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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:42, 6 December 2012 [1].

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Nominator(s): AARON• TALK 11:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I worked hard to completely revamp the list and order it into a fully functional and easy to navigate list. I have followed the criteria, which I used for List of songs recorded by Rihanna and List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis, both of which were promoted to FL. (I have received permission from the FL delegate Giants2008 to have a second nomination at FLC as my other nomination, List of songs recorded by Alexandra Burke, has three supports and all comments have been addressed). AARON• TALK 11:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "English singer-songwriter Adele has recorded material for a two studio albums" material should be songs and a should be removed
  • "has been featured on songs on other artists respective albums and has recorded the eponymous theme song of the 23rd James Bond film Skyfall (2012)." remainder of the sentence doesn't flow very well. would change to collaborated with other artists on their respective albums and recorded the eponymous theme song of the 23rd James Bond film Skyfall."
  • "label mate" I would remove this, its irrelevant they're signed to the same label
  • Is it relevant to this list mentioning she met the producer Jim Abbiss, while recording a song. He is not in the scope of the list, so I would remove it. That sentence is poorly written, so think it would be best its removed
  • "The first single released from 19 was..." this is not professional standards of writing change to "Chasing Pavements', co-written by Adele and Eg White was the album's first single."
  • "She and White also co-wrote other songs on the album, including "Melt My Heart to Stone" and "Tired"." -> They also co-wrote two other songs: "Melt My Heart to Stone" and "Tired"
  • "Adele also collaborated with Sacha Skarbek..."
  • Not keen on sentences starting with "In..." its poor prose. Sentences with this prefix need revising
    Still one example of this at the end of the second paragraph. NapHit (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. AARON• TALK
  • "The album saw Adele work..." again not professional standards of prose change to "Adele worked with writers from 19, as well as new ones.
  • You link James Bond and Skyfall twice in the lead, one is enough
  • No need for the colour indicating Adele was the sole writer of the song. That is indicated by the fact she is the only person in the writer column for that song
    I want to keep that. It's easier to see and the names don't blur into each other that way. AARON• TALK
  • If you're listing songs by letter then "I'll be Waiting" should be before "If It Hadn't Been For Love" as this is what happens when you press the sort key, so it should be that way to begin with
  • ref 2 hyphen should be an en dash
  • The Telegraph is actually The Daily Telegraph

NapHit (talk) 22:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done all, apart from the two points with a reply. AARON• TALK 00:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would state when 19 is released, I also don't think you need to include the year of the release in brackets after the album.
    You always bracket the year the album was released the first you mention an album. AARON• TALK
    Been looking at other music lists here and none of them due it. I don't see any value it would be better if you wrote it out in prose. For instance this sentence: "The singer released her second studio album 21 (2011)." makes no sense, its an incomplete sentence at the moment. NapHit (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    It's in all Rihanna GAs/FAs for sure, as well as the Leona and Beyonce ones. I did have it as part of the prose, but you didn't like how I had done it. AARON• TALK
Its need to be in prose in this sentence: "The singer released her second studio album 21 (2011)." as its not gramatically correct at the moment. Also you need to explicitly state in prose when 19 was released as you suddenly jump into talking about the album's first single. This should be done to ensure the prose flows and there is no ambiguity for the reader. NapHit (talk) 22:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This still needs to be done, you can't have a sentence like this: "Adele released her second studio album 21 (2011)." in what is supposed to be our best work. Remove the brackets and write it in prose, there is no guideline stating otherwise. NapHit (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. AARON• TALK 19:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You still have the brackets for guest vocals, I don't see the point of this to be honest, you could just remove it or write in prose, instead of bracketing a link to something without context. For someone unfamiliar with music and who doesn't know what the brackets are advocating that is going to be confusing. NapHit (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I didn't see those ones. AARON• TALK 19:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in October 2012 to co-inside..." typo on co-incide also change the bit after to "with the film's release"
    Done. AARON• TALK 19:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following on from TRMs point on the album sorting, the explanation you gave makes no sense at all. The album column should sort alphabetically by album name, not by another factor as that is irrelevant to the column.
