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Nominator(s): MWright96 (talk) 17:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This list is about the 71 seasons of the FIA Formula One World Championship that have been held thus far. I have redone this list and hope that it meets the necessary criteria to become a featured list. Looking forward to all comments in this review. MWright96 (talk) 17:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "a series of races, known as Grands Prix, held usually on purpose-built circuits, and in a few cases on closed city streets,[4] the most prestigious of which is the Monaco Grand Prix in Monte Carlo" - wording is ambiguous as to whether Monte Carlo is the most prestigious of the street GPs or of all GPS, might be worth clarifying
  • Note a - might be worth adding a few words to explain why
  • Think that's it from me - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @ChrisTheDude: Have made the appropriate changes MWright96 (talk) 09:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Apologies, but "Grands Prix, held usually on purpose-built circuits, and in a few cases on closed city streets, the most prestigious event of the year which is the Monaco Grand Prix" doesn't really make sense gramatically. Assuming that you mean that Monte Carlo is the most prestigious of the street GPs specifically, I would suggest "Grands Prix, held usually on purpose-built circuits, and in a few cases on closed city streets; the most prestigious of the street circuits is the Monaco Grand Prix" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @ChrisTheDude: Made the change MWright96 (talk) 09:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HumanBodyPiloter5 edit

  • No image illustrating the article, although it's unclear what image one would use. Possibly a picture of a 1950 Formula One car alongside a 2020 Formula One car?
  • Needs a go over with regards to MOS:NUMBER.
  • Opening statement is potentially contentious. Qualifying that you mean world championship seasons specifically in the first sentence may be worthwhile.
  • Not familiar with ChicaneF1 as a source. I see that it is used on some FA-class Formula One related articles however. Will assume in good faith that it's a reliable source unless someone wants to challenge that.
  • A secondary/independent source on the FIA stuff may be prefereable but isn't really necessary as it's not a contentious statement to someone who knows about the subject.
    • Have replaced the FIA source with a secondary reference in AtlasF1 and have made clarifications with it MWright96 (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ESPN source backs up the potentially contentious nature of the opening statement, as it suggests that the first Formula One season may have been in 1946 (although some sources will say 1947 or 1948) with 1950 being the first world championship season. The ESPN source is somewhat ambiguous on the matter, to the degree that it might look self-contradictary to someone without background knowledge.
  • The ESPN source does back up the statement that preceeds it although the wording is rather close to the source. Also I just know it's correct anyway.
  • You may want to add a "not a typo" template to uses of "Grands Prix" since occasionally drive-by editors/bots try to correct it to "Grand Prixs" or "Grand Prix".
  • Can't access book source (ISBN 0-75258-766-8) but the statement is uncontentious so I'll take it on good faith.
  • I would change "the most prestigious of the street circuits is the Monaco Grand Prix held in Monte Carlo" to say "the most prestigous of the street races is the Monaco Grand Prix" as the circuit is the Circuit de Monaco and I'm not sure if it's necessary to specify Monte Carlo here. Source is behind a paywall but the statement isn't contentious so I'll take it on good faith.
  • We know that the minimum number was eight in 2020. It presumably wasn't in 1950 when there were less than eight races. Some sort of "as of" qualifier may make this clearer. Source checks out.
  • 2020 only visited Europe and Asia so a statement regarding force majeure may be worthwhile here. Similarly 1950 only had races in Europe and North America.
  • Explanatory footnote regarding the Indianapolis 500 may be sensible when talking about the number of Grands Prix in a season. If I wanted to be pedantic then I'd argue in favour of using the term "Grandes Épreuves" in the footnote but it's probably not necessary.
  • A secondary source which shows that the rules have always been as they are in the current regulations may be preferable to using the 2020 sporting regulations as a primary source, but again the statements being sourced are not contentious ones.
    • Replaced FIA source with a secondary academic journal source MWright96 (talk) 09:28, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Telegraph source has limited access. Statement is in no way contentious though.
  • "Different car make/engine combinations" is a slightly awkward wording. Personally I would word this as "different combinations of car and engine makes" or "different combinations of chassis and engine makes".
  • Explanatory footnote regarding the 1981 changes may be worthwhile (particularly regarding the Constructors' Championship), provided a source can be found.
  • Another book source I can't access (ISBN 0-946132-63-1), but I will take it on good faith as to my knowledge based off of other sources I've read in the past the statement is true.
  • Forix/8W lists European Champions alongside World Champions. Not massively relevant to this article but I do think a mention of the status of the World Drivers' Championship as the effective successor to the pre-Second World War European Driver's Championship may be warranted, provided suitable sourcing is available.
  • I agree that "a total of 1,035 Formula One World Championship races have been held" is the clearest wording for the average reader. Again a footnote somewhere explaining the somewhat convoluted history of the World Championship may be warranted, but it shouldn't be given undue weight lest it prove distracting and confusing.
  • Checking the stats against sources they all seem correct.
  • I think it would be better to say that "Over 71 seasons there have been 33 participants from 14 different nationalities who have won the World Drivers' Championship. Over 63 seasons there have been 15 teams representing 5 individual nations that have claimed the World Constructors' Championship." than the current phrasing, which puts the "71 seasons" statistic nearer to the Constructors.
  • The list itself is a little on the bare side. I understand that there's a fine balancing act to manage between not including enough information and bombarding the reader with confusing miscellanea, but maybe some information about when the first and last race of each season was held and how many countries held races in each season would be appropriate, providing it can be sourced.
    • Added first and last races of each season to the table MWright96 (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Have now added how many countries staged Grands Prix each season MWright96 (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unsure if it's correct to say that McLaren had 15 points deducted at the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix as to my knowledge they were never awarded those points to begin with. The source given appears to align with my belief.
There's nothing major keeping this from featured status. It needs a little bit more work but if that gets done then I'd happily support this gaining the status.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @HumanBodyPiloter5: I think I have addressed your concerns appropriately. Let me know if there is anything else that needs addressing. MWright96 (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Gerald Waldo Luis edit

