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The list was promoted by Giants2008 18:08, 31 July 2011 [1].

List of Front Mission media

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Nominator(s): PresN 18:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, it's back to video game lists for me! Back in December LegaiaRules whipped up this list, and in March I restructured it after List of Final Fantasy video games, an FL I wrote. I didn't get a response from Legaia when I asked him if he wanted to nominate it a few months ago, so now that I'm done with the Hugo lists here it is! This list encompasses everything made relating to the Front Mission video game series, which is much more popular in Japan than in English-speaking countries. Have at it! --PresN 18:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from J Milburn (talk)
Generally looking very nice. A few thoughts-
  • "List of Front Mission media" should be "List of Front Mission media". I forget how that is done; have a root on Template:Italic title
This should be done with {{DISPLAYTITLE}}. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫Share–a–Power[citation needed] 20:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; forgot about that,a s most video game articles set it through the infobox. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "genres besides tactical role-playing into genres" Repetition
  • Can I ask why you have italicised the names of the mechas?
  • Ooh, tricky. The (fictional) convention depends on whether you treat them like ships (italics) or tanks (none); looks like the Gundam pages don't italicize so I'll go with that. Fixed. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The line produced seven action figures, with re-releases of these figures sporting new paint schemes. Toy distributor Palisades released these figures overseas within days of the North American release of Front Mission 3 in 2000." Ref?
  • Turns out that for some reason, finding an RS on a small toy line released a decade ago by a bankrupt company is... nearly impossible. I got one that says that Palisades released them here; anything more needs non-notable hobby websites. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked at the sources, but the content seems good. J Milburn (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a couple of quick questions on source reliability-

  • Siliconera? What makes that reliable?
  • Ugh, can't find the rationale I wrote down somewhere, so swapped it for an IGN ref. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's still one reference to it, sorry. J Milburn (talk) 10:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of Japan"?
  • Dropped as unnecessary and ref'd to the book itself. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • HaksanPublishing?
  • The publishing company for the Korean versions of the novels. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand footnote 43 ("Front Mission Dog Life & Dog Style 06 (프론트 미션 도그..6권". HaksanPublishing.)
  • Fixed; the "l" was missing from "url="
  • Hobby Link Japan?
  • Japanese retailer/wholesaler that sells action figures, models, and books in Japan and North America. It's a commercial source, used to verify that the product ever existed/who made it and when. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mora?
  • Japanese online music retailer a la iTunes; I think it's superfluous to the iTunes ref so removed. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If these are definitely reliable, I'd be happy to offer my support. (I'll note that some people may get annoyed at commercial sources, like iTunes, being used, but I do not consider it a problem at all.) J Milburn (talk) 23:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support, I feel that this article is ready for FL status. J Milburn (talk) 19:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from — Legolas (talk2me) 05:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Legolas2186
  • That group has produced --> Better would be to substitute the name G-Craft
  • besides tactical role-playing ---> a comma after playing
  • The main unique selling point ---> The unique selling point
  • Those black borders really turns me away in reading the article further. Can you please replace them? The dense grey works fine.

I have no idea how to change {{Video game titles}} and {{Video game titles/item}} to use gray instead of black. If you know I'm up for it. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Given that you can get to any reference without first going through the others I think all publishers should be linked rather than making the reader hunt for the first use, the same way we do for sortable tables. I've done this for 15 FLs so far. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for the labels in the Music albums section.
  • No images? At least an image of the toy released would be good.
    • That would still be non-free. J Milburn (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • There are no free-use images that I can find, and they would be decorative and thus ineligible for fair-use. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sorry, I should have been more explanatory. I meant sometimes these game related media have conventions, where they hold their seminars etc and display their media. The image of them in a seminar or press report would pass free media, that klind of image if you find, you can add. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is Hobby Link Japan?
  • See above. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • En-dash in reference titles.
  • Front Mission 4 - Elsa en-dash
  • Front Mission Dog Life & Dog Style, en-dash in between the volume nos and Japan.
  • As I pondered more over the tables, I think they really can be arranged better, The simple table approach, with rowspan="4 should do that. I will think about it later. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've fixed my archiving script to work with Firefox 5, so all of the urls are now archived. --PresN 04:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. On second thought, after PresN pointed out the table format used in other similar articles, I think consistency is more important for me, and I'm happy to accept the tables as it is. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Can't you link "first game of the series"?
  • "The unique selling point of Front Mission is its storytelling approach. " really? not unique any more, surely? Perhaps initially...
  • Was Front Mission released in North America at all (apart from on DS in 2007)?
  • Nope, this series is pretty obscure. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace spaced hyphens with spaced en-dashes (e.g. "Volume 1 - July 9, 1994" should be "Volume 1 – July 9, 1994") - this includes text, game titles and references.
  • Argh, thought I got all those. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure you need all those ISBN numbers in the table when you repeat them all in the references. If you do keep them, format the ISBNs the same.
  • "April 25, 2007 – Manga[30]" vs "September 8, 2010[32] – Manga" - check consistent ref placement.
  • Can you explain what the last two external links are?
  • Dropped, looks like they were a Japanese fan site and the translation project LegaiaRules is in. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Comments –

  • Other media: In the tables, why aren't the games italicized? Everywhere else I look, they are.
  • Toys: Remove hyphen from "highly-realistic"?
  • Books: After "and a reference book titled Front Mission World Historica: Report of Conflicts 1970-2121" is a period, followed by a parenthetical ISBN number and a cite. I'm thinking the period should be moved to in between the parenthetical bit and the cite (this is how such a situation is usually handled). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled the ISBNs like I did in the table in response to TRM above. --PresN 01:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support; good work, I don't know what else to say. I liked the idea way back when of creating a Final Fantasy game list separate from the main "media" list, and it was a good list to take inspiration from. Tezero (talk) 04:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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