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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 12:08, 29 August 2009 [1].

List of Last Exile episodes edit

Nominator(s): Arsonal (talk) 07:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because the article now stands at a much improved quality and greater coverage than when I started editing it several days ago. More specifically, episode summaries and information about DVD releases have been included. I believe it meets all the criteria for a featured list. Arsonal (talk) 07:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Image needs alternative text per WP:ALT. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It had one (although I've made it more descriptive now). Is there something wrong with it? Arsonal (talk) 22:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, I'm just blind (not really), although the elaborations are helpful. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've given the article another set of editing. It should be 99.9% free of grammatical errors. Arsonal (talk) 23:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) The writing is good. I'm doing a bit of polishing, and will post any questions I have here.
  • The lead needs a short overview of the plot.
  • Will do. Do I need to reference each sentence to specific episodes? Arsonal (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "However, as the final item of the auction, an artifact believed to be a gateway to the legendary Exile, is introduced, Alex opens the bid with a surprising 10 million Claudia." I don't understand this sentence. Claudia is 10 million? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • All done. Thanks for your help. Arsonal (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As the vanship squadron attempts to anchor cables onto Exile, the ship's defense system activates, but it is able to complete their objective after identifying a weak point" What and where is this "weak point"?
  • "Claus recites all four Mysteria, to which Alvis responds" What is meant by "responds"? Dabomb87 (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Each Mysterion is a question or phrase that has an answer. These answers are locked inside Alvis's brain, and she only reveals them when prompted. What would be a better way to rewrite it? Arsonal (talk) 20:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't think of one off the top of my head, so this is fine. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. I couldn't evaluate the foreign-lanugage sources for reliability.

  • Sources in Japanese come from the official Last Exile website. French and Swedish sources come from the official websites of the respective television networks. According to WP Animanga's list of reliable sources: Anime Fringe is a former published magazine that maintains a public archive; Anime no Tomodachi, which publishes FUNime, is a registered German anime/manga NGO; articles from Mania.com written by staffers are reliable material. Arsonal (talk) 20:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anime Fringe is fine, as are the foreign language sources. I need more for mania.com; are the staffers experts on the subject material? Does mania.com have a good fact-checking method, and/or is it backed up by a major media company? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure if it's backed by a media company. That's something other members of the Project may know about. This particular news item from Mania.com is a copy-and-paste of ADV Films' press releases without any alteration. As the ADV Films website has just been revamped, I doubt the original release is accessible. Alternatively, I could use Amazon.com's product page if that is a more reliable source. Arsonal (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The anime/manga section of Mania.com is formerly AnimeOnDVD one of the most noted anime/manga sites in the industry. The site was sold to Mania.com and rolled into its overall site, however it is still one of the top sites and they are considered experts in the field. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note FLC is currently short of reviewers; please consider reviewing one or more on the nomination list if you have not already (this message is being posted to all running FLCs). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Weak oppose
  • "first thirteen episodes" - 13.
  • What does Ep # mean?
  • Heading is now more descriptive. Arsonal (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Episode Title -> Episode title. Same for the "Airing"s...
  • " a respectable amount of attention " sounds like opinion to me.
  • It's not. It explains the reason for the quick turnaround period for licensing into English and is stated in the source for that statement (Honolulu Star-Bulletin) Arsonal (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Geneon Entertainment DVD Releases" -> releases.
  • You have a mix of ISO and human-readable dates in the references (e.g. "January 25, 2009" vs "2009-08-01" for ref 7) - MOS asks for consistency within the references for date formats.
  • Changed to human-readable format. Arsonal (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Who were the writers of the episodes? Were they always the same or did they change like other TV shows?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Was the director also the same for every episode?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They were the same. Anime series are not like American television shows and almost all have the same writer and director for every episode. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now that all the issues were fixed.Tintor2 (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Goodraise (talk · contribs)

