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The list was promoted by Giants2008 20:05, 4 April 2012 [1].

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Waqar Younis edit

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Nominator(s): Zia Khan (talk) 15:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe the list meets the FL criteria. It is based upon existing FL List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Wasim Akram... Zia Khan (talk) 15:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Lemonade51 (talk) 13:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • There is a dablink.
  • Two dead links need fixing.
  • Image needs alternative text. For more information, see here.
  • WP:LEAD is very short. Why is the second paragraph one sentence, yet the third is two lines? → WP:WEIGHT
  • You have introduced 'Waqar Younis' in the opening sentence so you can just use his last name thereafter. – Lemonade51 (talk) 19:33, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Zia (Khan) 07:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Tables need row and col scopes (if appropriate) per MOS:DTT.
  • "fewer than 40 bowlers have taken more than 15 five-wicket hauls at international level in their cricketing careers.[4][5]" I haven't added up the ODI and Test fifers for each cricketer, are you sure that your "fewer than 40" is accurate? Perhaps it would be better (and easier to reference) if you stuck with delineating records in Test cricket from ODI cricket.
  • "he took 4 wickets " -> four.
  • "As of December 2009" it's now February 2012, can this be updated and checked? He looks way down in Tests and top in ODIs... Again, perhaps instead of merging Tests and ODIs, treat them separately so they can be individually verified.
  • No reason for bold in the wickets column.
  • When sorting by wickets, and there's a tie on both wickets and runs conceded, sort by lowest number of overs as best result (e.g. the two 6/78 innings)...
  • Previously been some debate over why not use full names every time or same forename abbreviation style every time. Would suggest consistency.
  • "Match drawn" just "drawn" is fine, you don't have "match won" or "match lost".
  • References need en-dashes and not spaced hyphens in the titles.
  • Cricinfo needs publisher information.
  • External links call it ESPN Cricinfo, be consistent.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:22, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you. Updated and fixed, I think there is no need to use row and col scopes (see FLs List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Wasim Akram, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Muttiah Muralitharan and List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Glenn McGrath). I used his last name because I've already introduced him in the opening sentence.Zia Khan (talk) 07:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Things have changed since those FLs, row and col scopes are definitely now required. The "surname" issue wasn't to do with Younis, but the way you formatted the names of the batsmen, mostly AB Smith but a few are Andy Smith (these are made up examples) - this should be consistent. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Zia Khan (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check Test 18, runs/econ need to be swapped.
  • When ordering by wickets, for equal wickets the best should sort with the fewest runs and the worst should sort with the most runs.
  • Ian Botham doens't need a Sir.
  • Would expect column widths to be the same for each table.
  • Playing Sri Lanka in Kenya, isn't that a neutral ground as well?
  • You have three links to Cricinfo in the references, either link all, just the first, or none.
  • Still an issue with references calling it Cricinfo and external links calling it ESPNCricinfo.

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image review: All used images appear to be free and are properly tagged as such. Goodraise 13:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    This a free image and tagged as well. Zia Khan (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "A fast bowler who represented his country between 1989 and 2003, Younis is one of the greatest right-arm bowlers in the history of world cricket." An extraordinary claim like this needs at least one source, and probably more (especially without some attribution as to who has said this).
  • Add "the" to "where he took four wickets in first innings."
  • Capitalize "test" in the next sentence?
  • "He has gone on to take ten or more wickets per match on five occasions." Since he's retired, try replacing "has gone on" with "went on" to reflect past tense.
  • Remove period after Sharjah at the start of the third paragraph.
  • "he is thirteenth overall in all-time Test five-wicket haul takers". "in" → "among"?
  • In the ODI table, the 10th entry has a blank wickets column. What's the reason for that?
  • In the economy column, the 5 for entry 10 isn't sorting in the proper order. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. ZiaKhan 00:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias
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  • Mirroring Giants2008's first comment, I would go further: "A fast bowler who represented his country between 1989 and 2003, Younis is one of the greatest right-arm bowlers in the history of world cricket." Is such a strong claim that it think some inline attribution is required, and probably a slight weakening such as: "Younis is generally considered one of the greatest right-arm bowlers to have played cricket."
  • I'm curious why you've chosen to use "Younis" thoughout the article, rather than "Waqar", which is more common in journalistic pieces written about him?
  • "He has went on to take.." – Remove the word "has".
  • "Making his One Day International (ODI) debut in October 1989, against West Indies in Sharjah." – This sentence doesn't make any sense: it appears to have a dangling modifier, and is in the wrong tense entirely. I can appreciate that you are probably trying to avoid repitition from the first paragraph, but this isn't an alternative!
  • In the Test paragraph, all the grounds and locations are linked: in the second paragraph, the "Sharjah" isn't linked at all, let alone mention of it being in the UAE! Also, on the first usage, there is no definite article ("in Sharjah") while on the second usage there is: ("at the Sharjah"). Try to be consistent in whether you apply it or not.
  • "He made a hat-trick.." – possibly change to "He achieved a hat-trick.."
  • Per MOS:NUM, single digit numbers should be written as words when possible.
  • "As of February 2012, he is thirteenth overall among all-time Test five-wicket haul takers, and first in the ODI list." – perhaps change the last bit of this to ".., and top of the equivalent ODI list."
  • Why have you included a dagger for wicket-keepers in the Batsmen column? There is nothing to specify whether the play was a bowler or a specialist batsman, I can't see what this adds?
  • Also, all of the symbols you use should be Image insertion templates per WP:NOSYMBOLS. This certainly applies to the "spades" symbol, and to the dagger to if you keep it.
  • In your table, Headingley links to the area of Leeds, it should link to Headingley Stadium; check for any other similar occurences.
  • When the table sorts by wickets, I would expect it to have a secondary sort by runs conceded, so that his best performances show above his not so good ones. (eg. 6/34 would be above 6/78) List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Ian Botham is an example of this in action.
  • Make the batsmen column unsortable: it offers nothing at all being able to sort by that. Harrias talk 21:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. Yes, "Waqar" is more common, especially in Asia. ZiaKhan 00:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • You can link to Indian Cricket team in the second para
  • New Zealand should be link on first usage, which is in the second sentence of the second para
  • Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka cricket teams can be linked as well

NapHit (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments would he have had an opportunity to play in T20I? I doubt it but worth the question since a fifer is entirely possible in that format and we don't have it covered/mentioned at all here. "He took 3 consecutive" should be 3->three. Sorting by wickets which are the same (e.g. all five wicket matches, all six wicket matches etc) I'd expect to see in then sort by the fewest/most runs conceded. Don't think Ian Botham was Sir Ian Botham when he was part of a fifer in 1992. Finally, consistency with linking (or not) ESPNCricinfo in the refs is needed. I see it linked in 3 and 9 and 12 but not elsewhere. Also, the SHOUTING in ref 5 needs to be addressed, and the consistency of the Cricinfo publisher needs work in ref 41, along with the extra "test" in ref 23. Otherwise, I'd support. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • He had not played in T20I. I have already sorted according to your previous comment (When ordering by wickets, for equal wickets the best should sort with the fewest runs and the worst should sort with the most runs). Also, fixed the rest! Thanks. ZiaKhan 08:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool, just sort out the sorting of Test #8 and I'm all good. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Done.ZiaKhan 21:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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