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MTV Video Music Award for Video of the Year edit

MTV Video Music Award for Video of the Year (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): HĐ (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I think it satisfies FL criteria. Information in this list is sourced (which is rather easy given MTV's comprehensive archives), and it is also informative regarding the awards' history and selection. Any comment will be very much appreciated. Cheers, HĐ (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "Eminem holds the record for the most nominations, with seven nominations as a solo artist" - are the words "as a solo artist" actually needed here?
  • There is one extra nomination as a group member of D12, so I think it's better to include "as a solo artist", HĐ (talk) 03:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "For artists who are not from the U.S." - I think "Among artists who are not from the U.S." would be better, personally
  • Road to Nowhere is missing it closing quote mark
  • "David Lee Roth (1985), U2 (1988), and Lady Gaga (2010) are the only performers to have two Video of the Year nominations in one night" - Missy Elliott had two in 2001, Rihanna had two in 2012, and Kendrick Lamar had two in 2015 as well
  • Curiously MTV (apparently) does not count featured/guest appearances. For instance, the "Telephone" (Lady Gaga ft. Beyonce) win for Best Collaboration was counted for Gaga only ([2]). Revised "as a lead artist", HĐ (talk) 03:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2013 there's a random stray curly bracket at the end of the first nominee
  • I think it's fixed now, HĐ (talk) 03:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your comments! I have responded as above. HĐ (talk) 03:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support from Ashleyyoursmile
  • I think the first link on MTV should be on ref 2 and not on ref. 6. Accordingly, any target on MTV should be removed from subsequent references.
  • Link on Billboard should be removed from refs 8 and 43, since its already linked on ref 5.

Great work with the list. --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for your comments. I have added wikilinks to all references, as it does not constitute WP:OVERLINK. HĐ (talk) 08:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for clarifying. I support this for promotion. Ashleyyoursmile! 10:30, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comments –

  • In the lead, you have both 2019 and 2020 as years that You Need to Calm Down was awarded. According to the table, it looks like the 2020 one at the end of the second paragraph is incorrect.
    • Whoops, corrected. HĐ (talk) 06:52, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to WP:LAYOUT, the see also section should go before the notes. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for the comments. I have addressed them accordingly, HĐ (talk) 06:52, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47 edit