Oppose

  • "... to describe the overarching themes of each episode." - Could this be cited?
  • They are cited in the individual episodes. Each chess term in the official glossaries provides a description of why it is used as a title. Rewriting the reasons themselves would be redundant to giving a summary of the episode. Arsonal (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The source for the first episode note is this web page. Unless I'm mistaken, it doesn't say that "First move" was chosen as title for the first episode to describe the episode's overarching theme. Goodraise 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Statement removed, for now. I have not been able to source this information to any review. G.A.Stalk 22:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Using "Episode" as header for the column containing the episode numbers is slightly confusing.
  • What would you have me use? The Rambling Man has said that "Ep#" is not a clear enough heading. I cannot fix it unless you provide me with the appropriate heading. Arsonal (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ep#" with a note would be acceptable. So would be "Episode #". Goodraise 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A chess player commits zugzwang when he or she is forced to make a bad move." - "commits" -> "is said to be in"
  • "The queen's is the most powerful piece in chess." - "queen's" -> "queen"
  • I find the table layout in the DVDs section displeasing. I'd suggest giving the release dates in the last column and (in the North American releases section) moving the footnotes behind the release dates, rather than behind the volume number.
  • I'd still preferre the dates at the right end, but this is acceptable. Please note though that it doesn't matter what you modeled this list (or part of it) after. This list is up for review here, nothing else. Goodraise 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not happy about that portal link in the references section.
  • Would you have me put it below the article's main image? Arsonal (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally, I'd remove it, seeing as the article has no see also section. My issue here is not that the link is missing in its proper location, it's that it is present in an improper location. The references section should contain only references. Goodraise 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed, as this is not common on episode lists. G.A.Stalk 05:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Official Last Exile episode list" is a description, rather than the actual title of the source. (multiple occurences)
  • This issue remains. {{Cite web}} has a |trans_title= parameter for a reason. Goodraise 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have tried looking at this, but am unsure what you mean, or which references are affected. Please clarify. G.A.Stalk 05:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For example: "Episode 1 Words" is not the title of this web page. If anything, it is a translation of that page's title. Goodraise 10:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would you rather the title be "Words 第1話"? (I am a bit unsure if the .gif is part of the title;) ) G.A.Stalk 11:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know. It's not always a trivial matter to determine the title of a web page. "Words 第1話" seems reasonable, as far a I, with my close to non-existent knowledge of Japanese, can tell. Goodraise 12:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • FUNime -> Funime; FUNimation -> Funimation (per MOS:CAPS)
  • RightStuf.com -> Right Stuf; Mania.com -> Mania (Use the company name, not the domain name. Amazon.com is the exception.)

Goodraise 21:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Everything else has been fixed. Arsonal (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment only for the moment.

  • On the lead, it would seem more natural to establish the series title before the fact that there are 26 episodes. Something like, "Last Exile is an animated television series consisting of 26 episodes". Bland, maybe, but it's concise and establishes the what-it-is and why-we're-here. I'd move Gonzo to the second sentence as that encompasses the creators. I wouldn't bother mentioning the 10th anniversary as that's covered in the main article and nowhere in this list. Likewise, the last paragraph is lifted almost verbatim from the main article doesn't need to be repeated here.
  • Noted. The first sentence seems to be consistent with other anime-related episode lists, though. Likewise with the last paragraph. G.A.Stalk 05:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second paragraph, I think you mean December 6, not 4.
  • Done and verified against source. G.A.Stalk 05:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Episode 2, "ridding himself of feeling ashamed" either needs to be rewritten or removed. Maybe he was "moved by the message"? Incidentally, I haven't seen any of these but, y'know, good faith and all that.
  • Episode 4, "had" died. Also perhaps establish who they're hiding it from, i.e. "from her". You don't mention when Al wakes up, maybe it's not worth mentioning that she's unconscious, for concision's sake. "Wrecks" makes me think of knocking over dishes and tearing down wallpaper. If there are weapons involved I'd consider "attacks"
  • Episode 11, just confirming, the show uses Mysterion and Mysteria and not Mysterions?
  • From what I can recall, yes. G.A.Stalk 05:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Episode 12, should be "...they destroy each other".
  • Episode 13, "cannot feel the same way..." I don't like. Consider separating the repair bit and rewriting the one guy's optimism and her pessimism into the same sentence. Why repeat the note when Cladia isn't mentioned by name?
  • Episode 17, I'd use "in compliance with a ceasefire." Episode 18, "for fear of..."
  • Episode 17 changed. (Unsure about Episode 18.) G.A.Stalk 05:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Episode 21, I noticed something similar to "causing Claus to become upset that she disregards..." earlier too. Why not a more direct "while Claus becomes disturbed by her disregard for..."? Possibly as a separate sentence. "Pleasures" sounds dirty... maybe "indulges in"? "And he no longer recognizes..."

Otherwise, it looks really good. The title notes especially are a nice touch. I'd consider removing a couple of the more obvious wikilinks, duel, ram, tethers, for example. I generally like to maintain a certain percentage of wikilinks too but it can be difficult to find good ones for plot summaries and, fortunately, they're not required at all. If most people are going to know what a word means the blue links only serve as a distraction or to take people away from your article—which I presume you want them to read. That's not a deal breaker though. Doctor Sunshine (talk) 14:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good stuff. I'd still recommend dropping that last paragraph, the 10th anniversary mention and a bunch of the not-so-contextual wikilinks but I'm comfortable supporting the list as is. Doctor Sunshine (talk) 03:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when other reviewers' issues are addressed. Looks quite well written.

  • Any reason that "courier" is linked? "Dubbed"? Readers are expected to be able to read English.
  • Is there a more specific link-target than Chess? Perhaps a section in that article? Or is there a List of chess terms?
  • There may be good reasons not to, but I wonder whether the statement about chess moves at the end of each episode description might go first rather than last (jostling with the boundary, too). In any case, perhaps drop "Note:".
  • You might consider removing the quote-marks from the episode titles; no big deal, though. Tony (talk) 08:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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