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Timeline of the 2018 Pacific hurricane season edit

Timeline of the 2018 Pacific hurricane season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): NoahTalk 22:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is now a complete timeline, documenting all the important events of the season. What a journey it has been with all of the articles in the 2018 Pacific hurricane season. I would like to thank Cyclonebiskit for all his help with this list as well. NoahTalk 22:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Support from CodingCyclone! 🌀 📘 21:34, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from CodingCyclone

Great job with this! I just have a few comments:

  • The 2018 Pacific hurricane season was an event in the annual cycle of tropical cyclone formation, in which tropical cyclones form in the eastern Pacific Ocean. The season officially started on May 15 in the eastern Pacific—east of 140°W—and began on June 1 in the central Pacific—between the International Date Lineand 140°W, and ended on November 30. These dates typically cover the period of each year when most tropical cyclones form in the eastern Pacific basin. - this is a bit generic. Can you remove or replace it with something else? I know the most recent WPTC FL has this as well though, so it isn't that big of a deal. Maybe also add "...and began on June 1 in the central Pacific – the region between the..." if you keep it.
  • Added the region part. It seems virtually all of our timelines have the same introduction just to be consistent. NoahTalk 20:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The table with the storms and their intensities doesn't seem to fit well with everything else, IMO. Are you open to removing it?
  • The table exists mainly to clarify the date of dissipation for Hector since it exited the basin and to show 96C, which can't be displayed in the timeline image per the current treatment of unofficial storms. It also shows the designations of each system (Walaka was never a TD operationally and thus the 01C was not explicitly mentioned). NoahTalk 20:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you need 2 files with Olivia?
  • Well, I didn't want there to be a large gap in the article for images. Given the landfall was historic for two islands, I think both images can be justified. NoahTalk 20:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you do keep the table, use "Tropical depression" and "Tropical storm" in the intensities. After all, you use "Category 1 hurricane."
  • Not sure what the issue is here other than capitalization. NoahTalk 20:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try varying the prose a bit. I'm seeing a lot of "strengthened" and "weakened". Try throwing in the occasional "intensified," "degenerated," and the like.
  • Actually intensifies and strengthens are both used about equally (intensifies is used more). Other synonyms aren't very academic or don't fit. I will add in more degenerated since weakened appears to be the main one. NoahTalk 21:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe remove dissipations, as they don't have coordinates. They also aren't on other timelines.
  • Add {{broader|2018 Pacific hurricane season}} to the top of the article.
  • Add alt text for the season track map.

That's all I've got! Great job with this, a timeline for such an active season is not an easy feat! (please ping me when it's done! :)) CodingCyclone! 🌀 📘 20:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CodingCyclone: Should be everything now. NoahTalk 21:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! That was really fast. One second, I'll add support. CodingCyclone! 🌀 📘 21:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support from LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 04:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from LightandDark2000 edit

