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November 20

Family of Catherine, Princess of Wales

Ref 156 - please leave in the quotes - these are all from various newspapers. - please get rid of the red lines at the end of the citation which say "line feed character in |quote= at position 359". Confusing. Thanks and sorry. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 10:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Eagleash (talk) 12:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Would Northampton be a good thing to put in Northam? 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 11:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Are the two names often confused? If so, put it in the #See also. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

not really but we use Northam(p) as shorthand for Northampton quite a lot here (the U.K. one) 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Do we? [1] Bazza (talk) 14:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Most people I know do 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

….no yeah that’s probably a thing i and people I know do so never mind 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps that's a thing local to where you live. I've come across Northants for Northamptonshire, and know of Northiam (which might warrant including in Northam), but never Northam(p). The Google results I gave suggest it's uncommon, and it's not mentioned in Northampton. If you've got reliable sources stating that it is a well-known alternative name, then by all means add it. Bazza (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Probably just my email shorthand creeping into real life, so nevermind 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 17:15, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think they are confused. [2] Bazza (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Help about the reference of Tipper Gore at the Closing Ceremony

Help, help, I need you help me fix the reference about Second Lady Tipper Gore that she attending the Closing Ceremony of the XVIII Olympic Winter Games Nagano 1998.`100.2.114.167 (talk) 21:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP user. What help do you need? The reference link works but is missing some of the parameters you can find at {{cite news}}. My main concern would be that it is a story written on Feb 10, 1998, talking about intentions, and thus does not confirm she did indeed attend the ceremony on Feb 22. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

creating new page in sandbox and not offered to save it rather to publish it

Hello. I drafted a new page in sandbox under my user name of jmvuocolo (for Mary Griffin). I would like to save it and show her the draft. I don't want to publish it yet. But I am only offered the publish is button. Can you advise?

Jmvuocolo (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jmvuocolo. The "save" button was renamed "Publish" a year or two back, to emphasise that absolutely everything in Wikipedia, including sandboxes, is publicly visible. Having said that, sandboxes and other things that are not articles do not get indexed by search engines, so will be found only by people who go looking for them.

So you can save your work in your sandbox by "Publish changes", but it will not become part of the encyclopaedia until you submit it for review: see WP:AFC. ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jmvuocolo Your sandbox is at User:Jmvuocolo/sandbox and although it is not indexed by search engines its URL can be forwarded to anyone by email, for example. Note that if this is intended as a draft article then it does not meet a number of Wikipedia policies mentioned at WP:BLP, especially that all factual statements about living people must have inline citations. You should also read WP:COI. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear Mike, Thank you for reponding about "saving". I guess I was referencing an outdated "how-to" on the net. I have completed the draft of Mary Griffin article. I will reread the links that you sent. Mary Griffin is an artist that I help on a volunteer basis. We'd like to create this wiki page for her. Is it ready for Wiki review? Happy holiday. Jmvuocolo (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

In its current form, it is nowhere near ready. You need to convert every single one of those external links to a proper Wikipedia reference link. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

There are a few other issues that I'm surprised nobody else has raised (it usually happens pretty quickly). I'll outline them and, at least for the first three, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I am will expand on them.

• It's clear that you're closely connected with this artist--which makes you far from an ideal person to be trying to create an article about her.
• "We'd like ..." suggests a group effort within a single account, which is considered a no-no at best, and in this case would make one wonder if the subject of the article is having a hand in creating it.
• If you do manage to create something acceptable, it will not be a "page for" this artist. It will be an article about the artist. You/she will have zero control over it; anybody will be able to edit it. And then even if you/she don't/doesn't like the edits, if they're properly sourced and don't violate copyright (and don't run afoul of a couple of other rules), there will really be nothing you/she can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Becoming a pages reviewer

Hello, I am considering requesting to become a new pages reviewer as I want to patrol new pages and csd any that are non notable or spam. Is this the correct venue? If so, can anyone give me some information about what to do and how exactly to patrol before I make the request, as I sometimes worry that I might lack competance and don’t want to dive into the deep end of Wikipedia and mess something up. Thanks, Blanchey (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blanchey, I think Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers may be the place to start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blanchey Note that one of the requirements is that you have 500 undeleted edits to mainspace, so you have some way to go before they'll consider letting you join their school. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:40, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blanchey read the tutorial at WP:NPP and its associated Page Curation tutorial and video. If you can absorb and understand all that, you're on the right track, but beware - it's a very steep learning curve. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone. Blanchey (talk) 12:09, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Adding a work to reference 12

I am the author of this article and would like a further author and his article to ref. 12. I cannot find ref. 12 in all the corrected versions from the earlier editions. It always ends at 11. Htewarso (talk) 22:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I assume that "this article" refers to the draft of an article that you've put on your user page (which is not a good place for a draft). The first version had no references, all subsequent versions had 11. There has never been a "ref. 12". Maproom (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)