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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 20:24, 29 December 2009 [1].

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Wasim Akram edit

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Ok, another cricket list off the factory line, but hopefully worthy of inclusion here. I think I've checked all dablinks, all external links, alt text, MOS, etc, etc. I'd love for some of cricketing reviewers to get dirty with the detail, and for some of our non-cricketing reviewers to say "what the heck does that mean?" if necessary. All the best, and, as ever, thanks in advance for your time. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment — "The following Test, in a player-of-the-match performance, he took ten wickets in the match ..." Match is repetitive; could tweak perhaps. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Why is his first name repeated throughout the lead? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Traditionally, (and unless corrected otherwise by more knowledgeable cricketing types), Pakistani names are given in full. Hence the repeat. Surname/first names aren't treated the same as a "western" player. If there's a consensus otherwise then I'd happily remove Wasim, but (as a westerner) I'm not sure. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have modified. Is that better? I checked a few RS's and it seems interchangeable in the way it works. So, I'm happy enough to go without the repeated first name. Does it suit? The Rambling Man (talk) 00:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Shouldn't the title be "list of five-wicket hauls in international cricket by Wasim Akram"? It just seems to flow better. Nev1 (talk) 21:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could well be. We've got a couple of recently-promoted FLs with similarly names to this. If there's a consensus to change the title of the list then fine and then we'll just change the others. Otherwise it seems to be simply a matter of taste. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was the one who first wrote a five wicket haul article, and I based the name on a number of "List of international cricket centuries by..." articles to keep the naming consistent. But if you guys think it would be better this way, I don't really see a problem with that. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 05:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment leaning towards Support

  • Curiously, the article doesn't mention that Akram was a fast bowler. This should perhaps be added before the BBC's descriptionof him. Something like, "A fast bowler who represented his country between 1984 to 2003, the BBC described Akram as "[o]ne of the greatest left-arm bowlers in the history of world cricket"
  • The only mention of Akram as captain is in the image caption. From his average, the extra responsibility in Tests didn't seem to affect him, but he did take only 3 five-fers as captain, compared to 22 when not captain [2]. It might be a tidbit worth including, although perhaps just as a statement of fact if no other sources mention it might be synthesis. As ODI captain the rate of five-fers seems about equal when captain as when he wasn't [3].
  • If the captaincy's impact on his bowling is worth mentioning, how about overseas vs home performances?
  • How does Akram rank in World Cup five-fers?

Just a few of comments, but the first is easily sorted and the second might not even be worth mentioning. Nev1 (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your interest and comments. Sorted the first one, i like the stats about cap vs non-cap but as you pointed out, i do wonder how much this could be construed as my own (or your...) OR. I could state it as a fact I suppose, but I'm not sure. As for WC five-fers, back in the day when Wasim played and the whole tournament was done in a couple of dozen matches doesn't really compare fairly with modern day WC cricket where we have about 30 qualifying matches before the Super Six (or Eight or Ten.... whichever it'll be this/next time) so I'm not convinced a comparison is valid there either. I could buy into a couple of extra lines about historically significant bowling appearances, but there's always (in my mind) a problem with comparing apples with pears in these cricketing lists. Just my opinion, mind you! The Rambling Man (talk) 23:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's fair enough, I suppose there's not much can be done given the change in WC format and the problem with possible synth. I've switched to support. Nev1 (talk) 23:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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