    It just sorts the tables, I can't help how it sorts. It sorts the albums by alphabetically order of the song. I don't know why. AARON• TALK 19:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you can help how the table sorts. Use the {{sort}} template to make it sort alphabetically seeing as that is what the column is supposed to and what people would expect. NapHit (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Where do you put it? I don't understand how to use it. AARON• TALK 22:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was hoping to provide an example for you to use, but for some reason the column continues to sort in the same manner. Very strange, can't work out what is causing this. Mentioned it here and an explanation has been provided. NapHit (talk) 22:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose suggest you ask for a copyedit before nominating lists with so many errors in the prose I'm afraid. Just basic failings, poor grammar etc.
  • Please check image captions which aren't complete sentences don't have full stops.
    Removed. AARON• TALK
  • " for a two studio albums "?
    Removed. AARON• TALK
  • "on their respective albums" what does "respective" mean here?
    On the other artists respective album... AARON• TALK
    Maybe better to say "on each of the other artists' albums". The Rambling Man (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During this time, the singer contributed guest vocals on a song by Jack Peñate, entitled "My Yvonne" (Matinée, 2007).[2] "Chasing Pavements", co-written by Adele and Eg White, was the album's first single" doesn't flow because the first sentence is not talking about "the album" that the second sentence references.
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • "of the song's were " no need for the apostrophe.
    Removed. AARON• TALK
  • "as the single's" same.
    Removed. AARON• TALK
  • "The singer released..." you've mentioned two other singers in the meantime so you need to reinforce Adele here.
    Added. AARON• TALK
  • "Adele worked with writers from 19, as well as new ones." horrible sentence, basically she worked with people...
    Reworded. AARON• TALK
  • "7x platinum " we usually use a multiplication sign rather than a simple x. And in prose, it would be better as "seven-times".
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • "With Adele, Dan Wilson co-wrote "Someone Like You", Fraser T Smith co-wrote "Set Fire to the Rain" and Ryan Tedder co-wrote "Rumour Has It" and "Turning Tables".[6]" confusing sentence, jumbled information and not elegant.
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • You mention Skyfall theme tune at the beginning and at the end of the lead, no need to repeat this.
    Removed. AARON• TALK
  • How does "Album(s)" sort for you? Very odd for me.
    It is sorting the albums by alphabetical order of the name of the song. AARON• TALK
    Surely it should sort albums by the name of the album? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Our article on "Someone like You" doesn't have a capital L for "like".
    Changed. Always used to. AARON• TALK
  • Any way of knowing this list is complete?
    All the songs from her albums on the final tracklisting are here. I can add four songs into a new section called "Unreleased recorded/written songs" from ASCAP and BMI, but we don't know if she recorded them or what album they were for. Only that she wrote them. Three of them were with Epworth so I'd take a guess at those ones being for 21, but couldn't reference it here for sure. AARON• TALK 12:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not up to featured list standards
  • The image size should be much bigger, as done at List of songs recorded by Alexandra Burke, your most recent featured list
    Increased. AARON• TALK
  • Could you come up with a more interesting caption, such as something notable or interesting by Adele; for example, "Adele has had __ singles", just an example there, but for what its worth
    Wouldn't I need a source for that (which I doubt exists) otherwise it's original research? AARON• TALK
    As done on most featured lists, just use something interesting, etc., that is already in the article and sourced, and place that statement there in the image caption. TBrandley 23:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Will do tomorrow. AARON• TALK 23:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. AARON• TALK 14:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "English singer-songwriter Adele" missing "The" at the start
    Alexandra's, my most recent FL, does not have this. I believe it's superfluous. AARON• TALK
  • "has recorded songs for two studio albums" so, that's doesn't sound right, it sounds like she just recorded songs for two studio albums", that's odd, needs some copy-editing or cleanup
    It's the same as Alexandra's. AARON• TALK
  • "which was released" per the rest of the sentence add "ultimately" before "released"
    Added. AARON• TALK
  • ""My Yvonne" ," fix up the big whitespace from the ending quote to the comma next
    Done. AARON• TALK
  • Check for your consistency on using a comma after "and" and not doing so, doesn't matter which, just be consistent
    I never write "and," so I'm pretty sure I'm being consistent by not doing it all. AARON• TALK
    Nope, sentences like "However, the majority of the songs were written solely by Adele, including "Best for Last", "Crazy for You" and "First Love", as well as the singles "My Same" and "Hometown Glory"." use it one way, and sentences like ""If It Hadn't Been For Love" was a B-side to "Rolling in the Deep", and was included on the UK, Poland and Bulgaria limited edition bonus tracks versions of 21's track listing." use it the other, like with that comma before "and". Please check the whole list for occurrences! TBrandley 03:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    You said it doesn't matter if I do or don't, as long as I stick to one. I don't use it, so what's the problem? AARON• TALK 14:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Adele released her second studio album 21 in 2011." reference? Find a reliable source please
    Added. AARON• TALK
    The reference is fine, but that new one contains WP:DASH concerns, hypten should be an en-dash, and the location parameter should be removed on that reference per WP:CITE. It says location parameters should be used only for news or newspaper sources, such as The Guardian, and not regular web sources. TBrandley 23:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed dashes, but there is no location parameter. I don't use it. So I don't know where you're getting that from. AARON• TALK 23:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it is used. Look at this, "iTunes Store (GB)" GB is the location parameter. Remove per above reasoning. TBrandley 03:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not used. Go to the article, click edit, and search for a location parameter. You will not find one. There is nothing wrong with stating that it is the GB iTunes store. It's used in countless articles, and nothing says you can't abbreviate a country like GB. AARON• TALK 14:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Adele released her second studio album 21 in 2011. In addition to reuniting with writers whom she had previously worked with on 19, Adele collaborated with a set of new writers and procuders." Adele is used right in two sentences, hence why in the second one, change to "The artist" or "she", etc.
