles are actually expected to be written and how citations are to be added to articles in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Brookesaunders: According to this search, this has been brought up a number of times, including Draft:James Fortune (photographer) by Brandyfortune that was declined for lack of sources, an editor Jamesfortune47 that was blocked for using the name of their apparent employer, which is not allowed, individual requests to various editors to try to get an article accepted, etc. I don't know if you are one of the previous people involved. If so, I'd suggest reviewing the plentiful informational links you've been given on policy and purpose of Wikipedia. It all comes down to whether you can demonstrate, via multiple independent, reliable sources that have covered him and his work in significant detail, that he is notable according to Wikipedia's criteria. If you are WP:PAID or have a relationship with him (WP:COI), those policies apply as well. Lastly, consider that having a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily desirable and it is largely not under your control even if you do manage to write and have it accepted. Anyone editor is free to edit it, within Wikipedia guidelines and policies of course. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

First article

Hello, I'm new to Wiki. I just wrote my first article in the sandbox and want to publish to the public. I can't seem to find instructions to do this. Any help appreciated! Dave. Rocking Scoundrels (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Rocknig Scoundrels Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the important information I will post to your user talk page regarding your username. Regarding your draft, I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit it for consideration as formally being part of the encyclopedia(it is "public" in that anyone who knows about it can find it, but it is not yet part of the encyclopedia). However, if you were to submit it now, it would be rejected quickly, because it has no independent reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say about (in this case) a band, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable band, not what the band wants to say about itself or what it considers to be its own history. Wikipedia is only interested in what others say about your band, with significant coverage.

Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and it is even harder with a conflict of interest. If you have independent reliable sources completely unaffiliated with the band that give it significant coverage, you may rewrite your draft to only summarize those sources. If such sources are lacking, it would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

(Pinging Rocking Scoundrels.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Add back links

How do I add back links? I’m new so I don’t know how to add back links. Bbaaeeee (talk) 00:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Bbaaeeee, would you please explain what you mean by back links? You could have replaced the link you removed by going to your Contributions page (found at top of any Wikipedia page if you are logged in), located the edit which removed the link, and clicked the edit's blue "undo" link.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bbaaeeee: Linking to another Wikipedia article is done by surrounding the page name with double square brackets like [[Foo]], which produces the blue link Foo (see WP:CHEATSHEET and MOS:LINK). Is that what you mean? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Subject/headlines

Teahouse visitors: Please use a unique, concise, and descriptive Subject/headline when posting to talk pages like this one. The section above is was the third section on this page named "Question" in the last couple of days, which causes problems. Thanks.

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Mary Wyant artist

Can someone find a bio on Mary Wyant, an artist in Tucson Arizona? I understand she taught at the U of Arizona and later became a full-time artist. She now has Alzheimer's disease and no longer paints. 47.196.140.244 (talk) 15:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Mary Wyant? It looks like there's a PBS documentary about her: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-mother-and-daughter-portrait-of-long-term-care. She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, though, and you'd have to find another reliable source of independent, significant coverage in order for her to have a page. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

How to contact a specific editor?

I am interested in contacting Grey Wanderer from Missouri. I am a non-traditional student at a community college in southwest Missouri. I am considering editing the college's Wikipedia page next semester as part of a class project. DonneyC (talk) 08:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DonneyC Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Every editor has a user talk page, such as mine: User talk:331dot. A user talk page is intended for communication with the named person. Some users also allow others to email them, with an "Email this user" link on the same page to the left; though users are not obligated to respond. 331dot (talk) 08:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DonneyC, just post at User talk:Grey Wanderer. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm an audio-visual learner. Learning from reading is difficult for me. DonneyC (talk) 08:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

To contact Grey Wanderer, I just need to add a new section on their talk page? DonneyC (talk) 08:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DonneyC You can start a new section, or just edit the entire page. 331dot (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

What's the difference...

