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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:10, 14 March 2009 [1].

List of Oh My Goddess! episodes edit

Nominator(s): NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c )
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This list is a former featured list that I split into three separate lists. One is now an FL, another is at FLC (which needs comments, by the way), and the final is in progress. Additionally, it has gone through a peer review. Thanks for your consideration. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 01:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Rambo's Revenge (talk · contribs)

Oppose

  • Refs 1, 2, 3, 5, 6: The lead relies heavily on these ANN sources which are not a reliable source. The encyclopedic section of ANN is editable by anybody so only the news/releases/reviews sections can be considered reliable.
    • I've switched them up. I don't have citations for the theme songs, but I can cite the episodes themselves if you wish. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 18:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I may have missed them, but "Adventures of Mini-Goddess", "Ah! My Goddess: Fighting Wings" and the "OVA series" airdates are uncited.
    • Refs added. They're not from the official sites, but of course, official websites didn't exist in 1993. They are reliable as the information page of Allcinema.net cites them as being a company; not a fansite. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 18:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • For the OVA series the ref added only cites the first date, not the other three. For Adventures of Mini-Goddess it only seems to cite the month range of the series, not all the individual air dates. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other minor fixes
    • ==Notes== should be ==Note==
    • WP:OVERLINKING e.g. Anime International Company, Tokyo Broadcasting System etc. in the lead
      • I can unlink the entire page, but I still feel that each section should link to those pages individually as viewers may skip sections when reading the page. I've unlinked the lead, but that's all I've done so far. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 18:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • What are your opinions on this? NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 03:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • OVA series ep. 3 | Per WP:DASH use spaced ndash or unspaced mdash. Not spaces mdash.
      • I cannot find what you're talking about. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 18:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the catch. I need my eyes checked, heh. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 22:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

  • Ref 21 and 40: park2.wakwak.com/~mi-ke is not a reliable source. It is a fan site. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is a direct copy from official sites that are no longer on the internet. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 19:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm sorry but you saying it is a direct copy of an offline reliable source doesn't hold. You would need to prove it. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Finally cited with definite reliable sources and clarified for airdates, and theme music ref replaced with episode citations. Don't know why I didn't see the refs for the airdates before... NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 20:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 43 doesn't cite what it claims. It mentions no airdates.
    • Column on the right should. It looks fine on my computer, so I don't know what's going on. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 19:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • It is fine, I got a different page to that last time, buts have copied the url wrong or something. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 22: The site ANIPO doesn't cite anthing. If you meant the video, you can't do that (copyvio).
    • I think the Japanese messed with the linking... I had linked to a different site with the "ANIPO" logo in the upper left-hand corner, but the current linked site is a bit... different? I've changed the links. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 19:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The storyline initially parallels the early parts of the original manga and is similar to early episodes of the later 2005 TV series, but it soon moves off onto a tangent of its own" | more context, can you state what some of the parts it paralleled were, and how or to what it becomes
    • I haven't read the manga, so I don't have a clue. I've clarified the connection to the other TV series though. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 22:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ==Adventures of Mini-Goddess== has overlinking of "Pony Canyon" and "Geneon Entertainment"
  • "It had only two"
  • Ref 36 & 37, the titles should not be all in capitals, even if the webpage is.
  • "With Belldandy and Megumi off shopping, Keiichi decides watch a film that has mysteriously arrived in the mail", so did the Ultimate Force get broken somehow..?
    • To tell the truth, I have no clue. It's an anime; they tend to have plot holes like this. They pretty much inexplicably go shopping, so this plot hole is not covered. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 22:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um for the short prose section in ==Ah! My Goddess: Fighting Wings== it might be worth combining all three one sentence "paragraph" into one paragraph.
    • They were separate paragraphs for the others. I've made it into two paragraphs. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 22:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the two Ah! My Goodness seasons, they both say "They are based on the manga series Oh My Goddess!," isn't that fairly obvious on an "Oh My Goddess!" episode page. I would suggest either expanding about what parts of the manga it covers or removing.
    • There is more clarification the paragraphs elsewhere, so I've moved stuff around a bit and removed the unnecessary repetition. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 22:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More

