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Adventures in Modern Recording

I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to get it to FAC. Given that this year will be MTV's 40th anniversary in August, I'd like to celebrate the instance of the Buggles' "Video Killed the Radio Star" being MTV's first video by promoting another far-lesser-known Buggles work to FA, Adventures in Modern Recording.

It already has been promoted to GA, and while GA generally doesn't have as strict standards as the FAC, the GA reviewer got really extensive in making sure the article was linked well, used British English and cited sources properly. I've done more edits to this article when it comes to removing sources that may be questioned at FAC plus making sure citation formats meet guidelines, as well as more copyediting.

I know this article looks short, but trust me when I say that this article in its current state is comprehensive, and all that is available in sources. I had to dig deep in a ZTT fansite, Internet archive, Google Books, and newspapers.com to find coverage on this album, and that was all I could find. It's not a well-remembered or commercially-successful album, so finding any coverage at all was surprising.

Thanks 👨x🐱 (talk) 15:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Image comments from Vaticidalprophet

Hey, HxA, happy to take a look at this. I haven't in-depth picked at the prose yet, or decided whether or not I want to versus just doing an image review. On the quick level, it looks good.

However, there's a big issue here that I'm surprised went unmentioned at GA. The image formatting is really something you need to take a look at; it renders the article text far too choppy and is in violation of MOS:IMAGE. "Background" is sandwiched between the image and the infobox, with the former in turn throwing "Concept and sound"'s header out of alignment. The image under "Concept and sound" in turn misaligns the header for "Release and promotion". The article's length isn't problematic by itself, but the number of images involved for that length cause issues for the underlying structure. Perhaps you could use a gallery? Vaticidalprophet 12:18, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

• I've just decided to remove some images that aren't needed. I've also removed the infobox as I feel it gives undue weight to three random reviews, which are the only rated ones. I didn't know MOS:IMAGE stated you couldn't sandwich between an infobox and image, I thought it was only that you couldn't sandwich text between two images. So many policies and MOS pages to remember, am I right? XD 👨x🐱 (talk) 13:13, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
• Good luck with the review! 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Image placement and the article's layout looks excellent now. Licensing-wise, both images are fair use. File:AdventuresInModernRecording.jpg is obviously fine, and I'm inclined to accept the rationale given for File:Bugglespromophoto.jpg. That said, some people are stricter on the latter than myself. Vaticidalprophet 10:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

• I know the non-free fair use policy is pretty strict around this here town, so I'll keep an eye out for that. 👨x🐱 (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Image captions and alt text:

1. File:AdventuresInModernRecording.jpg is uncaptioned. It could do with a simple caption to make it clear it's the cover art. Alt text is present and useful.
2. File:Bugglespromophoto.jpg has a caption with a description ("Auton-esque dummies") that I'm unsure is useful to the reader -- most dummies look kind of like that, you know? "Surrounded by similarly-dressed dummies" seems to work fine. Alt text is present and useful.

Vaticidalprophet 11:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

• • The liner notes feature about the album described it as like the Auton and Kraftwerk robots, which Kraftwerk was one of Horn's influences in founding the Buggles. I've removed this from the image caption. 👨x🐱 (talk) 14:57, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Z1720

Hi HumanxAnthro Thanks for your patience in getting comments in this PR. I will review this article as if it was an FAC. I do not know much about this topic, so please consider this a non-expert review.

• "join Asia on the day recording" -> "join the English rock band Asia" so that the reader doesn't think you are talking about the continent.
• "The album did well in other territories, however, such as in North America and mainland Europe," remove however
• " praised how its sound stacked up to music released in later years." stacked up is jargon. Replace it with more encyclopedic language
• " began life as a Buggles demo" -> "stared as a Buggles demo"
• The first paragraph of the concept and sound section uses lots of quotes. Is there a way to paraphrase the information instead?

Those were general concerns with the prose. Is there more information about the creative inspiration of the album? I felt that was lacking. Overall, it's a good article but I would suggest getting a review from a music-expert that can describe what might be missing. I hope this helps. Z1720 (talk) 00:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for the review. Unfortunately, this is not a very well-known album, so thus available sources didn't give me the best stuff to work with, and the best I got out of the available sources was that Horn wanted it to be a more "left-field" album and that the sound was influenced by his experiences producing with Dollar. Thank you for also catching the non-encyclopedic language as well. 👨x🐱 (talk) 01:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

HumanxAnthro it's been a month since the last comment in this PR. Typically, PRs that have been open for a month are closed. Would you still like to keep this open? Z1720 (talk) 20:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

• That's because it's been a month since anyone's responded to this PR. I'd like this kept open, please 👨x🐱 (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
  • It's fine keeping it open, I just wanted to make sure this was not abandoned or forgotten about. A great way to get more feedback is to comment on other PRs. Z1720 (talk) 16:55, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
    • @HumanxAnthro still no responses. There's no harm in closing the review and attempting something later when you have time, but there is harm in keeping open inactive reviews cause it makes it hard for reviewers to find genuinely active ones to contribute to. Please let me know if you 8want to close or continue this review. Tom (LT) (talk) 07:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Just close it, please. This is going nowhere. Normally these things never get attention. 👨x🐱 (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)