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I've listed this article for peer review because I've just finished adding all sources, so only prose is missing now an overhaul now. :) Sandman888 (talk) 09:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some notes about the sourcing part...

1st lead paragraph is un-sourced. Since it's the introduction, insert in inline citations that'll verify the statements made.
- Do you mean "FC Barcelona is a football club based in Barcelona, Spain."? That seems a bit excessive. Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, "...has since established itself as the most successful club in Spanish football along with Real Madrid." is an extraordinary claim and as such it needs a ref Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the 4th paragraph, the sentences "When Barcelona won the Club World Cup in December 2009, having failed to do so on two previous occasions, it was their first international trophy. For the rest of the 2009-10 season, Barcelona wore the Club World Cup trophy insignia on their shirts." need a reference.
- Agreed. I've been unable to find a reference for it, hoped someone could help me. Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The "Regional titles", "National titles", "European titles", and "International title" section is completely without source(s).
- ~~I've put them under generel references. Would you rather have three refs to the same?~~ Reffed! Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bejinhan Talk 14:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a page with a simple explanation about verifiability and reliability. Bejinhan Talk 14:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please add alt text to the images. Please see WP:ALT for help. The list of images without alt text is located here. Bejinhan Talk 14:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Is alt criteria stable yet? Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On a sidenote, have you thought of having the article name as List of FC Barcelona honours? Bejinhan Talk 14:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Cd be. Might be a better title, do you find it better? Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think it would be a better title. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Moved it is. Sandman888 (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It might also help to format the lists into a proper table, like the one shown here. Bejinhan Talk 14:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- This is the way honours are listed according to WP:FOOTY. Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for review and comments, appreciated! Sandman888 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments

A model list is helpful for ideas and examples to follow. List of Aston Villa F.C. records and statistics is a FL and does not use bold text as this does. See WP:MOSBOLD too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also think the first 8 records need refs - I did not see these listed as records on the General refs page. Hope my comments help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Which 8 records? I'm a bit confused here.~~ Perhaps you mean record # of titles. All honours have refs now Sandman888 (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Search for (record) - the first 8 appearances had no refs when I made this comment yesterday. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When I made my other comments here, I thought it was odd that there were no football FLs on "Team X honours" or "List of Team X honours". I just looked at all of the football FLs at Wikipedia:FOOTY#Featured_content and found that there are 5 that are "List of Team X records and statistics" and 3 "Team X records and statistics", but no "(List of) Team X honours" FLs. I also just looked at List of FC Barcelona records and statistics for its peer review and was surprised to see much of the content from this article repeated there (or vice versa). My concern now is that this article does not meet the Wikipedia:Featured list criteria, in particular 3b Comprehensiveness. In length and/or topic, it meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists; it is not a content fork, does not largely recreate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article. I could be wrong as I am not very knowledgable on football, but how is this not a content fork of List of FC Barcelona records and statistics? Why couldn't this material all be included there (as much of it already is)? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This goes into far greater detail. Such detail wd put too much emphasis on the honours part to reasonable be a part of the records&stats page w/o removing info. Also, FCB has played in loads of friendly tournaments, which makes the list far too long, but of which I cannot find references, but this way it is easy to amend information if other finds it. Sandman888 (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just looked at all 8 Football records and statistics FLs. List of Luton Town F.C. statistics and records is the most recent FL I think (2009), so may be the bets model in terms of MOS and other issues. The others were promoted to FL in 2008.
- Had a look, cheers! Sandman888 (talk) 09:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Only List of Manchester United F.C. records and statistics uses bold face in any way approaching this article, and I do not think it meets WP:MOSBOLD either. This article is included under the no List of name in the FL table, so my stats are off above.
- Removed instances of bold except in scores. I don't think italics is visible enough. Sandman888 (talk) 09:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am also concerned that there is only one General ref and that is from the team itself. As successful as FC Barcelona are, there must be many books on them that could be used as general refs here. OK, I am done, hope this helps, will comment in the next 24 hours on the other Barcelone list PR, which has some of the same issues as this. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~I can easily find other references, will do that as FCB is not trustworthy. I just thought it easier to use one site. Thanks for all comments, appreciated!~~ Added references for all honours Sandman888 (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]