  • I would encourage you to add ALT text to the MTV logo in the infobox.
  • For this part, is the most prestigious competitive award, is it necessary to clarify that it is a competitive award? I know the VMAs do honorary awards, like the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award, but I am uncertain this clarification is really necessary.
  • I think it could be removed altogether. I don't think keeping it as merely the most prestigious would be convincing given that the Vanguard is more (or less) celebrated. HĐ (talk) 06:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is more of a clarification question, but does this award only go to the performer(s) and not the music video director or anyone else associated with production?
  • Yes, the award goes to the performers, as indicated at MTV's archive list. The directors/producers have their own category (Best Direction/Editing/Cinematography, if I am correct). I was kind of surprised to find out so, but I guess that's probably why the MTV VMAs are more popular than the Grammys for Music Videos in terms of teen popularity. HĐ (talk) 06:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the explanation! That was what I got from the list, but I just wanted to make sure. Aoba47 (talk)
  • I think this part, the winners are determined by viewers' votes through MTV's website, would read better like, viewers vote for the winners through MTV's website, as it would put it in the active tense and avoid having two similar sentences in a row.
  • I think it's okay to keep it as it is, to make in consistent with the previous sentence's wording. HĐ (talk) 06:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I hope these comments are helpful. My suggestions are very nitpick-y as the list is already very strong. It is interesting to think about how the VMAs (and award ceremonies in general) have changed over the years. Maybe it's because I'm getting older and far more out of touch with new music trends, but I did not even watch or remember much of the last VMA show lol. Either way, I will support this when my comments are addressed, and I hope you are having a great weekend. Aoba47 (talk) 02:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. I have responded to them accordingly. Your help is always very much appreciated! HĐ (talk) 06:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am glad that I can help. I support this list for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:33, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Some sources, e.g. NYT appear to require a subscription, so that means adding url-access=subscription to the citations.
  • Does ref 1 refer to this as "the most prestigious"?
  • "Since 2006, the " bit Easter eggy, so perhaps "Since the 2006 awards," and pipe "the 2006 awards".
  • "most nominations, with seven nominations " repetitive use of nominations.
  • "second most" should be hyphenated when used adjetively.
  • And do you need "is the artist with" or would "has" just suffice?
  • " in one night" odd, maybe "in one ceremony" or "at a single awards" or something.
  • " Video Vanguard Award " what's that? Not explained anywhere here.
  • Image captions which are complete sentences should end with a full stop.
  • "Girls Just Want to Have Fun " is unnecessarily piped.
  • Why is "This Note's for You" linked? Is it not notable?
  • "Cryin'" is unnecessarily piped.
  • "featuring The LOX" should be "the LOX".
  • "Jesus Walks" is unnecessarily piped.
  • Pussycat Dolls has "The" in front of it.
  • You use different pipes for Humble in table and image caption.
  • Worth noting how many of these also won the MTV Europe Music Award for Best Video.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. I have addressed all of them. HĐ (talk) 11:54, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from GagaNutella
  • Note b: write Kendrick Lamar instead of just Lamar. If someone goes directly into that section, he/she might not understand;
  • Use "." or remove it in the photos' caption;
  • I included the full stop in captions that are full sentences, and excluded which are not. HĐ (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd let the reference about the EMA in the ref section, not after the music's name, use <br> between them.
  • I think it is better to include the ref next to the EMA winner, to justify the bg-color and the dagger. HĐ (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The list is very cohesive and well written! GagaNutellatalk 20:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your comments :) HĐ (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I now support. GagaNutellatalk 02:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from MaranoFan edit

The list looks great. I just have a few questions.

  • "Eminem holds the record for the most nominations, with seven as a solo artist" -- Does Eminem have more nominations with a group? If so that should be mentioned with a footnote, and if not I think "as a solo artist" is redundant here. Even "as a lead artist" will probably be a better term to use.
  • He does. I added a note to explain, and revised it to "lead artist". HĐ (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a reason why the nationalities are relegated to brackets? (instead of "Barbadian singer Rihanna and Irish band U2")
  • I did so to fit in with the country name "the U.S." for American artists. HĐ (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "an honorary award for artist who had "profound impact" on music video and popular culture" -- Is "artists" and "music videos" being singular here grammatically correct?
  • Changed to plural. HĐ (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "performers" seems like a weird substitute for "artists" in the context of this list since this category doesn't inherently have anything to do with performing. I would suggest sticking to "artists", "recipients", "nominees", etc.
  • Changed to "artists". HĐ (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

--NØ 12:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your comments. I believe I have addressed them all :) HĐ (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support now :)--NØ 02:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from SNUGGUMS edit

Resolved
  • I think these are both awards held by MTV, and given one's popularity in the States and the other in Europe, I think it offers an interesting comparison. HĐ (talk) 02:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • They definitely are both MTV Awards, I just feel the details on EMA wins are better for that page than this one. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted the images as you recommended. Regarding the MTV EMA thing... I would like to hear from The Rambling Man as well. HĐ (talk) 04:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can't remember, struck me while I was reviewing and there was a good reason for it but it's gone. Do as you like, it's there and informative and interesting but if you are so mortified by its inclusion, remove it. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't go so far to say "mortified", just feel it's out of place here. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that there is little connection between the VMAs and the EMAs, I have removed the bit. I choose to keep the link to the EMAs Video of the Year in the "See also" section, however. HĐ (talk) 10:30, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I now support for FL. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed (you had one cite as "cite journal" instead of "cite web", which I fixed since it wasn't to an academic journal); promoting. --PresN 19:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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