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List of chief commissioners of the Victoria Police edit

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Nominator(s): ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because there are very limited number of Featured Articles that are members of WP:WikiProject Australian law and WP:WikiProject Australian crime and zero Featured Lists in either WikiProjects. It was also a fun/ tedious process verifying all the dates in the article with reliable sources and now that all the information is verified and a number of style and prose improvements have been made via a peer review, I am pleased to be able to nominate this article as a featured list. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Steelkamp edit

  • File:Wa-police-commissioner.png seems to be for WA Police, not Victoria Police.
  • The Minister for Police should have a lowercase M due to MOS:JOBTITLES
  • I think linking Victoria Police under the words "police officer" might be contrary to MOS:EASTEREGG. Victoria Police should instead be linked where it is mentioned in the following sentence, and then the other link to Victoria Police in the following paragraph can be removed.
  • "Under the Victoria Police Act 2013, chief commissioner..." should be changed to "Under the Victoria Police Act 2013, the chief commissioner..."
  • Should "relevant government ministers" be linked to Executive Council of Victoria?
  • Should "government agencies" be linked to List of Victorian government agencies?
  • "The chief commissioner can be appointed for a maximum term of five years; they may be reappointed after their five year term expires." Is this saying that the term could be less than five years if the premier so chooses?

That's my review of the lead so far. My review of the table and references will come later. Steelkamp (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • The columns for portrait, number and notes should not be sortable.
  • Could Simon Overland's image be cropped?
  • Same potentially for Christine Nixon.
  • I don't think "Incumbent" should be in bold or italics.
  • "RETIREMENT OF MR. H. M. CHOMLEY". Citation titles with all capital letters like this should be converted to title case, as per MOS:ALLCAPS.
  • The myweb.westnet.com.au reference is dead and also not reliable as its user generated.
  • Reference 2, Victoria Police Act 2013, section 17., should be a full reference as its above reference 3.
  • The Trove references could have via=National Library of Australia.

These are all my comments for now. Steelkamp (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Steelkamp: Thank you for your suggestions–
  • File:Wa-police-commissioner.png seems to be for WA Police, not Victoria Police. - The two police forces have the same insignias (see the image in this new article). I am not sure of the best way to go about verifying that in the article, or should the insignia be removed all together?
  • "The chief commissioner can be appointed for a maximum term of five years; they may be reappointed after their five year term expires." Is this saying that the term could be less than five years if the premier so chooses? - The source states that the "Chief Commissioner holds office for... (a) period, not exceeding 5 years... (and) is eligible to be reappointed" so in theory, that is the case, in practice though, the only chief commissioner to serve a term under the 'Victoria Police Act 2013' served 4 years and 361 days. Let me know if you think further clarification is needed in the lede.
  • I have addressed all the other issues in the lede and table that you raised in this edit.
––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 10:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The insignia image should be sourced somehow. I'm also confused how the author of the image can be a Wikipedia editor and not the WA/Victoria Police, who surely are the ones who created the image.
Steelkamp (talk) 02:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some other things:

  • Premier of Victoria should be lowercased as per MOS:JOBTITLES.
  • "The longest-serving chief commissioner was Frederick Standish, who served from 3 September 1858 to 1 October 1880 for a total term of 22 years, and 28 days. The shortest-serving chief commissioner was the inaugural holder of the office, Sir William Mitchell, who served from 3 January 1853 to 24 January 1854 for a total term of 1 year, and 21 days in office." There should be a source for this.

Steelkamp (talk) 02:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Steelkamp: Thank you for your suggestions. I have removed the insignia as I also have doubts about its licensing. I fixed the case of Premier of Victoria to be lowercase and I also added references to the sentences you mentioned. (the edit). ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Steelkamp (talk) 03:27, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The lead seems a tiny bit "thin" as it stands. Could expand it by mentioning the longest-serving and shortest-serving office holders, the fact that Nixon was (as far as I can see) the first and only female office-holder to date, and any other interesting snippets.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:57, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • My only other comment is that "The 1853 Police Regulation Act established the role of chief commissioner which and held first by" seems to have either some words missing or some stray words that shouldn't be there -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I don't think we need the template at the bottom of this particular article, as the links in it just duplicate the table -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude: I have expanded the lede, fixed the syntax of that sentence, and removed the navbar from the bottom (this edit). Thank you for your suggestions! ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 22:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  • I had reviewed this at the peer review and now am more than happy to support this for FL. In my view, it meets the criteria. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review – Reference reliability looks okay throughout the citation list. One formatting issue I spotted needs fixing: reference 40 needs a publisher (Parliament of Victoria?). Giants2008 (Talk) 22:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Giants2008: For reference 40, I have added 'Community Advocacy Alliance' as the publisher, and have also added "via=[[Parliament of Victoria]]". Thank you for your source review. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 19:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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