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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 20:37, 21 April 2009 [1].

List of Olympic medalists in basketball edit

Nominator(s): -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith

I'm sure there is going to be more comments on this nomination than on my others... -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 01:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • FIBA doesn't have a list of winners?
    • Isn't there an image you can include?
  • The only one I could find was the one on the right, and I don't think that will look good on the lead. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 01:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not that bad, I think. But you could use the one Lebron played against Yao during the Olympics.—Chris! ct 02:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You've only made two edits to the page, so that technically doesn't qualify you as a top contributor.
  • I wrote the whole prose, and got the references, so I think I should be one. I could add Gh as a co-nominator if you want me to. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 01:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd like to see a "Athlete medal leaders" list added, similar to one of all of the other medalist FLs have? There is a list here and since there are length concerns, just include the top 7 (all with 4 or more medals or 3 or more golds).

-- Scorpion0422 01:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Should this be merged with Basketball at the Summer Olympics? Just wondering b/c of the new criteria.—Chris! ct 01:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nah, the other page is just short because nobody has bothered to expand it. Also, that page just has a quick list of winning nations whereas this one has all individuals. -- Scorpion0422 01:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok, cool. Also I will try to review this when I have time.—Chris! ct 01:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
General
  • No images that can possibly be helpful in the tables section?
  • I just don't think both the images here can be provided as a lead image. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 03:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would take Chris' suggestion upstairs^.--Truco 15:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A caption would help to explain what that image represents.--Truco 15:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • A men's basketball tournament has been held every Summer Olympics (starting in 1936); a basketball tournament was also held at the 1904 Summer Olympics as a demonstration sport. -- (1)Add at before Summer Olympics (2)I don't see the necessity of the parenthesis
  • After a protest of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, the United States boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics.[1] The Soviet Union then led the 1984 Summer Olympics boycott after citing security concerns in the United States.[2] In 1992, the National Basketball Association (NBA) allowed its players to participate after the International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided to allow professional athletes to compete in the Olympics. -- IDK but these don't really tie in together, how do the first to affect this list or basketball at the Olympics? Also, you need to transition into the final sentence (given here) in order for it to flow better
  • I have no idea what you are talking about. I won't revert any of your copy-editing if you do kindly copy-edit this article. I did though add a sentence to explain more about the boycotts. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 03:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Never mind, it reads better with the new sentence you added.--Truco 15:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Teresa Edwards is the all-time leader for the most Olympic medals in basketball with four gold, and one bronze. -- Remove the comma
  • Five Americans have won three gold—Edwards, Leslie, Sheryl Swoopes, Dawn Staley, and Katie Smith—and nineteen not including the previous mentioned have also won three medals. -- (1)How about ordering the names alpha. order? (2)comma before not and after mentioned
Table
  • It would be best to use a main bullet for the country and sub bullets for the individuals.
  • I rather not, just for consistency with other Olympic medalists lists. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 03:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's fine.--Truco 15:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • Inconsistency with the linking of the publishers.

--Truco 02:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The prose meets WP:FL?; however, I still see some issues as noted by Scorpion below about the alphabetizing. Hopefully thats all the table formatting issues.--Truco 02:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang
  • Comment
  • Prose and main table look fine
  • The Athlete medal leaders table should be sortable
  • In the ref: History -> History Channel (didn't know they changed the name, so never mind); New York Times -> The New York Times

—Chris! ct 04:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done all. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 06:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • "Lisa Leslie is the all-time leader for the most consecutive gold medal wins in basketball with 4." (image caption), change to "Lisa Leslie has won the most consecutive gold medals in basketball, with four." This should have a reference too.
  • "Basketball is a sport that is contested"
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1984 Summer Olympics boycott after citing security concerns in the United States" - comma after boycott, remove after
  • "Both the boycotts have affected basketball at the Olympics" - remove have, comma after Olympics
  • Is there a ref somewhere for the IOC allowing pros to compete?
  • I can't find any for basketball. It would be great if you could help. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think KV5 meant like the whole Olympics, not just basketball. There is already a reference for NBA players to compete for the Olympics. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 02:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, that's exactly what I was looking for. It's actually the article I found when I went searching too. It mentions the IOC allowing professional athletes to compete in a variety of sports, and even mentions basketball specifically. You could also use this book.KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm been an idiot lately...Done. Also, the List of Olympic medalists, it said that the IOC allowed prossionals in 1987, not 1989...probably because ones Winter, and one is Summer. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 20:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "not including the previous mentioned" - previous→previously
  • "except in the 1980 Summer Olympics." - this "in" is redundant to the one before
  • I like the two images at the top of the review; I think it would help the article to have at least one of them included.
  • I really don't know what to write for the caption for the LeBron James one. I still stand by the fact that the first one just looks like an amateur photo (though taken by a professional o.O) -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggested caption: "Lebron James (USA, in white) attempts a shot against China's Yao Ming at the 2008 Olympics. The United States won the gold medal." KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I re-formatted the size of the lead image slightly to give it a little more definition. Still looks fine on 1024x768. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this helps. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support from KV5 (Talk • Phils) 21:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