There are really a small handful of issues that I have been able to pick out, mostly involving the same issues. I think you did a phenomenal job here. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead
  • I was told not to link countries/geographic regions that most people should be familiar with. NoahTalk 02:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The season began with the formation of Tropical Depression One-E, developed on May 10, and ended with the dissipation of the season's final storm, Tropical Storm Xavier, dissipated as a tropical cyclone on November 5. Change "developed" to "which developed", and change "dissipated" to "which dissipated". The sentence would sound more grammatically-sound after these changes.
Summary table
  • Question: Aren't the storms with their own articles supposed to be linked via their names? This is how things are done in the season articles. If not, then you can just ignore this one.
  • They are linked in the timeline map directly above it and in the infobox. I think that should be sufficient. NoahTalk 02:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Body
  • Hurricane Bud reaches peak intensity with winds of 140 mph (220 km/h) and a pressure of 943 mbar (hPa; 27.85 inHg), Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure". We should be consistent with how we handle things.
  • Tropical Storm Bud intensifies into a Category 1 hurricane about 280 mi (450 km) south of Manzanillo, Colima. Link Manzanillo, Colima.
  • Tropical Storm Bud weakens into a post-tropical cyclone about 140 miles (220 km) south-southwest of Huatabampito, Mexico. Link "post-tropical cyclone".
  • Tropical Depression Five-E develops from an area of low pressure about 730 miles (1,175 km) southwest of the southern tip of Baja California. Link Baja California.
  • Tropical Storm Ileana peaks with winds of 65 mph (100 km/h) and a pressure of 998 mbar (29.47inHg) approximately 170 miles (490 km) southeast of Manzanillo, Mexico. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Hurricane Hector reaches peak intensity with winds of 155 mph (250 km/h) and a pressure of 936 mbar (27.64 inHg) approximately 890 miles (1,430 km) east-southeast of Hilo, Hawaii. Same as the above. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Hurricane John degenerates into a tropical storm while located roughly 275 mi (445 km) southwest of Punta Abreojos, Baja California Sur. Link Punta Abreojos.
  • Tropical Storm Kristy reaches peak intensity with maximum sustained winds of 70 mph (110 km/h) and a minimum pressure of 991 mbar (29.3 inHg) while located roughly 1,170 mi (1,885 km) west-southwest of Punta Eugenia, Baja California Sur. Link Punta Eugenia.
  • Tropical Storm Kristy weakens into a tropical depression while located roughly 1,095 mi (1,760 km) southwest of Point Conception, California. Link Point Conception, and also link California.
  • Tropical Storm Hector crosses the International Dateline and enters the Japan Meteorological Agency's area of responsibility. Maybe add "(JMA)" after Japan Meteorological Agency, because this is a common acronym.
  • I have been told not to employ acronymns unless I plan to use them. NoahTalk 03:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hurricane Lane peaks with winds of 160 mph (260 km/h) and a pressure of 926 mbar (27.3 inHg), about 360 miles (580 km) south of Hilo, Hawaii. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Hurricane Norman peaks with winds of 150 mph (240 km/h) and a pressure of 937 mbar (27.7 inHg), approximately 520 miles (835 km) southwest of the southern tip of Baja California. Same as the above.
  • Hurricane Miriam peaks as a Category 2 hurricane with winds of 100 mph (155 km/h) and a pressure of 974 mbar (28.8 inHg) approximately 910 miles (1,465 km) east of Hilo, Hawaii. Same as the above.
  • Tropical Depression Seventeen-E forms about 365 mi (590 km) southeast of Socorro Island. Link Socorro Island.
  • that absorbed the remnants of Hurricane Lane transitions into a tropical or subtropical cyclone approximately 1,015 mi (1,635 km) south of Adak, Alaska. Link subtropical cyclone.
  • Hurricane Olivia rapidly intensifies into a Category 2 hurricane about 215 mi (345 km) west-southwest of Clarion Island. Link "rapidly intensifies" to rapid intensification.
  • Linked on Aletta instead. NoahTalk 03:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hurricane Olivia further intensifies into a Category 4 hurricane and reaches its peak intensity with maximum winds of 130 mph (215 km/h) and a pressure of 951 mbar (hPa; 28.08 inHg) about 950 mi (1,525 km) west of Clarion Island. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Tropical Depression Nineteen-E develops from an elongated trough just east of Loreto, Baja California Sur over the Gulf of California. Link "trough" to trough (meteorology).
  • Tropical Depression Nineteen-E reaches its peak intensity with winds of 35 mph (55 km/h) and a pressure of 1002 mbar (29.6 inHg) about 60 mi (95 km) west-southwest of Ciudad Obregón. Same as the above.
  • Tropical Depression Twenty-E forms from a tropical wave while located roughly 405 mi (650 km) south-southwest of Manzanillo, Mexico. Link tropical wave.
  • Hurricane Rosa peaks with winds of 150 mph (240 km/h) and a pressure of 936 mbar (27.6 inHg), while 895 mi (1,440 km) south-southwest of Punta San Antonio, Mexico. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Tropical Storm Sergio strengthens into a Category 1 hurricane about 810 mi (1,305 km) west-southwest of Zihuatanejo, Mexico. Link Zihuatanejo.
