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Lower limbs venous ultrasonography

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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to improve it for potential good article nomination. I'm afraid to develop it much more because it can be hard to understand for non experts readers. So I would like your advice and your suggestions about what section to expand. I'm Potuguese so my text needs to be verified. Thank you for your help and collaboration Thanks, Doc Elisa ^✉ 22:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment The topic seems highly specialized, with substantial content overlap. The article contains a great deal of anatomical information about specific veins, many of which already exist as separate articles. In terms of the procedure we already have duplex ultrasonography, venous thrombosis, and deep vein thrombosis, which could/should include much of the technical content. Do we also need an article on venous ultrasonography of the upper limbs, and how much overlap will there be? My guess is that we do, but for now we could anticipate a parent article on venous ultrasonography of the limbs, with more specialized articles dealing with the specifics of upper versus lower. To that end, it would be wise to construct this article with that in mind. Sorry if this is rambling a bit - just getting my bearing and look forward to other comments to see if my opinion is an outlier. -- Scray (talk) 10:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• Hi Scray, thank you for your comment. I'll try to answer all these poins and why this article is important:

1- Echographic anatomy is different from the anatomy we describe in anatomy category.

2- This article concerns triplex ultrasonography (B mode+doppler+color) not Duplex ultrasonography (usually is B mode+doppler)and it needs hemodynamic knowledge to be properly performed.

3- When aplied to veins (with venous insufficiency) this examination is completely different from the one done to check arteries or even to check veins with a thrombosis suspicion.

4- Upper limbs don't need a special article because there is no special vein pathology with a strong prevalence as we find in varicose veins.

5- Many countries are missing nowadays specialized centers to learn how to do this examination on insufficient veins and this article is an alert to this problem. It doesn't say how to do the examination but it explains some critical points which are often missed. Doc Elisa ^✉ 14:52, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments from Lesion

• Suggest this page uses recommended headings from WP:MEDMOS#Medical tests, i.e.

Current article:

• Ultrasonography (basic principles)
• Diagnostic applications
• Equipment
• Procedure
• Superficial veins
• Perforator veins
• Examination report
• History

Recommended headings from MOS:

• Types, if more than one kind or variant of the test or procedure exists
• Indications, including contraindications
• Mechanism, how the test or procedure works
• Preparation
• Procedure
• Interpretation of results, including accuracy and specificity of test results
• Adverse effects
• Legal issues, such as whether special counseling is mandated, if any
• History of the test

Not all headings are needed for all articles. e.g. we might not need adverse effects for an article about ultrasound. I think it will be fairly easy to use the recommended headings for all this content... Lesion (talk) 01:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you Lesion I'll reverify. Doc Elisa ^✉ 01:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Suggest move "Ultrasonography (basic principles)" to "mechanism" ; "Diagnostic applications" to "indications" ; All these sections: "Equipment", "Procedure", "Deep venous thrombosis", "Venous insufficiency", "Technical pitfalls", "Superficial veins", "Great saphenous vein", "Anterior acessory saphenous vein", "Small saphenous vein", "Giacomini vein", "Perforator veins", can be moved to be subheadings of one main " procedure" section. Then we just have "examination report" move to "interpretation" and history is already titled correctly. You may want to populate the other sections, but then again they might not be relevant for this article and therefore can be left out. Hope this helps. Lesion (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Lesion. Now is much better and I can see easily how I can improve it. Doc Elisa ^✉ 17:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• Consider using the template:Diagnostic infobox to bring this article further into line with other medical investigation articles. I couldn't find lower limbs ultrasonography in some of the classifications, perhaps because this is specialized. Even if you don't manage to fill any of the codes, would still be good to use the info box and move a picture into it... Any questions, feel free to ask. Lesion (talk) 20:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Done

Biosthmors says...

• I recommend removing "(SVS and DVS respectively)" from the first sentence because those abbreviations aren't used in the WP:Lead anyways. Feel free to use later though. Biosthmors (talk) 23:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Biosthmors for your help. Is done. Doc Elisa ^✉ 00:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)