Piece of cake: comments resolved, striked to support.

  • First sentence is hard to navigate. The "the highest class" fragment follows "Formula 1", so it's safe to assume that F1 is "the highest class of open wheeled auto racing defined by the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA)." Then there's "motorsport's world governing body". Mind explaining the structure of this sentence?
  • "This can be declared invalid if the FIA grants F1 an waiver for its "long‐established use of the word “World”." Should be ended with an end-quote. Per MOS, replace the curvies with apostrophes (').
  • "Different combinations of chassis and engine makes are considered to be different constructors for the purposes of the Championship. Constructors' Championship points are calculated by adding points scored in each race by any driver for that constructor." Duplicate use of ref 11.
  • "as determined by a points system based on Grand Prix results." Duplicate points system link there. GeraldWL 07:38, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "for F1 Manufacturers in 1958 and its current name"-- I'd have a comma there, to be "for F1 Manufacturers in 1958, and its current name".
  • The header "Races" has ref 13. But below the table there is a sources footer. Should it be rather placed there instead?
  • Recommend adding portals, and if a relevant Wikimedia Commons category exist, that's worth a link too, using Template:Commons-category inline.

That's all I have on this article. Well-composed, overall. As a short Image review, all have suitable license, appropriate captions, and have alt texts. GeraldWL 07:38, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from WA8MTWAYC edit

  • "World Championship" is written with and without capital letters throughout the lead - is it with (World Championship) or without (world championship)?
  • Almost all online sources are archived (which is good). Are you going to update some of the archived sources after each completed season, such as the first one?
  • It's a fine list. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HumanBodyPiloter5 and Gerald Waldo Luis: Have your comments been addressed to your satisfaction?

Also: please note the table in this list does not meet WP:ACCESS requirements. Specifically: the cells of the primary (first) column should be tagged with scope="row", e.g. instead of `|align="center"| 1950` it should be `!scope="row" align="center"| 1950`; if you don't like the way that changes the formatting of the first column change `{|class="wikitable sortable"` to `{|class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders"` at the top. --PresN 16:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from NapHit edit

  • 'and it can be declared a World Championship if the series visits at least 3 continents in that season according to the International Sporting Code.' change to 'The season can be declared a World Championship if the series visits at least 3 continents in that season according to the International Sporting Code.'
  • 'Over 63 seasons, 15 teams representing 5 individual nations that have claimed the World Constructors' Championship with Ferrari ...' I think that is redundant here and there should be a comma after Championship.
  • Instead of having the sources at the bottom of the table, I'd include them next to the header at the top of the table.
  • This one is more of a personal preference, but I'd group the book references into a bibliography rather than put them together with the rest of the links. Looks cleaner to me and it's easier to see what book sources are used.
  • I also concur with @PresN's suggestion above.

Great list! Just a few fixes and this one should be close to receiving the chequered flag! NapHit (talk) 11:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Made a few changes, to fix the bold issue, but other than that, the list in great shape and meets the criteria! Fine work! NapHit (talk) 11:07, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 21:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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