Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Harvest Moon titles
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [1].
This list is based off List of Castlevania titles and List of F-Zero titles, which are both featured lists. I believe I have written this list well and it is of featured quality. Salavat (talk) 03:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Support
- The lead is rather short. Add some information about the popularity or something like that. Why is the series as long as it is?
- Added. Added comment from Yasuhiro Wada, from an interview he did from Eurogamer. Salavat (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Add references to the lead.
- Added. Ok i think ive added all necessary references in. Salavat (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The 'e' in english should be capitalised.
- If you wikilink Japan, you should also wikilink North America.
- Wikilink "spinoff"
- Change "spinoff" into "spin-off"
- Added. Not sure about placement though. Salavat (talk) 14:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Actually, using this template is discouraged by the WikiProject Japan (who had created the template originally), because it has been made redundant by the Template:Nihongo. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Template:Contains Japanese text. I've removed the template from the article, although if you believe it is really needed I guess it could be re-added. Kariteh (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of references have incomplete information. Add, where applicable, language, date and author to the references.
- Fixed. Added language to all marvelous entertainment links, and date and author to reference #61 Salavat (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If there is an author, add his name to the parameters "first" and "last", not to the publisher. For instance, your 61th reference says "publisher = Frank Provo, GameSpot". This should be "first=Frank, last=Provo, publisher=GameSpot".
That's all for now. The list has potential and it deserves an fl status in the future. For now, oppose. Baldrick90 (talk) 11:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)I believe you have adequatly addressed my concerns. Your list deserves a little bright star. :-) Good work. Baldrick90 (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: This is a good list. It is comprehensive, stable, factually accurate, and well structured. Nice job Salavat. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Oppose
- Criterion 1, for example: "the North America", "maintain a farm over a period of time" (what do the last five words add?). Needs a copy-edit.
- Fixed "the North America", and "over a period of time" is just helping to explain the gameplay. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What do the Japanese characters add? They appear to be clutter that means nothing on eng.WP. Why the question mark after every kanji item?
- The japenese characters are a basic part of all titles, they are used in the above mentioned featured list of games, and the question mark is part of the "nihongo" template for Help:Japanese. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cr 2—the lead doesn't explain abbreviations such as "NA" and "PAL" that appear repeatedly in the table.
- Added mention of PAL region, shouldnt need to explain every abbreviation as they are wiki linked in the table. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cr 5—MOS breach in the blotchy use of bold in the table.
- The bold is used accordingly for the games titles as is the same in the above mentioned featured list of games. Although per VG GL it mentions "only English title should be bold", ill be happy to change this if someone verifies this (dont no if i read it right). Salavat (talk) 17:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cr 4—Hard to navigate: what info is it in the top right box for each entry? Lots of white space.
- Exactly the same setup as the above 2 mentioned featured lists of games. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Citation requirement—Why the Japanese-language refs? And not all are marked as such. How do we know they're reliable? TONY (talk) 10:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- All references come from reliable sources, either from the developer themselves for the japanese characters or from the game sites such as GameSpot or IGN. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Please take a read of WT:FLC#Straight repetitions of the title in the opening sentence and WP:LS#Bold title regarding (as inferred) the repetition of the article title with "This is a list of....". Perhaps open with "The Harvest Moon video game series was originally produced by Victor Interactive Software...."
- Changed per request. Does make more sense to not be repetitive. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why "North American and PAL"? Surely "NTSC and PAL" would be better, or "North America and Europe"?
- Mainly becuase the NTSC region covers Japan as well. Which cannot be grouped together with North America because of the different release dates and language. JP, NA and PAL is the general way that most video game articles follow. PAL is usually used to cover Australia and Europe as the release dates are generally the same, but when different they are listed seperatly. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "role-playing video games" would be fine, as video game is already linked to in the first sentence
- "One reason the Harvest Moon series has remained popular is because of the unchanged core system of the games." A claim of popularity should be cited in some way. Perhaps by sales figures?
- Im not sure where i could find infomation like that. The main reason that the "popular" part is included was due to a previous request to expand the lead and explain the question of "Why is the series as long as it is?". Maybe, it should be reworded, if so, any help on how i could do that. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "it has been the response to the audience's request, which has created the key philosophy of the series popularity." Seems like that comma shouldn't be there
- Again regarding my second point above, in the tables, why not "NTSC" instead of "NA"?
- I don't like how the references are placed next to words because they are fragmented sentences and don't need punctuation. Could you make each table a colspan=2 cell as a third column of each table and place the references there?
- Following the same layout as List of Castlevania titles, i dont no if this is neccessary. Im not sure how that would look like either. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If not, Back to Nature's ref positions need fixing. For the release dates, ref 14 is placed after a space, but ref 15 isn't. Probably best to remove the space, because it's not there for any other references.
- Can Harvest Moon Online really be included? It hasn't been released, no platform or date has been confirmed, so I think WP:CRYSTAL applies here.
- It is annouced game, as for the lack of a release date and platforms i have left them blank for the main reason to avoid WP:CRYSTAL. I think the game should remain although im not sure if the sentence i have comes under WP:CRYSTAL. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A few issues before I can support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Comments have been addressed. Seems to be alright now. Support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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