...between normal rollback and Twinkle rollback? Hello 10:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Hello 10:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lettherebedarklight, nothing. And there's also nothing different between rollback and undo. It's just... undoing. Gerald WL 10:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

...so why do both exist? Just curious. Hello 10:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lettherebedarklight, absolutely no idea. Perhaps if you get rollback privileges, you can undo it quicker. I dunno. Gerald WL 10:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lettherebedarklight, Gerald Waldo Luis. Rollback requires special privilege and is restricted as to when it may be used. It requires one click, doesn't ask for an edit summary, and I think it doesn't notify the person being reverted. —teb728 t c 10:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Undo bring up an edit screen which by default reverts the selected edit and has a canned edit summary, but you can edit anything on the page and change the edit summary. I seldom use Twinkle rollback, but as I recall it asks for a reason and adds the page to your watchlist. —teb728 t c 11:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight: Twinkle rollback has three options: Good faith, Regular, and Vandalism. Reverting as "vandalism" does not prompt for an edit summary, but the other two kinds do. In addition, Twinkle rollback opens the talk page of the user you're reverting, and makes it much easier to warn them, and as teb728 says it also adds the reverted page to your watchlist. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Marketing

How the picture of any products can be replaced when it is wrong? 154.68.126.69 (talk) 09:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

From the title of this section I gather that WP:PAID applies to you. As for image corrections, the best path is probably to ask at WP:FFU to have a new image revision uploaded. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I would also consider discussion image concerns on the relevant article's talk page. The problem with Wikimedia Commons is that there's tons of licencing controls, but virtually no quality control on the accuracy of the image and its labelling. Flagging up concerns over an image's use on a talk page is very helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lowercase sigmabot III stopped archiving my talk page

At the top of my talk page, I have the following archiving configuration:

{{User:MiszaBot/config | algo = old(5d) | archive = User talk:Eyebeller/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s | archiveheader = {{Archive}} | minthreadsleft = 5 }}

This seemed to have stopped working though. I have 6 threads on my talk page, enough for an archive and the oldest thread which I expect to be archived is 12 days old. Why doesn't it work? Eyebeller (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Who are they?

Who are the editor who can review the drafts which are submitted for review. Adishere (talk) 14:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The main people who review drafts submitted for review are people from the Articles for Creation WikiProject.

The requirements to become a reviewer are:

a Wikipedia account at least 90 days old.
a minimum of 500 undeleted edits to articles.
thoroughly read and understood the reviewing instructions.
a demonstrated understanding of the policies mentioned in the reviewing instructions, including the various special notability categories.
reasonable evidence of understanding the deletion policy (experience in areas such as CSD/AfD/PROD or page curation, while not mandatory, are beneficial).
a willingness and ability to respond in a timely manner to questions about their reviews.

Eyebeller (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Adishere. We also have a list of all active reviewers at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. The shortcut to arrive at this same page is WP:AFC/P. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Using a reference more than once

I've noticed that sometimes in articles someone will use a reference more than once, and it will be marked as [1a], but when I tried using a reference more than once it just did [2], how would I fix this? SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 17:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@SnazzyInfinity: try WP:REFNAME. Note that the standard ref extension is yust capable of ^[number] afaik, anything else are templates. The closest one I could come up with is ^{[a 1]}, which is done by giving the reference a group.Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

References

^ content

Ok, thanks SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 18:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@SnazzyInfinity: Multiple uses of the same reference will always be numbered (or lettered) the same in the usage in the article text (e.g.^[1]), with different backlinked letters (^{a b c}) in front of the reference below. Like^[1] this^[1] here.^[1]. Victor Schmidt I think they're all implemented using <ref group="..."> – the templates are just wrappers to help out. Template:Efn#Template use by reference group type has a table of the predefined types and wrapper templates. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Ref text ...

Thanks User:AlanM1 this is exactly what I was looking for. SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 14:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

[1] Very Old Author (c. 895). Ye Ancient Book. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)

[2] tent

[Ref1-3] Ref text ...

[1]

[a 1]

[1]