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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 01:29, 24 February 2010 [1].

List of Texas Tech Red Raiders head football coaches edit

Nominator(s): NThomas (talk) 01:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because as I believe it meets all the FLC. It is based on the existing collegiate head coach FLs. NThomas (talk) 01:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from NMajdan
Comments
  • 9th–year I don't think an en-dash is needed here, a regular hyphen should work (I could be wrong on this).
  • References should be after the period.
  • I should know better then that... Thanks. NThomas (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Southwest Conference (SWC) No reason to include the abbreviation if it is not used elsewhere in the article.
  • You use both postseason and post-season; be consistent.
  • It should be all one word. Fixed. NThomas (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the first use of Matadors is italicized, so should the first use of Red Raiders. Or neither should be.
  • One week later, Tommy Tuberville was hired on January 9, 2010. You can probably drop the "One week later" and just say "The current head coach, Tommy Tuberville, was hird on January 9, 2010."
  • I don't think it is necessary anymore to specify formerly known as Division I-A. If we do that, might as well also say "formerly known as Division I-A, Division I, and University Division".
  • Removed. I've been adding that for almost 3 years, kind of a habit. I think after 4 seasons, I guess it's commonly known now. NThomas (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found evidence in the one general reference verifying the list of Leach's awards, but I could not find any mention of Dykes's award. Can you clarify the source for this?
  • Fixed. I forgot to add that citation. NThomas (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thus, any coach who has two or more separate terms as head coach is counted only once. Not needed unless there actually has been a coach with two separate terms.
  • Your lead still says 15 head coaches even though your list only has 13 (plus Tuberville). Change to 14. I'm sure this was just an oversight after switching McNeil to an interim.
  • Second paragraph, first sentence needs a reference (regarding the Matadors/Spanish Renaissance connection). Couldn't find it in the general reference.
  • No need to link 1937, 1996 and 2008.
  • the nickname the team has today. Reword this. This makes me feel a disconnect between the renaming in 1937 and today and not the fact that the nickname has been Red Raiders ever since.
  • Wikilink bowl game.
  • ninth-year head coach Did you mean nine-year?
  • No, I ment in this ninth season as head coach. Reworked the sentence to flow better. I think it makes sense now.
  • Double check your math on some of the entries or consider using {{winperc}}. On Steve Sloan, 15 wins and 8 losses is .652, not .571 and on Spike Dykes, 57 wins, 40 losses and a tie is .587, not .573.
  • Thanks. Checked them all.
  • The Dykes one did not change. Are you sure your percentage is correct? I hope not, otherwise my {{winperc}} template is broken.—NMajdan•talk
  • I forgot to save my edit. Did that one separate from the rest. It's done now. Dykes changed and a few others too from copy editing mistakes. NThomas (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you're going to include division championships, shouldn't you also mention the fact that there was a three-way tie in 2008?
  • In the lead, I added co- to the: ...to the program's first division co-championship in 2008. sentence. The division co-championship for this page would be easy, its the only one. If we're going to add footnotes about which years were shared titles, including national (Nebraska), conference (almost all the teams), and division, there's going to be some long entries or a slew of footnotes. I'd say leave it go as it is. NThomas (talk) 04:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • We've also discussed this in another FLC, but I am against including division championships but the inclusion wouldn't prevent my eventual support. Editor's choice on this one.
  • I'm gonna keep it on this one. If Tech When Tech wins a few more division titles, it'll fill out better. NThomas (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010
  • I am not a big fan of small paragraphs. A paragraph should have at least three sentences (preferably four). The first paragraph in your lead is one sentence and the second paragraph has around 15 sentences. Can you balance these out a bit more, or at least expand the first?
  • I added a sentence from the second paragraph but the first is all general information while the second is chronological history. Where would you split the second paragraph to balance it out?
  • What about splitting the 2nd paragraph into two paragraphs? They may at least balanace them off a little to make the 1st seem a little less disproportionate.—NMajdan•talk 18:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was asking where you would split the second paragraph. I went ahead and separated it from the Border Conference years to admission to the SWC, historically a turning point for TTU. NThomas (talk) 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It does look better. However, I won't strike this one to allow other reviewers to comment if they feel like it.—NMajdan•talk
  • I am against the inclusion of interim head coaches as they are not considered official head coaches in the long run and are rarely included in statistics from schools and the NCAA.
  • When Tuberville was announced, he was named the 14th head coach, so I changed the list to show McNeil is not the 14th head coach. Removing him completely seems like too much, I'd rather see McNeil stay on the list, as he was the head coach, but keeping the number scheme continue with Tuberville. I also included not including interim head coaches. Interim head coaches are represented with "Int". about interium head coaches in the column's note. The other solution would be to create a separate list in a subsection with the interims and their records. The same problem will arise with Gary Darnell on the Texas A&M football list as both interim head coaches only coached the bowl game. So lets iron this out here for consistency. NThomas (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm curious on the opinions of other editors. This may just boil down to editor's choice again.—NMajdan•talk 18:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speaking as an editor (not as director), I prefer NThomas' method, but I value consistency in these head coach lists more, so hopefully you two can decide on a happy medium. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looking at the NFL FLs, theres no consistency at all. Example: List of New Orleans Saints head coaches shows Wade Phillips as the ninth HC (even though his title was interim HC) and Sean Payton as 14th HC. On the Saints' website, it also list Payton as the 14th HC here. However, on the List of St. Louis Rams head coaches, Steve Spagnuolo is listed as the 26th HC because 2 interim HCs and a coach with two nonconsecutive terms, boost up the numbers. Spagnuolo's NFL.com bio lists him as the 23rd HC here. So there's nothing existing to help guide us.

Hope this helps!—NMajdan•talk 20:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I don't think I can see P% anywhere in the table.
  • Good catch! Right under my nose... Thanks. NThomas (talk) 02:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the awards are so notable, they should, at least, be redlinked.
  • The Big 12 Coach of the Year is now wikilinked and so is the Woody Hayes Award. The 3rd was removed. NThomas (talk) 02:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "The team has had 14 head coaches since the football program began play during the 1925 season." Little redundancy in the sentence. To fix, try "The program has had 14 head coaches since it began play during the 1925 season."
  • Comma after Tommy Tuberville in last sentence of lead.
  • In that sentence, delink the date and year.
  • Note 2: "Texas Tech was not in an athletic conference from the 1925 through 1931 and 1957 through 1959." Either one missing word or one too many.
  • Remove all caps from reference 5.

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Closing note I have archived this nomination as unsuccessful, as more than a month has passed since this FLC was submitted, there is no consensus to promote and the length of FLC has put off reviewers. Unfortunately, I have had to fail several old, stale FLCs because of this. Feel free to re-submit this FLC in 5 or 6 days after ensuring that the previous issues have been resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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