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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 22:08, 22 June 2012 [1].

List of songs recorded by Chrisye edit

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Nominator(s): Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it is a fairly complete list of songs recorded by Chrisye during his career as a vocalist. It includes all songs he recorded on his solo albums, as well as all songs on Guruh Gipsy and Badai Pasti Berlalu. There may be a few songs (not singles) on out-of-print audio-cassettes or CDs (very few Indonesian albums are reissued, especially 20 years down the road), but that's okay per FL criteria 1a) as any out there are minor songs which he did not bother mentioning in his biography or receive coverage from news outlets. I would like to thank Mark Arsten for copyediting, and note that I based this off Calvin999's List of songs recorded by Rihanna. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment This is my first FL review, so I had to look at some other lists. The last paragraph in the lead is "This list includes song titles and their English translations, if applicable; songs titles that do not need translation but have a possibly unclear meaning have notes after the title. Unless otherwise noted, all songs are in Indonesian. Songs performed but not recorded are not listed." Should not this be in the "Released songs" section at the beginning of the table rather than in the lead? See for example List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Baltimore#Tallest_buildings. --SupernovaExplosion Talk 01:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's workable, but I think in the linked example it was put with the different lists due to each list having a different scope. Here, there's only the one list Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I meant that there is only one list of songs in the article. The Boston article has three lists, while the Rihanna one has two. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Beginning with Badai Pasti Berlalu (1977), Chrisye began to write songs; his first songwriting credit was "Merepih Alam"." Not keen on this sentence, in particular the "Beginning with ... he began...." repetition.
  • How's this?
  • "over his initial solo albums" I think "early" would sound better than "initial".
  • Agree. Changed.
  • You don't need to link "songwriter".
  • Delinked.
  • You link "arrangement" after you use the term "arranged", so I'd link it first time if I were you.
  • Fixed.
  • "the title with the most iterations is "Cinta Kita", which has three different songs attached to it" I would rephrase this as ""Cinta Kita" has the most versions, with three."
  • Ref. should be Ref(s)
  • Fixed.

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed most. Not sure if "version" would be right, as the three "Cinta Kita"s (sp?) have a) completely different writers/composers b) completely different lyrics and c) a completely different tempo and arrangement. The only thing they share in common is the title. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "songs titles that do not need translation...". "songs" → "song"?
  • Fixed.
  • Is Denny Sakrie (from Denny Sakrie's Music House) an expert on the topic of Indonesian music, or is this just somebody's personal webpage? If the latter, it's not going to be a reliable source and a replacement should be found. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

'Comments

  • A pic of the singer in the lead would be useful.
  • I agree wholeheartedly. However, no free images are available. Otherwise the main article would have one too. A Fair-Use image wouldn't pass the criteria.
Can't you use one of the four on his bio? Aaron • You Da One
  • There are only two FU images in the biographical article (both of him), and using them would fall afoul of FUC #8, as knowing what he looked like is not necessary to understand what he sang. The other two images are not very useful, methinks: neither the grave nor his signature would serve for much more than decoration. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Collaborator(s) column is so wide all because of one song's row. Put three names underneath the first three names so the table as a whole isn't so wide. Aaron • You Da One 15:16, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 14:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Looks great overall; I've made a couple of small alterations here. I just have a few fruther comments/suggestions:
  • I'm a bit confused by the {{incomplete list}} template at the top of the page – which songs are missing?
  • The Indonesian Wikipedia has him singing Titiek Puspa's "Hidupku Untuk Cinta" solo and "Marilah Kemari" with other artists on From Us to U. The album seems to be out of print (been looking for about two years), so I am unable to verify that. As visible from the history, several songs, like "Doa Anak Negeri", were added after a new book came out (minor songs, but still met the inclusion criteria).
  • The Collaborators column largely consists of empty cells, whereas almost every entry in the Song column contains two pieces of information: the song's original title and its English translation. I wonder whether it might be worth swapping them around, i.e. have the English translations of song titles in the second column, and the collaborators in a small font underneath the original titles. I feel that a reader is more likely to want to sort the table by English title rather than by collaborator anyway. Obviously this is a major change to the list, so feel free to consider it at your own discretion.
  • These are generally not official translations, as many of the songs did not see international release. The translations are only to give readers who don't speak Indonesian a rough idea of what the song was about. Giving it its own column would be undue weight, in my opinion. Also, songs like "Asalkan Pilih Jalan Damai" with six or seven artists would end up very messy.
  • Speaking of the Collaborators column, was Chrisye the lead artist on all the songs listed, or for some of them was he a featured artist on someone else's album?
  • He was part of a group for "Asalkan Pilih Jalan Damai", "Kidung", and "Kemesraan". I could indicate this with a footnote.
  • The second sentence of the first paragraph took me by surprise the first time I read it. I was thinking "Whoa, Lilin-Lilin Kecil was number 13 in what exactly?", and it wasn't until I got to the end of the paragraph that I realised what it was referring to. Looking over it a second time, it of course made a lot more sense, and it reads better as well. But I wonder whether, for the sake of first-time readers, it might be worth moving the parenthetical remark to the end of the sentence.
  • Changed
  • "in 1989 and 1989" Is that correct? Or should the first one be 1988?
&Yep.
  • The fourth paragraph repeats the word "songs" a lot. Given the topic of the article, obviously this is to be expected, but I wonder whether it might perhaps be worth varying the prose slightly with some similar words, e.g. "tracks"?
  • Trimmed.

Overall, great work! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 18:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the review! I just wish we had better free pictures of Indonesians... pretty much every field is underrepresented. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The photograph of Fariz RM is a different width to all the others – using upright rather than 200px on all the images would fix this, and would give extra space on the screen for the columns of the table.
  • Removed. For some reason I can't get it to work.
  • This is sort of what I was referring to. Revert it if you don't like the change.
  • Every cell in the Album(s) column lists just one album, so it might be worth changing it to just Album.
  • Were "Kidung" and "Kemesraan" featured on any albums? If not, their Album(s) cells should just say "Single only" for the sake of consistency. Also, what were the groups that released these singles actually called?
  • None that I've found thusfar. After Badai Pasti Berlalu he more or less stayed a solo singer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do the two different versions of "Pergilah Kasih" represent two distinctly different recordings, or is one simply an edited version of the other?
  • Essentially the same except for the extra instrumentals (recorded at the same time). To be removed?  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll leave it to you – there's doesn't really seem to be any firm consensus either way. If each entry represents a song that Chrisye has recorded, then I personally don't think that things like post-prod edits or remixes need to be included, as the singer himself hasn't actually recorded anything new. However, other editors might argue that, since the extended version of "Pergilah Kasih" was included on the album, it's worth including it on this list too.
Incidentally, I've got my own FLC: 1990s UK Albums Chart number ones. If you have the time, I welcome any comments on it. Thanks very much! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 21:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, unless there is consensus otherwise I'll keep it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Just had another look over the list, and there are no issues that I can see, so I'm happy to support this nomination. (I think it might be worth changing "that Younky Suwarno arranged" to "arranged by Younky Suwarno" though.) Great work! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 17:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good work :) --GoPTCN 08:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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