Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Philadelphia Phillies owners and executives/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 14:14, 29 January 2012 [1].

List of Philadelphia Phillies owners and executives edit

Featured list candidates/List of Philadelphia Phillies owners and executives/archive1

Nominator(s): — KV5 • Talk • 23:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the roster lists are over. I improved this during a lazy Saturday when I was reading my Phillies encyclopedia and I think it's pretty close to FL standards. Comments to be expediently addressed. Cheers. — KV5 • Talk • 23:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from User:Muboshgu 20:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Comments –

General comment I'm similarly working on the sister list for my team of preference, List of New York Yankees owners and executives, and I've come upon a few stumbling blocks that would probably be relevant to discuss here, so that everyone's on the same page. It seems that the nature of Phillies' presidents is a bit different than for the Yankees, as the Yankees have always had someone known as an owner. On the Yankees page, we have listed all notable former executives in addition to current executives (someone else grouped them the way they are currently grouped, and I was thinking about merging it all into one bigger table since lists of farming directors etc. are incomplete). Do you think past members of the Phillies front office, people who were not presidents or GMs, should be included? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As these folks are not inherently notable, my opinion would be no. That is why I included them under the "See also" umbrella. If that at some point becomes too cumbersome (like, if there are 15, 20, 30!?), then an "other executives" table would certainly suffice. — KV5 • Talk • 01:20, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm satisfied with that explanation. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Everything in the toolbox checks out. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The "other executives" need some referencing. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- See also links do not require references, but reference 3 does verify that all worked for the team. — KV5 • Talk • 22:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Muboshgu (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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General managers: Don't think Bob Carpenter, Jr. needs another link in the intro text. There's already one in the previous section's intro, and ones in the tables.
- Done — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything out there on whether the GM position was specifically introduced to the Phillies before the 1944 season? That's a sizable gap in the team's timeline that could use some explanation.
- All information that I have says no. Specifically, Pennock was named the team's first GM; they did not have any before him. — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, was there a GM in 1949?
- All of my sources say no on this point as well. — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Footnote b says Paul Owens resigned in 1984, but the tenure column in the table gives the end of his GM position as 1983. Which is it?
- '83. I get my stuff mixed up because he was still the manager in 1984 but not GM. — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Publisher of ref 1 (Baseball America) should be italicized since it's a printed publication.
- Done — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Publisher of ref 2 (ESPN) shouldn't be italicized since it's not.
- Done — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Page range in ref 10 should be presented as p. instead of pp., as a single-page citation. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:26, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Done — KV5 • Talk • 12:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:47, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

What's a "farm system"?
"The longest-tenured general manager is Paul Owens, with 11 years of service to the team as the general manager" bit repetitive, can you rephrase?
No need to re-abbreviate General manager in the General managers section.

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- All done. — KV5 • Talk • 11:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

WP:BOLDFACE suggests that bold should only be used in certain circumstances, e.g. captions table headers, any reason why the names are in bold? other than that the list looks in good shape NapHit (talk) 12:47, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm guessing that's as a result of using row and col scopes without the plainrowheaders option. MOS defeating itself? Ouch. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - It doesn't defeat itself. These are "table headers" and should thus be bold if "plainrowheaders" is not used. I chose not to use it in this case. — KV5 • Talk • 22:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, what I meant was we're not supposed to use bold links (per MOS) but we are supposed to use bold headers in tables (per MOS) which results in bold links. Thus MOS is in conflict with itself. Just saying. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:48, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Ah, missed that part. Understood. — KV5 • Talk • 12:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Hmm, a pickle indeed, I would prefer that the links were not bold, but I'm not going to cause a fuss over this, so I'll support, as the rest of the list is fine. NapHit (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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