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Walter Lawrence Trophy edit

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 11:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a cute one, I found it, twerked it, sorted out the various MOS issues, made it look pretty and checked refs etc. Of course, any and all comments welcome, with my thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - "The trophy was re-instated in 1966 by Brian Thornton" - Who is Brian Thornton? Compare with the previous paragraph, which explains who Sir Walter Lawrence is. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Good question, all the reliable sources I have found relating to the WLT state he inherited the trophy upon the death of his father-in-law, Guy Lawrence who himself hadn't bothered keeping the trophy going upon the death of Walter Lawrence. There are mentions of "Brian Thornton" with relation to the Lords planning committee, but I can't find anything to definitively link the two. Any ideas? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, not sure. I think you've covered it now with the re-write, so should be OK. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:16, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a good look at this, and can't see anything of concern now. So that's a support from me. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias
;Comments from Harrias talk
  • I'm confused about the phrase "Those which are adjudged to have been made against "authentic bowling" are not eligible for the award..." You have piped "authentic bowling" to declaration bowling, but the two don't seem synonymous? To me, authentic bowling would be normal bowlers, not declaration bowling?
    Yes, faulty logic and obfuscated target. Fixed, I think. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the list isn't sortable, I thought wikilinks should only be used on the first instance? But I really don't care if you think it is better this way, after all, someone might just look up 2008 and still want to link to Essex, even though they first appeared in 1935.
    Indeed, as a navigation aid, I don't think it's harmful here. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it worth mentioning the Walter Lawrence Women’s Award, Walter Lawrence MCC Universities Award and Walter Lawrence Schools Award? If not, it might be worth gathering these in a second list article at least.
    Noted now. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #1 and ref #3 are the same.
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #4 has "EPSN" rather than "ESPN".
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #10 has "Goeff" rather than "Geoff".
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs #16 and #18 need endashes rather than hyphens.
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #19 should have the book title in italics.
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A nice list on an award that I've always enjoyed: though I must admit that I didn't realise it included limited overs stuff now, that's a shame. Harrias talk 08:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Harrias, I hopefully have addressed your concerns above. Let me know if there's anything outstanding. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Harrias thanks, will do. As long as you return to the Trans-Tasman Trophy FLC! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Ianblair23 (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
:Hi TRM, please find my comments below:
  • Infobox:
  • Body:
  • Link all years to relevant year English cricket season article as you have in table
  • Add that Botham et al have won most the award the most times
  • Add that Kohler-Cadmore is the most recent winner
  • Add that cricketers representing Kent have won the awards the most time (8), followed by Somerset with 6
  • Add alt text for the six images
  • Table:
  • References:
  • External links:
Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:12, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ianblair23 thanks Ian, I think I've addressed all the suggestions. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi TRM, thanks for making those changes. One more thing, could you please add the prizemoney amount to the body. Also has it dropped from £5,000 to £3,000 recently?This suggests that in 2002 it was £5,000. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 22:52, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ianblair23 added the prize money as of the most recent available reliable source. Of course it wouldn't have been £3,000 in 1934, so the value will have varied throughout the history of the trophy, I'll just stick with the current award. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great job TRM on this list! I must admit that I was ignorant of this award before you brought it here to FLC. Thanks for the interesting read. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 22:24, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from JennyOz edit

Interesting trophy - and good to see some Aussies included.

  • "The award was made every season up to and including 1939, but in that year Lawrence died, and for some years after the Second World War the trophy was not awarded. The trophy was re-instated in 1966 by Brian Thornton, who had inherited the trophy from his father-in-law and Walter's son, Guy Lawrence." - with the coincidence of Lawrence dying, the cricketless war years and the son's disinterest, the 'but' and the 'some' are not clear.
How about something maybe more like...
The award was made every season up to and including 1939 when Lawrence died. When first class cricket resumed in 1945 after the Second World War, Lawrence's son Guy left the presentation of the Trophy in abeyance. It was finally re-instated by Guy's son-in-law, Brian Thornton for the 1966 season.
(This also keeps the three blokes chronologically mentioned.)
  • crease - wlink?
  • "Four batsmen have won the main award on more than one occasion, twice each: Ian..." - why not just "have won the trophy twice: Ian..."?
  • Just in case someone thinks it might have been done three times. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
20 - charles
24 - link BBC Sport

Thanks TRM JennyOz (talk) 18:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz Hi Jenny, thanks for you review comments! I've acted on them and responded inline above. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Some tweaks didn't save? I've done the ref 20 (now 21) typo - but not the mention of trophy presentations which was only a minor suggestion. Very happy to now support and thanks for buffing this trophy article to a shining feature! JennyOz (talk) 09:36, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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