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • Also in that sentence in the very above issue, check your grammar on "procuders", it is supposed to be "producers"
    Corrected. AARON• TALK
  • "written by Adele" add "which was" at the start
    Added. AARON• TALK
  • "it has been certified seven-times" what? Clarify it is the song, I think, that's right?
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • "the pair" clarify again, I don't see "the pair" mentioned until farther up again
    I've only used "the pair" once. AARON• TALK
  • "co-incide" what's the point of the hypten. Removal unless good reasoning is found, it is "coinclide"
    Removed hypen. It's coinside, not coinclide. AARON• TALK
  • Tables don't meet WP:DTT, add table captions to ensure it does
    ? AARON• TALK
    If you don't know what it is, click on that link I gave you. Also, for it, you add

Comment suggest you try to gather some more interest from the discog community here, you've had plenty of very good reviews, but very little support. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have done. AARON• TALK 12:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: I'm leaning to support, but there are a few concerns I would like to raise for the lead:
  • "English singer-songwriter Adele has recorded songs for two studio albums and has collaborated with other artists on songs from their respective albums." – I'd probably use "for their respective albums" since it sounds odd saying collaborate from an album.
    I removed that part of the sentence days ago, not sure how you are seeing it here. AARON• TALK
  • Comma after "Matinée": "During this time, the singer contributed guest vocals on a song by Jack Peñate, entitled "My Yvonne", from his debut studio album Matinée released in 2007."
    Is that sentence the example you want me to change it to? Even though you say to put a comma after "Matinée" but don't in your example? AARON• TALK
    Yes, add a comma. I meant that you should put a comma in that sentence, which doesn't have one right now. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Added. AARON• TALK 20:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The first single to be released from 19 was "Chasing Pavements""
    Removed. AARON• TALK
  • "most" is usually preferred over "the majority".
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • Perhaps "by" instead of "of" here: "Adele appeared as a featured artist on another song of Peñate's entitled "Every Glance"" Also, another thing I'd like to add is that the "released in [year]" phrase is used twice. I was wondering if you could change one of them, to something like "[year] studio album" instead of "second studio album". That would be less repetitive.
    Changed both. AARON• TALK
  • "The lead single from the album, "Rolling in the Deep", which was co-written by Adele and Paul Epworth." - unfinished, perhaps join with next sentence and cut "since its release in the US"?
    "which" isn't there though. AARON• TALK
    Weird, I'm sure I copy and pasted directly. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Along with "Rolling in the Deep"" – not needed, we know this.
    Reworded. AARON• TALK
  • There should be an apostrophe in "albums second single". —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    There already was. AARON• TALK 17:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Either I'm seeing things, or I've gone out of my mind, or both. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support – well, this FLC racked up quite some Supports overnight. Here's mine, and keep up with the song lists, Aaron! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)
;Comments from Crisco 1492
  • "After she signed a contract with record company XL Recordings in September 2006, Adele began to work on her debut studio album, 19, which was ultimately released in 2008." - Don't think you need "ultimately".