  • "Both the boycotts affected basketball at the Olympics". Also, the Soviets and Americans being "dominant" needs a reference or some stats to back it up.
Done first. The stats are on the last paragraph. Do you want me to put some stats on where the sentence is?
  • Two Soviet Union links in the lead, and the American link could be moved to the first paragraph.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 00:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove "also" from the last sentence of the second paragraph.
I think really think so...but done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 00:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's edit bunching with the Lisa Leslie photo.
I know. I can't make the image any smaller, but I could add {{clear}} if you want me to. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 00:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If that helps, it would be good. Giants2008 (17-14) 02:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 02:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The New York Times reference should have the publisher in italics, since the Times is a printed publication.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 00:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (17-14) 00:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yet another comment: Every cell should have the winners listed in alphabetical order. There are several with seemingly random player orders. For example, all three columns in the men's 1972 row. -- Scorpion0422 02:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for notifying about that. I just really want to fix the whole table up (should have done that before nominating, I know. I was just excited o.O), but everything in my real life is just too much. I really do hope to do it around this weekend. Cheers, -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 03:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "A men's basketball tournament has been held at every Summer Olympics since 1936; a basketball tournament was also held at the 1904 Summer Olympics as a demonstration sport." Reorganize this sentence to follow chronological order: "A men's basketball tournament was first held at the 1904 Summer Olympics as a demonstration; it has been held at every Summer Olympics since 1936."
  • "Both boycotts affected basketball at the Olympics, as both had dominant basketball teams at the time." The given sources don't support this statement.
  • The stats on the last paragraph kind of proves that. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 20:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "basketball with four gold and"-->basketball, with four gold and
  • "The United States dominated both the men's and women's tournaments, winning a medal in every Olympiad except the 1980 Summer Olympics." Can we have a less POV phrase than "dominated", perhaps "have been successful in"?
  • As I suggested, "have been successful in". Dabomb87 (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Other teams with four or"-->Other teams to have won four or
  • "only other team to have won twelve medals in the men's and women's tournament, ten" "ten" and "twelve" should be numerals (10 and 12).
  • Paste importScript('User:Splarka/dabfinder.js'); into your monobook.js; and fix all the redirects. There are a lot. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done all.
  • You haven't fixed the redirects yet. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added the script, but I don't think it's working for me. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 21:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, that's strange. In your toolbox on the left side of the interface, there should be a tab that says "Find redirects". It's strange that it is not there. If it still doesn't work for you, I will fix some of them. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Heh...never knew it was in the toolbox...I'll fix them after I finished fixing their names. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 00:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Have you checked over every name and verified the entire list with the IOC database? -- Scorpion0422 13:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • O s**t. That's going to take a while...I'll definitely do this by April 16. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 22:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Scorpion, do the names have to be exact? For example, Tex Gibbons' actual name is John Haskell Gibbons, but which one do I choose to insert? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 22:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not entirely sure. With the hockey list, I usually went with their real name, rather than nicknames (ie. Harold Simpson rather than Bullet Joe Simpson). Just go with their most common name, as long as the link goes to the correct page, it should be fine. Speaking of which, there are a number of redirects. If you add User:Splarka/fetchredirects.js to your monobook, you can find them a lot easier (it should show up in the toolbox and it will highlight the redirects). -- Scorpion0422 15:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Seems as if the only thing left on my end is the redirects. If these are fixed, consider my position a support. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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