  • Inconsistent naming: Links to List of Adventures of Mini-Goddess episodes and The Adventures of Mini-Goddess. Which one is it "Adventures of Mini-Goddess" or "The Adventures of Mini-Goddess". You might need to move some pages/create new redirects for this one.
    • List of the OC episodes redirects to List of OC episodes, so I see no reason why List of Adventures of Mini-Goddess should be moved to "List of The Adventures of Mini-Goddess" (the proper title). ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 15:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Um no it doesn't. It redirects to List of The O.C. episodes. And regardess, you should be consistent within this list. e.g. It says "Adventures of Mini-Goddess" in the lead. But you claim the official title is The Adventures of Mini-Goddess. Then the section on it is called ==Adventures of Mini-Goddess== but you start that section with the name "The Adventures of Mini-Goddess". Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hmm, musta been superbly tired when I wrote that, as I didn't utter a single proper sentence in that whole post. I have moved the list. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 20:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "However, the later episodes of the OVA, episodes four and five, do not follow the manga or any other TV series." | firstly OVA is a singular, so should be OVA series if it stays, but I think you can remove the later episodes of the OVA completely as it is clear from the previous sentence what is being talked about.
  • It was also reissued twice
  • "also known as Ah! My Goddess: Being Small is Convenient[citation needed]
    • That's the literal translation from the original Japanese title. I've changed the wording to reflect this. I don't believe this still needs to be cited. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 15:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It was directed by Hiroko Kazui and Yasuhiro Matsumura and it was produced by Oriental Light and Magic"
  • "It premiered as a part of the omnibus show Anime Complex on WOWOW and is distributed in North America by Geneon Entertainment, formerly known as Pioneer Entertainment." | these two things seem completely unrelated, split
  • "A boxed set was released" | I'm guessing it is a DVD boxset from the year, but you have mentioned VHS previously so make explicit
  • "the season was licensed to Geneon Entertainmen]," | typo
  • "On January 6, 2005, the season aired in Japan on TBS and ended on July 7, 2005" | The season aired in Japan on TBS from ... to ...
  • "Bandai Visual released the episodes in Japan between April and November 2005, as eight DVD compilations each containing three episodes" | repeatitive episodes, something like Bandai Visual released eight DVD compilations in Japan between April and November 2005, each containing three episodes

Stopped looking, I'm noticing a lot of prose that still needs tweaking. Suggest getting a copyeditor. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • This list has already been copyedited by La Pianista (talk · contribs). Are you suggesting that I need yet another? Most of these prose concerns seem very nitpicky (aside from the typo). ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 15:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I disagree that most of my concerns were nitpicky. Stuff like slitting unrelated sentences, reducing redundancy and ambiguity are all valid concerns to meet criteria 1: "professional standards of writing". My only other concern is the image, I realise someone told you to add it at PR, but I don't think it passes WP:NFCC criteria 8 for inclusion - "only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."