    Look at TBrandley's points above. AARON• TALK
    Doesn't look required to me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adele collaborated with Sacha Skarbek on the single "Cold Shoulder", and recorded a cover version of Bob Dylan's "Make You Feel My Love". - Perhaps "She also collaborated with Sacha Skarbek on the single "Cold Shoulder" and recorded a cover version of Bob Dylan's "Make You Feel My Love"."
    Changed. AARON• TALK
  • Adele appeared as a featured artist on another of song of Peñate's entitled "Every Glance" from his second studio album, Everything Is New, released in 2009 and on Daniel Merriweather's "Water and a Flame" from his second studio album Love & War, released in 2009. - Perhaps "In 2009 Adele appeared as a featured artist on two songs: another collaboration with Peñate's, entitled "Every Glance", and Daniel Merriweather's "Water and a Flame"." The albums are fairly irrelevant here, I think.
    I've already changed this per Wikipedian Penguin's comments above. AARON• TALK
    That's still a lot of clauses and commas. A way to further trim this sentence woul dbe preferable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Changed. AARON• TALK 23:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • as the theme tune to the James Bond film of the same name to coincide with the release of the film. - If it's the theme tune, it's implied that it is to coincide with the release of the film. One of the two clauses should be trimmed.
    Yeah, it was released to coincide with the film. AARON• TALK
    You haven't addressed my comment — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Because I'm not really sure what you want me to do? You said it implies that the song was released to coincide with the release of the film, as it says, and I replied saying yes, as it was released to coincide. AARON• TALK
    "If it's the theme tune, it's implied that it is to coincide with the release of the film. One of the two clauses should be trimmed." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I have changed it about. AARON• TALK 23:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    How is an album absolved? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a synonym for "released" AARON• TALK 00:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I've never heard or read it used like that. You are likely to confuse readers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it is another word for it. Lol. Better than saying "released" twice in the same sentence. AARON• TALK 00:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I did the change myself. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    The clause is not really that much shorter than what it was. AARON• TALK 00:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you serious? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm talking about prior to that change I made. AARON• TALK 00:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Once again... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:45, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I don't think it's that much shorter. Anyways. AARON• TALK 00:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Adele - Live 2009 (4) cropped.jpg - Your source parameter and author parameter show different file names. One's a redlink
    Not sure what I'm mean't to change to? AARON• TALK
    Fixed. — Oz (talk) 21:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other images look peachy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support After taking a deep look, it is worth the little broze star. Good job, Calvin. Congrats. — ΛΧΣ21™ 01:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks :-) AARON• TALK 10:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Made a slight copyedit to the article before commenting, everything is now fine. Till 06:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks :-) AARON• TALK 10:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I question the importance of "Indicates song written solely by Adele", but other than that it's a well-written and referenced list. I must say, that the note "DO NOT REMOVE... THE DAGGER IS TO HELP COLOURBLIND PEOPLE, OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY DISTINGUISHING COLOUR." should probably be rewritten, as it comes off a bit out putting, in my opinion. Something like "Do not remove the dagger; this is a requirement per Wikipedia's guidelines on colour." would work much better. Statυs (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks :-) I think it's important to note the songs which singer's solely wrote. I included those warning notes only on Adele list because of difficulties I was having with a user who kept removing them. Lol. I have changed it though. The capitals were only for effect at the time! AARON• TALK 18:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    No problem! Yeah, I know that type of situation all too well. I disagree, but it's no reason not to support the list. Great work! Statυs (talk) 01:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Status's suggestion – I'm not sure that it's entirely relevant to highlight which songs were written just by Adele, as the Writers column of the table already makes this clear. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Per the comment above. Good job! — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks :-) AARON• TALK 18:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 03:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Comma needs to be removed after Matinee. Would have been nice if people had read that closer before running to support.
    Wikipedian Penguin said to add one. AARON• TALK 12:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Well Wikipedian Penguin got it wrong. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Removed. AARON• TALK 18:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I should have read that carefully; I did not notice the "released in 2007" had been changed to "(2007)". Sorry about that. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the List of songs section heading, the first two words aren't really needed since it's obvious that this is a list. Not sure they're necessary in the table caption either.
    That was added by a reviewer. AARON• TALK 12:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Suggest you remove them. No need for the superfluity. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Removed. AARON• TALK 18:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two of the photo captions need periods at the end.
