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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 17:19:06 28 October 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of songs recorded by Paul McCartney edit

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Nominator(s): – zmbro (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hendrix has two supports so I think I'm good to go with my next song list. This time one of the most important musicians of our time – and all time – and (very debatably) the greatest English musician of all time, Paul McCartney. I've already done George Harrison and John Lennon's song lists so I figured I might as well do Paul's. It includes all of his solo work, his recordings with other bands such as Wings, the Fireman, among others, and songs he's credited as featured artist, as well as classical music he has composed. As always, any comments or concerns are appreciated. Up next will be Ringo Starr's list and of course, the Fab Four together. – zmbro (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*An extremely impressive achievement, considering the sheer number of songs covered. I will do a full review later, but one quick point - I don't think the heading "Classical Songs" is appropriate. Firstly, there shouldn't be a capital S on songs, but beyond that most of them are (to the best of my knowledge) not songs. I think "Classical pieces" would be more appropriate -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, this by far the longest one I've ever done; I started this two years ago and it's taken til now to really get it to where it needs to be, for someone as important as McCartney. What's insane is that this list doesn't even cover his Beatles songs, which is over 200 more, as well as songs he just played on as a musician, like Jackie Lomax's "Sour Milk Sea" or Foo Fighters' "Concrete and Gold", or stuff he produced, like Mary Hopkin's "Those Were the Days"; that honestly deserves its own list. You make a good point about the title thing – fixed. Can't wait til hear your comments. :-) – zmbro (talk) 00:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • More comments
    • Do we need his year of birth in the first sentence? – Since he's still alive definitely not. Sorry force of habit :-)
    • "his murder in December in 1980" => "his murder in December 1980" – whoops
    • "Other individuals McCartney has collaborated with" => "Other individuals with whom McCartney has collaborated" – done
    • Seems strange that all the people in this sentence are categorised by their nationality, other than Godrich – fixed
  • Think that's all I have on the lead. I have not looked at the table yet -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:40, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • First comments on the table is that the artist column does not sort correctly. Artists who have a Forename/Surname name need to sort by surname. Groups whose names start with "The" need to sort as if the "the" wasn't there -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whoops, I'll take care of that in a bit. – zmbro (talk) 22:58, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Another comment on the classical section, and maybe this is me being overly pedantic, but we'll see ;-) I had a look at the article on "Ocean's Kingdom" and it says it was "performed by the London Classical Orchestra". I understand that ol' Macca composed the score, but should the tracks from it be included on a list of songs recorded by him, if he didn't actually perform on it in any way...? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had wondered that too. I mainly put it in the list since it's technically a "Paul McCartney album" even though he doesn't explicitly perform (same with Working Classical); AllMusic lists the performer as "Paul McCartney / London Symphony Orchestra" so I think it's good. Should I just remove it? – zmbro (talk) 01:07, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure. It's a bit of a grey area - most performers with lists of "songs recorded by...." haven't also composed ballet scores :-) I will see what other people think...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
**Further comments on the table:
      • Songwriters for "Bye Bye Blackbird" should be highlighted
      • "Coming Up" and "Coming Up (Live at Glasgow)" are the same song, surely? So no reason for two separate entries
      • "Love is Strange" should be noted as a Mickey & Sylvia cover
      • "My One and Only Love" is a Vic Damone cover
      • "No Other Baby" was first recorded by Dickie Bishop and The Sidekicks, not The Vipers
      • "That's All Right Mama" was first recorded by Arthur Crudup, not Elvis
      • Notes C and D say the same thing, just worded fractionally different - see no reason not to combine them
      • Notes which are complete sentences need a full stop
      • HTH -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • ChrisTheDude All done. Over 400 songs so I'm bound to miss something :-) Gonna take care of the sorting issues now in the artist col now. – zmbro (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit: Sorting issues should be taken care of. Lmk if I missed anything :-) – zmbro (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Just had a quick look, and found that the notes and references are over linked per MOS:OVERLINK, there are many, like "the beatles", " Paul McCartney", " Parlophone", "Capitol Recors", "Apple records", "All music" and many other. Linking once is enough. If I find any other issues I will let you know. Dey subrata (talk) 20:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The tables are also over linked, mainly "Original Release" column in Songs table and "Release" column in the table Classical pieces.
  • Dey subrata It's actually customary in these types of lists to overlink like that, primarily the release cols with albums so that the reader can get to them with every song they look at. But I can definitely take care of the ones in references and notes which should not be a big deal. In previous lists I've done I've tended to overlink locations like the US and UK which I've stopped but you're probably right about record labels and whatnot. – zmbro (talk) 22:58, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Aoba47 edit

  • I understand the meaning of this sentence (Originally gaining prominence as a member of the Beatles, his songwriting partnership with bandmate John Lennon was one of the most celebrated in music history), but I am not certain if it is grammatically correct. I believe the initial, dependent phrase, in this case "Originally gaining prominence as a member of the Beatles", is supposed to describe the noun of the next part of the sentence. In this case, it would be attached to "his songwriting partnership with bandmate John Lennon", and that would not be correct.
  • Changed to "As a member of the Beatles, he formed a songwriting partnership with bandmate John Lennon that is one of the most celebrated in music history." That better?
  • I think that is better. Thank you for the revision. Aoba47 (talk) 05:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • For this part "Around this time McCartney collaborated", I believe there should be a comma between "time" and "McCartney". – done
  • For this part "More recently, McCartney has recorded music", I would avoid the phrase "more recently" as its meaning will change as time passes. "More recently" to a reader in 2025 or 2030 will mean something different to someone reading this now. It would probably be better to put in the decade or some approximation instead. I have always been told in the past to avoid using phrases like "recently" for the above reasons.
  • Changed to "in the 2010s"

Surprisingly enough, I genuinely know very little about the Beatles or Paul McCartney outside of their respective greatest hits so I can only speak to the prose of the lead. You have done an excellent job because it is both informative and interesting and makes sense to a completely unfamiliar reader like myself. I just have three rather minor remarks, but once those are addressed, I will support this for promotion. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 00:27, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All done. They really are one of the greatest. And now's a really good time to listen to them, since the Abbey Road remix just came out last week. You should check more of their stuff out if you get a chance! Thanks for the comments :-) – zmbro (talk) 04:39, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will definitely make sure to check out more of their work in the future. Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 05:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ojorojo edit

Looks good, but there's a lot to take in. There was a separate Wings list – there are enough songs and they have their own discography. Or is it similar to Hendrix vs the Experience, where it's sometimes hard to distinguish the two? —Ojorojo (talk) 19:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo I originally made a separate one for them but eventually realized doing that was dumb since other bands McCartney was in (like the Fireman with Youth) were included and Wings wasn't. A few things I thought about were: one of the main criticisms of Wings throughout their whole run was being none other than backup musicians for McCartney (was actually Henry McCullough's stated reason for leaving the band in 1973). On top of that, multiple compilations including All the Best! and Pure McCartney include Wings with his solo work and McCartney himself on his tours performs Wings' work colloquially so I just decided to merge it back and keep it with his post-Beatles work as a whole. In the case of Hendrix vs the Experience, I think it's a little easier to distinguish between McCartney's solo work and his work with Wings but not that much, considering both "Maybe I'm Amazed" and "Coming Up" achieved greater commercial success with live versions by Wings than their studio versions, but again that's why I just decided to merge it, because to me it makes more sense. – zmbro (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OK, makes sense. I did some spot checks on the album and singles refs and they look fine, so I'll support. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Woof, that's a long table. Agree with above decision to keep Wings stuff here, though. Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 17:19, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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