Okay, I have capped my oppose, but given the amount of changes I want give it another once-over before supporting. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right one of my main concerns is that the three Ah! My Goddess were "produced by Tokyo Broadcasting System". Neither of ref 3 or ref 5 comfirm this. I may be wrong, but I wouldn't expect a TV network to be producing a show, just broadcasting it. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's common enough for Japanese anime. I've added references which should help. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 21:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Honestly I still don't think this "exemplifies our very best work". However, it now seems to meet the criteria. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Can you tell me why this isn't the best work so I can fix it? ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 18:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I can't see much wrong with list. Seeing that the Amazon site is only being used to reference its release date, it isn't really a problem. Top work. Sunderland06 (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Is the ending theme for the OVA series "コングラチュレイションズ" or "Omedetou"? If the latter, what is the actual Japanese script? —tan³ tx 00:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry, fixed that. Copypasted the wrong thing (slash I don't speak Japanese). Thanks for the catch. NOCTURNENOIR ( t • c ) 00:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Goodraise (talk · contribs)
Resolved comments
  • "FUNimation" - Maybe it's a borderline case, but per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) I'd write it "Funimation".
  • Reference titles should be taken directly from the pages, from the rendered page, the title bar, cut together from several lines if need be, but not made up yourself. This applies to references #3, #4, and #51.
    • Done. Took some screwing with the HTML source code though... ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 16:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The titles of ref. #47 and #48 should be title-cased.
  • Same goes for references #33 and #40: "DVD-BOX" -> "DVD-Box".
  • Also in the reference titles, replace "　" with " " and "！" with "!".
  • In reference titles, you replaced various forms of dashes with spaced em-dashes. Replace them with spaced en-dashes or unspaced em-dashes.
  • Don't superscript ordinal suffixes.
  • Anime is linked a bit often, but in this case that seems fine.
  • "uu" -> "ū".
  • "Koibito Doshi" (恋人同士 ?) - Use nihongo3 when romaji comes first. Also, a literal translation might be nice.
    • Used a Google translator; someone should fix this if it's wrong. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 16:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The cite episode template has an episodelink field. Use it! ("|episodelink=#ep10" for page internal links and "|episodelink=List of Ah! My Goddess episodes (season 2)#ep14" for Wikipedia internal links)
    • I'll fiddle with this a bit and will fix it later. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 16:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've done the best I can with this; the link doesn't work precisely, but it's close enough. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 20:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not happy with it yet. But I'll look into this myself. -- Goodraise (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Because of the multiple episodes under the same "number," it is impossible to redirect directly to "ああっ片翼の天使降臨っ." I've tried several different combinations after the #, but none redirect, much less to the episode in question. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 18:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Dropping this one, as I have not time to investigate a solution and because it's not that big a deal anyways. -- Goodraise (talk) 17:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Oh My Goddess!, the manga by Kōsuke Fujishima, has had several anime versions broadcast on television." - I don't like this sentence. (Has the OVA series even been broadcast?) I think the rest of the paragraph should be concatenated with the next paragraph and this sentence expended to give a better introduction to the list and to summarize the rest of the lead.

Most of my concerns were addressed during the peer review. -- Goodraise (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support: The list technically meets the criteria. However, there is something about it that just doesn't feel right. In most cases before supporting, I take a last look at the list and find myself thinking: "Yes, that's a featured list! It just hasn't received its star yet." That's not the case here. It's missing that special something more. But since I can't come up with "a specific rationale that can be addressed", I have to support. -- Goodraise (talk) 18:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Instead of posting all my comments here, I will just copy-edit the seven summaries myself. Watch for the hidden comments. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I left <!-- please check --> in some places. This is a notice that my copy-editing of that phrase may have changed the meaning of the plot and you may need to ensure that everything is correct. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Responded to those. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 18:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "who all live in a temple home."-->all of whom live in a temple home.
  • "ran for twenty-four episodes between" Numbers over nine should be written numerically.
  • "who released all 26 episodes on six DVD compilations." Here, comparable quantities should be written the same, so write 26 and 6 or twenty-six and six. (occurs multiple times)
    • This generally confused me, so make sure I fixed this properly please. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 18:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A total of thirteen pieces of"
  • "Several soundtracks and drama CDs were released as well by the Japanese production companies or the holders of the licenses in Region 1." This can easily be converted to the active voice.
  • "In late 1993 through early 1994"-->From late 1993 to early 1994
  • "Kosuke Fujishima's popular Oh My Goddess! series." Is there a source for "popular"?
    • It's a very well-known anime series, so I thought that would be "common knowledge," but upon reflection, it sounds kind of POV. I've removed "popular." ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ( t • c ) 18:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It is distributed " By the use of the present tense, is it correct to assume that the OVA is still being distributed?
  • "The series initially released straight " The series didn't release itself, add "was" after "series".
  • "is a Japanese animated TV series and had 48 episodes during its run between 1998 and 1999."-->is a Japanese animated TV series and that had 48 episodes aired during its run from 1998 to 1999.
  • "The series does not follow the manga closely, developing on the adventures of the miniaturized three goddesses and their rat companion Gan-chan, who live in their temple home."-->The series does not follow the manga closely; instead, it describes the adventures of the miniaturized three goddesses and their rat companion Gan-chan, who live in their temple home.
  • "Pony Canyon to both DVD and VHS." "to"-->on.
  • "It had two pieces of theme music, which were both ending themes."-->The Adventures of Mini-Goddess had two pieces of theme music, both of which were ending themes.
  • "utilizes"--uses
  • "while episodes twelve through twenty-four were ended"-->and episodes twelve through twenty-four were ended
  • Is there a source for the note? You could cite the episode itself.
  • The dab link tool in the toolbox reveals one self-redirect. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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