Wikipedia:Peer review/Manchester United F.C. seasons/archive1

Manchester United F.C. seasons edit

It is my aim to get this article to Featured List standard, and I would like some constructive comments about the content of the page and the amount of referencing on it. Anything about columns I should add to or remove from the table, or how I could expand the Lead section would be much appreciated. - PeeJay 00:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"the amount of referencing on it"... While there are footnotes in the article, there are no cited sources. Where did the information come from? How can we verify it?
One way of expanding the lead is to explain why the table does not include years before the Football Alliance (as in Manchester City F.C. seasons). This type of list might never meet the featured list criteria in the current format, see the failed Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Manchester City F.C. seasons for an explanation.
A casual observer may well be unaware that Newton Heath became Manchester United - this should be explained. Oldelpaso 19:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have now improved on all of those things. Do you think it matters that I copied the bulk of the prose in the lead paragraph from the Manchester City F.C. seasons article? What other advice could you give me about this article? - PeeJay 00:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the most part, it doesn't matter as it applies equally to both clubs., but do you know for sure that no complete records prior to 1886 survive? Individual Charity Shield matches probably aren't significant enough to have their own article, so they should be delinked. Oldelpaso 08:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will get in touch with the club's official statisticians to ask about records from before 1886, but I have many books that include Man Utd results, and none of them give any information before that date. As for the Charity Shield matches, I will delink the ones that currently have no article, but I will leave the ones with articles linked. - PeeJay 08:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I flagged the "records don't survive" statement with a citation needed template. It's a reasonable and logical conclusion, but nevertheless there should be a definitive source to actually claim "they don't exist". An alternative solution would be to elabourate on the fact that these records are not currently used by credible football statisticians, providing examples. Otherwise the only minor issue I could find was the colouring for a couple of European seasons. Not so much a disagreement on my part, but it's a MoS question that would probably be raised if you did nominate this for featured list. BeL1EveR 16:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I deleted the statement about the records not surviving. The guys at StretfordEnd.co.uk linked me to a great book with all of Newton Heath's results from 1878 to 1902 in it, so I'll be getting a hold of that ASAP. As for the colouring issue, I presume you mean the colouring of seasons where the club played in more than one European competition, i.e. 1968-69, 1991-92 and 1999-2000. Those cells were coloured based on the best result from any one of the competitions in that cell, if you see what I mean. - PeeJay 16:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I have now acquired a reference book containing a list of results and tables for the period 1878-1902 (the Newton Heath era), and I have added the 1888-89 season to the table to record the club's season in The Combination. I think this Peer Review has served its purpose now, and should be closed. - PeeJay 23:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]