    I've always been told not to, and I think someone said above not to, but okay. AARON• TALK 12:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Complete sentences, e.g. "Dave was nominated for a Grammy." needs a full stop, while "Grammy-nominated Dave" doesn't (it's not a complete sentence. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Already said I have added them. AARON• TALK 18:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is note 2 covered by the source for that song? It strikes me as something that could use a cite. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Look on the track listing for the album on the album article. AARON• TALK 12:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, all notes should be referenced. And since you've been asked, you should do that per WP:V. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    In the note itself? AARON• TALK 18:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Makes no sense. AARON• TALK 17:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, in the notes. If you want an example, take a look at Ricardo Arjona discography#Notes. — ΛΧΣ21™ 00:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Any progress here? I have to admit that I'm upset that nobody caught these issues earlier. It makes me question how thoroughly the first eight supporters actually looked at the list, and how much they were influenced by the message the nominator left on FLC talk. It just doesn't look good, no matter the (positive, I'm sure) intentions of everyone involved. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I've already said it makes no sense to me and I don't understand how do it. AARON• TALK 00:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    You need to. The issue is that you used <ref></ref> to add the notes, and then this renders impossible the addition of a ref inside a ref. I'd recommend you to change the format to {{sfn}}, or to {{ref label}}/{{note label}}. This way, you can add the citation. How come it does not make sense to you? The note says: ""Fool That I Am" was a B-side to "Hometown Glory" and was not included on any version of 19's track listing." How do we knoe this is true? Cite it with a liner notes, or something like that and it's done. — ΛΧΣ21™ 06:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Because I didn't know that format rendered it impossible, no one said. Problem with FLC/FAC is that people say things and assume you know how to fix something, if you don't and you ask, then you're accused of not being cooperative. AARON• TALK 11:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    If you get confused over how to format something, the best thing you can do is to find an article that has the requested item and see how it is formatted there. That's how I learned to edit on Wikipedia. If you can't find an appropriate model article, ask the reviewer on the review page where you can find an example of whatever is being asked for. In this case, Hahc happened to provide an example for you to look at, and I suggest using its formatting to fix the problem. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah and I looked at it, but I don't see how alphabetical letters equates to a reference? It's not clear at all. AARON• TALK 23:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    They don't equate to a reference. The alphabetical letters are the notes, and on each note, you add the text and the reference. Example: Inside the table, you have "A Better Life"[A], which is done by adding {{ref label|PMF|A|A}} besides the song name. Then, on the Notes section, you add this followed by the note: *{{note label|PMF|A|A}} This song was not included on any studio album, but released as a B-side.<ref>The reference goes here.</ref> And it's done. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll have to do this tomorrow, it's late and doing my head in. AARON• TALK 23:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Any progress yet? Giants2008 (Talk) 21:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I couldn't find the songs on iTunes, but they were recorded anyhow. AARON• TALK 00:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) If the songs can't be verified by a reliable source, then they shouldn't be included in the list. Aren't there album notes or something that you can use? Giants2008 (Talk) 21:34, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have used album notes for them. AARON• TALK 21:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Not much to read, but the prose are pretty thorough, the article is well sourced and very organized! Nicely done :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. AARON• TALK 12:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • One thing; ref 12 if I stand correctly the proper publisher is Guardian Media Group; only thing fault I see. Another great list Calvin congrats. AdabowtheSecond 19:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the Owner, the Publisher has an "and" in it. AARON• TALK 10:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Correct just checked the article on The Guardian. *The more you know*. Well then I Support. AdabowtheSecond 15:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Looks good, overall. Made some edits here; please revert if you don't like the changes.

  • Remove from the Contents all the links that don't go anywhere, i.e. A, G, J, K, Q, U, Y and Z.
    Removed. AARON• TALK 20:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove "her second studio album" in the Ryan Tedder caption, as that's already specified in the caption of the image above it.
    Removed. AARON• TALK 20:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might be worth considering removing the N/A template in the "Fool That I Am" row and replacing it with a link to "Hometown Glory", since that was the relase where the song was originally featured. Of course, that would mean renaming the "Album" column to "Original release" or something.
    I think it's fine as it is. There is a note for it anyway. AARON• TALK 20:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    True, but you could equally make that argument for, say, any album that isn't 19 or 21 – just stick the N/A template in the relevant box and then have a note at the bottom saying on which release the song was featured. The advantage of having all the information stored in the table is that it is then all in one place – a reader doesn't have to keep scrolling to the notes at the bottom to learn else. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs)

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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