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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 14:39, 21 July 2011 [1].

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Nominator(s): Patriarca12 (talk) 16:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the FL criteria as I modeled it after a similar list on the same topic (List of Alabama Crimson Tide head football coaches). Any comments are greatly appreciated to perfect this. Thanks for the consideration! Patriarca12 (talk) 16:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from — Legolas (talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments by Legolas2186
  • Why are Division I and Football Bowl Subdivision separately linked to the same article?
Good call. Removed one of the links.
  • coach in compiling a record of twelve --> coach while compiling a record of twelve
Fixed
  • in seasons coached and games won --> in total number of seasons coached and games won.
Fixed
  • Is it necessary to bold the names in the table? We know that the list pertains to the coaches. You can probably included "plainrowheaders" in the table declaration and scope="row" in the rows
Done
  • Dates within the same century should be crippled. For eg: 1902–1903 --> 1902–03.
I do not necessarily have an issue with changing this. However, many of the other college football coaches lists include the full, not abbreviated years. If we do decide to change it here, I would like some sort of consensus for how the others should be formatted for consistency purposes.
That seems reasonable.
  • In the key box it says "elected" for the Hall of Fame. Inducted is always a better word.
Done
  • The Football Guide book, does it have any isbn, issn etc?
This is the annual media guide published and distributed by the UT athletic department. I cannot find an isbn or the like for it though.
Anything else? Like volume, issue date etc? — Legolas (talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Added the Eds per the guide.
  • REf 5, online source should not be italicized like 2010 NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision Records.
Not quite sure how to format this. I thought it was correct in that it is an on-line version of the official record book, not just an on-line PDF.
If that is the case, make 2010 NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision Records as the main title of the url, not the pdf one because that's misleading. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh. I think I have this straightened out now.
  • Alt needs to be a little more explanatory I feel.
More detail added
Expand on the imagery present behind him. Its just not a field, you can clearly see the photographers too with their camera.
Done.
  • Do you need to have two separate level headers for General and Specific headers? They are practically one-inch apart. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reformatted.

These are some issues I saw. Overall great work. — Legolas (talk2me) 09:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments! I will address them early next week when I get home from vacation. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the comments. Hopefully I have them addressed, but please feel free to let me know if something else needs to be fixed. Patriarca12 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If I may step in on the next-to-last comment up there, I believe reference 5 may be part of a larger book. Italicizing the book title is correct if that's the case. Not sure what to do about the current title, though. Maybe just give the book title? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you noted. I think it should any one of them. Either choose the pdf link, or choose the book with proper citation. — Legolas (talk2me) 15:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I'm fine with this one. Nice work Patriarca. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – Scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anything to add to the above comments...
  • In the last sentence of the lead, I would remove the comma after Dickey's name. This is the only place in the lead where a serial comma is used in a list-like sentence; the change would make this consistent with the rest of the lead. Punctuation before a ref would be nice, but is no deal-breaker.
Fixed
  • Key: Second word of National Championships should be decapitalized as a non-proper noun. The lead doesn't capitalize it.
Fixed
  • Note 4: Put an en dash in "win-loss percentage", just like if an actual figure was given.
Fixed
  • Minor, but the state in the general reference from the school ("TN") should be spelled out.
Fixed
  • In reference 5, unless "The" is listed before National Collegiate Athletic Association as the publisher of the reference, remove it. Also, I don't think the abbreviations are needed here and in ref 15, since there are no other cites to items from those publishers.
Fixed Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NThomas (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - In addition to the concerns above:
  • Johnny Majors last season was in 1992, when the SEC debuted divisions. Major's field for division championships should have "0" instead of the em dash.
Done
  • Commas are needed between separate tenures
Done
  • Coaches prior to 1916 should have em dashes for post-season stats, as the first bowl game, the Rose Bowl, wasn't played "openly" until then.
Done
  • Derek Dooley's term should read "2010–present" not simply 2010.
Done
Footnotes added
  • The SIAA did not award conference championships. From 1896–1920, coaches were not able to compete for a conference title so em dashes are need till then.
Done
  • The Southern Conference does not recognize conference champions until 1933. Again, coaches during up to 1933 were not able to compete for a conference title so em dashes are needed during that time.
Done
  • Unlike modern athletic conferences, the SIAA did not feature a separate conference schedule. The SIAA was more or less held a similar role to the present day NCAA regulating competition. Win, loss, tie, and percentage records need em dashes during SIAA seasons.
I do understand this concern. However, UT does make note of their SIAA victories in their media guide as conference victories. Since it is listed in their official sources, I feel they should be included in this article. Ultimately, I will agree to any sort of consensus on the issue though.
I was looking at the "All-Time Coaching Records" on page 162 of the media guide you listed as a general reference. Where did you find conference records for SIAA and Southern Conference games? NThomas (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Don't really know what I was thinking here. Guess I still had the LSU list I recently created still in mind which does list SIAA records in their media guide. For this I went through the individual season records in the guide from 1899–1922 in calculating SIAA records. If this is not appropriate for FL status, I do not have an issue with removing the information. Patriarca12 (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem with it. Just curious where you got it. Sorry for the late reply. NThomas (talk) 03:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work! NThomas (talk) 06:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support As far as I can tell, this meets all FL criteria. NThomas (talk) 03:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All comments have now been addressed. Please feel free to post any more or ask for clarity for any others you may have. Again, thank you all for taking the time to look at this. It is appreciated! Patriarca12 (talk) 19:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "since it began play" I do find this a touch colloquial. Presumably the first head coach was around before they began play, i.e. to coach them for their first game. Perhaps "since its formation"?
Updated
  • Note 2 says SEC East, this isn't noted elsewhere...
Changed note to reflect East Division as indicated in the leade.
  • General ref has the Football Guide in italics, the references has the title in non-italics.
Italicized

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments addressed. Thanks for taking the time to look at this! Patriarca12 (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Comments from KV5
  • So in perusing the list, I note that there is no head coach in 1943? Why is this? Certainly this gap is worth noting in the lead?
I made a mention of this in a note at the top of the Term column. I think this does suffice, but am agreeable to adding it to the leade if others agree to placing it there rather than a note.
  • "James DePree has the lowest winning percentage of those who have coached more than one game, with .306." - does it have to be clarified? All coaches have led the team for more than one game.
Good call, removed.
  • "Of the 22 different head coaches"
Removed

I re-formatted the dates in the article out of ISO format, so that's probably it for me! — KV5 • Talk • 23:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping with some of the formatting and commenting on this. It is appreciated! Patriarca12 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Have KV5 and Legolas been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm fine. — KV5 • Talk • 00:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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