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Wales national football team results 1946–1959 edit

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Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The next in line for the series of Wales results lists is for the period immediately after World War II. Again, thanks to HawkAussie for helping out with the table conversion which is one of the more tedious jobs. The list follows the same structure as the previous promotions, incorporating all of the formatting features that they have picked up in previous reviews. I look forward to any comments. Kosack (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • On my screen at least, the placing of the John Charles image makes things line up weirdly - it extends below the start of the TOC and pushes that into the centre of the page, which looks odd. I think placing the image to the right of the main table would work better
    Editing on mobile tends to cause an issue with image placement at times. I've moved the image further down as suggested and it appears OK for me, let me know if it still displays oddly for you. Kosack (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "began playing teams from further afield for the first time after World War II" - does this mean they had not played overseas teams before WW2? If not, it reads oddly to suggest that they played such teams "for the first time after WW2" in the very first time period after the war
    Wales played two matches against France in the 1930s, but the post-war period was the first time that they really started branching out in terms of opposition so to speak. Kosack (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Gotcha, but it's not quite 100% accurate to say they "began playing teams from further afield for the first time after World War II" given that they had played France before the war - maybe add in "on a regular basis" or similar? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Added. Kosack (talk) 12:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the first footnote could do with some rewording/expanding in order to make the situation clearer. Can I suggest this: "The team referred to as Ireland which competed in the Home Championship represented the Belfast-based Irish Football Association (IFA). Following the partition of Ireland, both that body and the Dublin-based Football Association of Ireland (FAI) contended that their respective national teams represented the entirety of Ireland. FIFA ruled in [whatever year it was] that neither team could be referred to simply as "Ireland". Therefore, the IFA side became known as Northern Ireland."
    Done. Kosack (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Think that's it from me......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude: Thanks Chris, I've added comments to two of the notes above, let me know what you think. Kosack (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review edit

  • Leaning pass – reliabillity and formatting is good
  • The only thing I wonder if page number(s) could be given for the Oliver, Guy (1992). The Guinness Record of World Soccer ref? Aza24 (talk) 05:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't possess the Oliver book unfortunately, this was the existing ref that was contained on the page before I started working on them. Kosack (talk) 08:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So is the information sourced without it then? If so, I would remove it. Otherwise it's unverifiable without a page number(s). Aza24 (talk) 04:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I added my own sources to ensure I had access to the information. I've removed the book now. Kosack (talk) 08:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update on the Guinness source, I've actually found a copy available at the Internet Archive so I've reinstated it with page numbers. Kosack (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some thoughts

  • Alt text is missing
    Added. Kosack (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • winning 5 of 13 ties between the two 5 of the 13 fixtures?
    Changed. Kosack (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • and their precursors Ireland is confusing wording to me
    I'm not sure how this could be worded better really. It's a confusing situation which is why the note is added immediately after to explain in more depth. Kosack (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation seems dicey to me
    The RSSSF is widely accepted as a very reliable source and has gone through countless FACs and FLCs. Kosack (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • General sources haven't been used for about a decade now

--Guerillero Parlez Moi 04:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Guerillero: Thanks for taking a look, I've responded to all of the points above. Kosack (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kosack: I made one change, but the changes you made answer my questions. Support --Guerillero Parlez Moi 15:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "for the first time after World War II." is "after World War II" needed since the scope of this list is 1946 onwards?
  • "During the 1951–52 competition," lost track of what "competition" because we've had the tour in betwixt. I know it's mentioned later in the sentence but it jars.
  • "The side also entered the FIFA World Cup" for the first time?
  • "they were able to qualify by winning" -> "they qualified by winning"
  • "who would advance" curiously here would be where I would say "to the quarter-final" as these days there's a intermediate step between the groups and the QFs, which might (to some) appear to be overlooked here even though it isn't (if you get my drift)...
  • Match 179 appears by the date to have happened before match 178.
  • N doesn't appear to be an option in the heading of H/A/N?
  • Curiously, because the score doesn't sort wins/draws/losses before the scoreline, I can't actually sort the table by wins or draws or losses for Wales.
    The column is more for sorting the size of the scoreline rather than Wales' win or losses, especially as the results are all listed in Wales' favour anyway. There's not many FLs for comparison, but the other two national teams with FLs both sort in the same fashion. Kosack (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1958 FIFA World Cup Qualification", "Bryn Jones" and "Letná Stadium" all piped to redirects, minor but you could fix those if making other edits.
  • Seems odd for the qualifiers to sort after the finals when ordering the Competition column.
  • Head to head table: I don't like the differing number of decimal places (that's the scientist in me) nor do I like the addition of Northern Ireland's %s which add up to 99.99%...
  • RSSSF, you have "The" in front of it in Footnotes (apart from [1]), but not Statistics.

That's all I have. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TRM, I've addressed all of the comments above with one further reply. Kosack (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • On a side note, the title of the article has been changed slightly with the addition of brackets by another user which is unrelated to this FLC. Just in case anyone was wondering. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ~ HAL333 20:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • In Although Wales lost all three games, they did win the reverse fixtures when all three nations travelled to Wales within the next two years., replace "did win" with "won". More concise.
  • I hope you don't mind that I archived the sources.

Nice work! ~ HAL333 20:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HAL333: Thanks for taking a look. I've made the above change. No worries on the archiving! Kosack (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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