  • Already linked on the mention for Carlotta. NoahTalk 03:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hurricane Sergio peaks with winds of 140 mph (220 km/h) and a pressure of 942 mbar (27.8 inHg), about 825 mi (1,330 km) southwest of Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Tropical Depression Twenty-Two-E forms while located roughly 75 mi (120 km) south-southwest of Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán. Link "Lázaro Cárdenas" to Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán, and link also Michoacán.
  • Tropical Depression Twenty-Three-E forms while located roughly 90 mi (145 km) west-southwest of Puerto San Jose, Guatemala. Link Puerto San José, and also link Guatemala.
  • Did first one, but the second one shouldn't be linked per reasoning above for Mexico. NoahTalk 03:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hurricane Willa's rapid intensification culminates with it becoming a Category 5 hurricane roughly 200 mi (320 km) west-southwest of Manzanillo, Colima. It reaches its peak intensity at this time with maximum winds of 160 mph (260 km/h) and a pressure of 925 mbar (27.32 inHg). Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
  • Tropical Storm Vicente weakens to a tropical depression around 95 mi (155 km) southwest of Playa Azul, Mexico. Link "Playa Azul" to Playa Azul (Michoacán).
  • Hurricane Willa rapidly degenerates to a tropical storm due to a combination of mountainous terrain and strong wind shear while located about 10 mi (15 km) southeast of Durango City, Durango. change "degenerates to" to "degenerates into". Also, add a comma after "tropical storm".
  • Tropical Storm Xavier reaches peak intensity with winds of 65 mph (100 km/h) and a pressure of 996 mbar (29.41 inHg), about 130 mi (210 km) southwest of Manzanillo, Colima. Change "pressure" to "minimum pressure".
Sources
  • Ran a bot to archive all the links. NoahTalk 02:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These are really the only issues that I have found. I think that CodingCyclone got the rest of them. This article is close to becoming a Featured List; it just needs some minor improvements before it's ready. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now supporting the FL nomination. I think the article is good to go now. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 03:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@LightandDark2000: I don't want to be invasive, but I think that you should collapse your review due to its length as it is a common practice and from what I remember, one of the guidelines here. :) CodingCyclone! 🌀 📘 04:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this is probably the best hurricane season timeline on Wikipedia. The references and details are on point, and the images are all public domain. Two tiny quips. One, 96C isn't in the timeline graphic at the top of "Timeline of events", which makes sense since it wasn't a proper tropical cyclone. Second, you should spell out PDT/CDT/MDT/HDT/MST/CST on their first usage, I think that's some rule on Wikipedia about spelling out acronyms. It could be confusing at the end that MST/CST aren't spelled out anywhere, and people might not realize that the acronym changed because of the dreaded daylight saving time. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can add a note about the timezone switching due to DST. As for spelling out timezones: Abbreviations for time zones (e.g. GMT and UTC) should not be written out in full in times. NoahTalk 17:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Throughout the season, 26 tropical depressions developed, 23 of which became tropical storms, 13 of them reached hurricane strength, and 10 achieved major hurricane intensity". This could do with breaking up into two sentences. It's also unclear if the 13 and 10 are subsets of the 23 or of the whole 26.
  • Technically, it is a subset of both. 13/23 TSs became hurricanes and 13/26 TDs became hurricanes.
  • "Several storms severy affected land" - "severely" spelt wrong

Source review – Pass edit

Doing soon. Aza24 (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Version reviewed: [2]
Formatting
  • Hmm I'm not sure about the authors for ref 1, it seems like they are references for the reference, so perhaps their inclusion is not necessary? With ref 1 as well, I believe the Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory is the publisher, so should be under the parameter; the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration feels unnecessary, what do you think?
  • Removed the authors since they aren't listed directly at the source and changed the publisher. NoahTalk 02:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I recommend removing "Miami, Florida" from ref 5 as its the only time you use a location
Reliability
  • First class sourcing—the tweet is less than ideal, but seems perfectly fine in the places it's used
Verifiability
  • I'm not sure ref 4 is going to the correct link? Should probably mark it as dead
  • Actually, appears this is an older version of ref one so I just replaced it. NoahTalk 02:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The rest looks good
  • Looks great, pass for source review Aza24 (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 02:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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