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List of Philadelphia Flyers players

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I've listed this article for peer review because I am looking to take it forward to Featured list status, but would like some input on what more this article may need before meeting the requirements there. I have got a couple of cricket lists to FL, but this would be my first hockey article.

Thanks, Harrias (talk) 11:54, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

General comments

I like the fact that this list is robust- it only needs to be updated once a year. I'm not familiar with the sources but the list is comprehensive and the lead covers the important points. Also, I'm very impressed with what you've managed to do with the sort function.

Thanks, there are still some issues with the dashes that will need sorting (literally) out, but other than that I'm pretty happy with them. Hopefully sort playing in my sandbox will help there.

Pre-FLC comments/suggestions

• The images need Alt text.

• Done: added alt text for all the images. But I'm rubbish at it, so feel free to alter any that I've messed up! Harrias (talk) 10:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

• The lead covers the things I would expect from a sports player list, but specific claims need inline citations. I'd suggest citing the fact that there have been 17 captains, the fact that Bobby Clarke is the all-time leading scorer, a citation for seven hall of famers, and one for the retired jerseys.

• I've added references for everything I think needs it in the lead, let me know if I've missed anything else you think needs one? Harrias (talk) 11:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

• Ideally the individual footnotes should be cited with the player's bio. This can be achieved either with a reference alongside the note:

[note 1][5]

Or by citing inline:

{{#tag:ref|Mike Knuble was born in Canada, but grew up in Michigan and has played for the U.S. internationally.<ref>citation goes here</ref>|group=note}}

• Done referenced as suggested. Harrias (talk) 12:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe it's worth communicating records in the table? For instance, giving Clarke's points total a different symbol and color for that cell, and doing the same for other records such as most assists, most games played etc.

• Not sure I agree with you here to be honest, I think that's kind of the point of a sortable list, that by sorting it you find that information out. Have you seen any other lists that do this? Harrias (talk) 11:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

• I guess you're right. WFCforLife (talk) 05:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to return to this tonight, but hopefully those will help for the time being. Regards, WFCforLife (talk) 18:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for you comments so far; I have read and appreciate them, but unfortunately I don't have the most amount of time to make any changes at the moment. But I am grateful, and will hopefully be able to dedicate some time to this later in the week. Regards, Harrias (talk) 12:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. Let me know when you'd like me to take a second look. Regards, WFCforLife (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Second look

Sorry it's a little later than advertised.

• Is there a real benefit to the notes columns being sortable? I am a fan of doing it in certain circumstances (for instance, I've got a sortable notes table for List of Watford F.C. players so that the player-managers and players of the season can be compared to one another). But as the Stanley Cups were in consecutive years, won't the same result be achieved sorting by year?

• No, probably not, I agree. Will remove it later with some other work. Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• The ♠ symbol has only been added for goalkeepers, not skaters.

• I need to work on the sortability with regards to debutants and dashes in the skaters table, and will add it with those changes which I'll work on in my sandbox. Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• s needed at the end of "Flyer" in reference 2.

• Done Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• What makes www.flyershistory.net a reliable source?

• Pass, it certainly doesn't look like one! It was on there before I got to the article. As I said, I'm relatively new to hockey articles. I could remove it, as all info sourced from there is also sourced from hockeydb, with the exception of Flyers HoF details, which I think I can get from the Alumni Association site. I'd prefer to leave it as a supporting source, but it is up to you. Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• The alt text is very good, and there are no DABs or external link problems.

• Thank you :) Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• The last paragraph could do with a bit of sourcing, for the total number of players and if possible a source covering the statistics on the number of Stanley Cup winners. A source for the Stanley Cup rosters would suffice, you wouldn't need to find one that explicitly gives the number of players used.

• Got one, although again I'm not 100% sure on whether it would be considered a RS. But it is the best of the sites that I found listing it. The UK isn't great for written literature on the subject either! Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• There's a slight inconsistency over the total number of players. hockeydb.com states that there are 510 players, although presumably that's as of the end of 2008–09. The list states that there have been 518 players, but 44 goaltenders + 475 skaters adds up to 519.

• Fixed, the totals must have got muddled at some point, I went through and they should now be correct. Harrias (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Once those are resolved I think I'll have taken this list as far as I can, and I would be happy to support at FLC. WFCforLife (talk) 05:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)