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Mangalorean Catholics

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This article currently holds GA status. I hope to eventually nominate it as a candidate for FA status. However, before i do that, a peer review would be very helpful. As such, I would greatly appreciate it if someone would take the time to ascertain whether the article satisfies FA criteria, and if not, then what can be done to change that. Thanks! Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 09:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Comments from Cryptic C62

• Beware of phrases that are overly wordy or aim to tell a story rather than present information. "The most disconsolate memory in the community's history..." is one example of this.

Reworded the sentence to "Their 15-year captivity at Seringapatam imposed by Tipu Sultan, the de facto ruler of the Kingdom of Mysore, from February 24, 1784, to May 4, 1799, led to the near extinction of the community."

• "Although early assertions of being Mangalorean Catholics date from the migration period" The meaning of this phrase is not clear.

Reworded that part to "Although early assertions of a distinct Mangalorean Catholic identity date from the migration period...". I hope this is more clear.

• "At present, it comprises the whole civil districts of..." Two problems here. First, avoid the use of "at present", "currently", and "recently." See WP:As of#Precise language for more information. Second, avoid redundant words. "whole" can be removed from the sentence in question without any meaning being lost.

Reworded the sentence to "It comprises the civil districts of...".

• "In 1526, after Portuguese shipping arrived in Mangalore, while the number of local converts slowly increased, an immigration of Christians from Goa to South Canara started on a large scale, in the second half of the 16th century." It's not clear why there are two time frames specified in this sentence. Did this happen in 1526 or the second half of the 16th century? It may be helpful to split this into two sentences.

Split para into two sentences. "In 1526, Portuguese shipping arrived in Mangalore, and the number of local converts slowly increased. However, a sizeable Christian population did not exist until the second half of the 16th century, when there began a large-scale immigration of Christians from Goa to South Canara."

• Regarding image captions: The common convention is that captions which do not form a complete sentence ("A modern Mangalorean Catholic family from Mangalore") should not end with punctuation, whereas captions that do form a complete sentence ("The Catholic saint Francis Xavier requested John III of Portugal to install an Inquisition in Goa, which became the cause of the first great wave of migrations towards South Canara") should end with punctuation.

Done!

• "According to the 2001 census, the Mangalore Diocese estimates the population of Mangalorean Catholics..." More redundant phrasing. This can be shortened to "In 2001, the Mangalore Diocese estimated the population of Mangalorean Catholics..."

Done!

• Why are architecture and cuisine grouped into one Culture subsection? These topics have nothing to do with each other.

I have divided it into separate sections.

• "As of 1991—92, out of 12 tile manufacturing factories in Mangalore, 6 were owned by Christians. These tiles, prepared from hard clay" It isn't clear what "these tiles" refers to, as the first sentence is about factories, not tiles.

Reworded sentence to clarify the type of tiles being manufactured. "As of 1991—92, out of 12 Mangalore tile manufacturing factories in Mangalore, 6 were owned by Christians."

• The dashes and hyphens need to be checked throughout the article. See WP:DASH for more information.
  • "An English-Konkani Dictionary" the hyphen should be replaced with the en dash: "An English–Konkani Dictionary"
  • "Sanna – idli fluffed with toddy or yeast" the en dash should be replaced with the unspaced em dash: "Sanna—idli fluffed with toddy or yeast"
  • "During the mid–16th century," the en dash should be replaced with a hyphen: "During the mid-16th century,"

Done!

• Generally speaking, sections other than History should focus on the current state of affairs rather than what has existed in the past. For example, the Geographical distribution section mentions statistics from the 1960s and 1871 without giving any indication of why such information would be relevant to today's geographical distribution.

Removed these historical statistics!

• "The Mangalorean genealogist Michael Lobo" In most cases, it is unnecessary to include an article ("the", "a", "an") when introducing experts like this. Instead, just say "Mangalorean genealogist Michael Lobo".

Fixed!

• "Of the remaining half, about 15% reside in other parts of Karnataka (mainly Bangalore), another 15% in Bombay and its surrounding areas, another 10% in the Gulf countries, another 5% in other parts of India, and the remaining 5% in other parts of the world" This phrasing is almost identical to that used by the source. This constitutes plagiarism, which must be avoided at all costs. Always make an effort to either construct a new phrasing or place the original one within quotation marks.

Re-worded para to: "As for the remaining half, about 15% reside in other parts of Karnataka (mostly Bangalore), 15% reside in Mumbai and its neighboring areas, 10% reside in the Gulf countries, 5% reside in other parts of India, and the remaining 5% reside in other parts of the world." Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 15:50, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

After checking for details like this, I think the article would have a very good shot at passing FAC, as it is impeccably researched. Good work thus far! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful comments! I appreciate you taking the time to conduct the review. Please go through the article again and let me know if you find something amiss again. Regards, Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 17:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

My comments weren't intended to be a comprehensive check of the entire article, but instead a spot check to look for common mistakes. Be sure to go through the entire article yourself to check for other instances of these issues, particularly the use of "recent"/"currently", the proper use of dashes, and avoiding plagiarism. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:41, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Redtigerxyz's comments

• My first impression: there are too many images leading to the text sandwiching in many parts. Remove many images in History retaining 1-3 imgs in each section and positioning them to avoid text sandwiching. Remove 1 img in Language and literature, 1 img in Traditions and festivals, 1 of the 2 Monti fest imgs, sari img in Costumes and ornaments. Position images such as Images look inside the article correctly done in the adil shah img, but incorrect in sambhaji, tipu imgs. Assert that the Francis img is a depiction of Conversion of Paravas img. On first sight, you get the impression that Francis is blessing John III. See MOS:IMAGES

Removed images to prevent overcrowding. Re-aligned some of the images Fixed the Francis Xavier image.

• "Their 15-year captivity at Seringapatam imposed by Tipu Sultan, the de facto ruler of the Kingdom of Mysore, from 24 February 1784 to 4 May 1799" Was the rulership or captivity from 1784 to 1779???

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 07:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, it is obvious that the dates give the duration of the captivity.

Thanks for the helpful comments. Please let me know if you find anything objectionable regarding my placement and alignment of the images. Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 11:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

As shown by Checklinks, two of the links appear to be uncategorized redirects. See here. However, i can access them and am unable to see what the problem is. Would someone help me out regarding this? Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 04:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, the "indeterminate" section of Checklinks is just there to give the user an idea of what links may be problematic. If you don't experience any issues when using the links in question, then there's probably nothing to worry about. Even if I've misinterpreted the Checklinks data and there actually is a problem, surely some kind person at FAC will be able to fix it. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that! Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 16:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC)