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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:48, 13 May 2010 [1].

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List of Florida Panthers players

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Nominator(s): Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it is on par with other featured list on NHL players. I have never gone through the nomination process before so please be detailed with any changes that need to be made. Thank You Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NMajdan

Comments Regarding Notes A & B, I think that can be assumed and doesn't need to be explicitly mentioned. Removed notes A & B In 1996 the - Need a comma after 1996. Added Comma Panthers made a remarkable run - remarkable is a PEACOCK term. Overall, this whole sentence needs to be reworked. in only their third season of existence is probably not needed since you give the year the team was founded in the opening paragraph and you specify what year they won the Stanley Cup, so you can deduce that it was their third season. reworked sentence However since then - Comma after However. Added comma post season - Post-season is hyphenated earlier in the lead, so why not post season? hyphenated Post-season twice first after the - Again, comma after twice. Added comma following year 2000–01 - Comma after year. Although I question whether the year is even needed here. You mention the 1999-2000 season, then you say and again the following year so you may be able to get by with just wikilinking following year to 2000–01 NHL season. Removed year wikilinked "following year" In 2008 Igor Larionov - Comma after 2008. Added comma 2009–2010 season, 2000–01 and (2000–2001) - You need to pick one date format and stick with it. Either YYYY-YYYY or YYYY-YY (with the exception of the 1999-2000 instance. Standardized to YYYY-YYYY The last paragraph needs to be reworked. There is an inappopriate usage of the semicolon in the first sentence. Removed semicolon I still see it.—NMajdan•talk Sorry, I must have overlooked it. I thought it was one of the edits the other user made before I started to make updates.(gone now)--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 03:16, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Reworked the third paragraph. If my track record is any indication there will be more grammatical errors within the new paragraph. Statistics complete as of the 2009–10 NHL season. - Why is this not italicized? Seems out of place coming at the end of an italicized sentence. Italicized Use em dashes in the empty cells. Changed to em dash The Notes column in the Goaltenders section is not needed if no entry uses it. Removed notes section Using YYYY-YY date format for Greg Adams. Changed to YYYY-YYYY Try to keep font sizes consistent in the Notes column on the Skaters section. Removed small text/removed a note not important to the franchise Do the various categories need to be capitalized in the image captions (i.e. Goals, Points, Assists, etc)? Would you capitalize them outside of the caption? Changed to lower case Fix ref #6. Use only one date format. Changed to have only one format I don't like the placement of the references for the main tables. Consider putting them to a General reference category like here. Changed to be like the example given Tomas Vokoun is Florida's current starting Goalie. - Needs a reference. Also, does Goalie need to be capitalized?—NMajdan•talk Referenced and changed to lower case I don't know if its a MoS requirement, but asterisks and daggers are usually superscripted. Changed to dagger to superscript. I think the asterisks are fine. Why the smaller font size in the Goaltenders Key and not the other two? I copied from the Sabers page because I was having trouble with the column split, I must have some how deleted the other two. Changed to all be the same size. Bryan McCabe is Captain of the Panthers. - Reference? Referenced (in notes section) Stephen Weiss has played his entire career in Florida. - Reference? Referenced David Booth scored 31 Goals for Florida in the 2008–09 season. - Reference? Referenced Keith Ballard was traded to Florida following the 2007–08 season. - Reference? Referenced in new intro Looks like you need to reference some of your notes. The references for the main tables make no mention of draft picks, captains, or Hall of Famers. Referenced notes not referenced in the into Overall, there are a lot of issues with the prose in the lead, so right now, this list does not meet FL criteria #1. In an October 24, 2007 game vs. the Philadelphia Flyers - This sentence seems a little odd. The first part makes it sound like there were more than one game on this date. Also, you should spell out versus. So, maybe something like On October 24, 2007, Olli Jokinen score two goals against the Phildelphia Flyers to become the franchise's.... Changed assists surpassing - Comma after assists. Added comma mark for games played. A mark Jokinen fell just six - Doesn't seem like there should be a sentence stop here; they flow like they're on sentence. Made into one sentence No one player dominates the Panthers' post-season record book like Jokinen does the regular-season version. - Seems a bit peacocky again. The Panthers' all-time goaltender records are dominated by two names. - Same as above. Reworked both sentences. The last sentence in the four paragraph seems a bit odd. Also, you may want to put in more clearer terms what "owns the mark/holds the mark" is. Reworked last sentence. changed "mark" to record for clarification. There are still some dates in the YYYY-YY format in the Notes column. Changed to YYYY-YYYY Not a requirement, but something I suggest for Featured Lists. Look into archiving some of your web sources with WebCitation to help prevent link rot. Archived several references. Stat based links are going to change and be used to update player information so I did not archive them. Currently, there are a lot of issues with the list, especially with the lead. Compared to the lead in List of Philadelphia Flyers players, this one is a little short and has prose issues. The lead is still a bit shorter than the Flyers page, but is longer than some of the other featured Lists such as List of Atlanta Thrashers players. The Atlanta list was promoted to FL over two years ago whereas the Philadelphia list was promoted in early April and is thus more indicative of the tougher FL guidelines in place now.—NMajdan•talk 15:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the clarification.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC) —NMajdan•talk 21:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC) With some help from User:Baseballa449, I have made some changes. I will get to the others ASAP. Thanks for the detailed comments they have been very helpful --Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support.—NMajdan•talk 14:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments from Harrias ^talk

• Lots of sortability issues in the table. Goaltenders ties sort 0, 1, 13, 14, 2, 22, 32, 42, 5, 6. Have a look at the sortkeys used in the Flyers list for an idea how to solve this. Unfortunately it is very arduous to put in place, and makes the page a lot bigger and slower to load. But otherwise, the table sorts completely wrong, like here.

Changed to be like given example.

• Same issue with OTL, (PO)GP, (PO)L for goaltenders, and all playoff columns for skaters.

Started the Change over. It's a long process but should be done in the next day or so Changed all to sortkey style, like Flyers page.

• In your note:all games will have a winner – 'will' implies future tense, which is misleading.

Removed "will"

Harrias ^talk 13:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Support all looks good to me know, well done! Harrias ^talk 07:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Quick comments but an oppose for now... Link expansion team, it's not clear for non-experts. Linked. Is it post-season or playoffs? Both are commonly used but changed all to playoffs. Is it regular-season or regular season? Made all regular-season. " the following year" that links to a season spanning two years, not a single year. changed to "following season" since an NHL season covers two calender years. "Olli Jokinen score two" scored? Fixed "the 2007-2008 season" en-dash please. Changed "Thanks to the ..." not necessarily. Perhaps "Playing in the 1996..." Reworked Why is Wing capitalised? Changed to lower case. And "Losses" of "Overtime Losses"? Changed to lower case. What does "jersey retired" mean to a non-expert? Wiki linked and changed to retired number. "Roberto Luongo is Florida's career leader in several categories." maybe "career-leading goaltender"? Changed to list the categories he leads. Don't like "goalie" - too colloquial for an encyclopedia. Changed all to "goaltender". "Bryan McCabe is Captain of the Panthers." why capital C for captain? Strange I thought I had fixed that. Any way it's fixed now. "Stephen Weiss has played his entire NHL career in Florida.[8]" no need to relink NHL. Removed link. " is the only form Panther player" what's a "form player"? A form player is a grammatically incorrect player. changed to "former". "Jay Bouwmeester is second all-time in franchise history for assists and points, form a defensemen" what does "form a defensemen" mean? Do you mean "from a defenseman"? And do you have a reference? Yes. Changed to "from". I got the info from the chart but will try to find a reference. "Keith Ballard was traded to Florida following the 2007–08 season." referenced? This is referenced in the intro, as he was part of the Jokinen deal, but I can also add it in the caption if you think that it is better to have it referenced in both places. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC) Goaltenders key table has a blank cell for no apparent reason. This is a common thing on NHL player list, as there is not an even number of abbreviations for goaltenders to fill up the entire table. There are currently 9 FL with the exact same table or one similar. (Jackets, Canucks, Sabres, Flames, Wings, Devils, Senators, Sharks, and Lightning ) It doesn't really matter if it's in other lists, it looks odd and can easily be removed. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC) Although I think that the above shows a precedent for leaving the a blank cell, I have changed the way the table is displayed to remove the blank.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 13:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments – Can I talk you into a Southeast Division (NHL) link at the start? Linked "In 1996, the Panthers had their most successful season making a run to the Stanley Cup finals, losing in the Stanley Cup Final to the Colorado Avalance." Comma after "season"; also, the last part is terribly repetitive. How about "to the Stanley Cup Final, losing to the Colorado Avalance."? Fixed Another comma after "inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame". Added comma Is the full detail of the Jokinen trade really appropriate for the lead of a list it has little to do with? It would probably be enough to just say that he was traded. Changed "However, with the Panthers struggles to make the playoffs...". Apostrophe needed at end of team name. Fixed Comma after Ray Sheppard. Added comma Remove colon at end of "Roberto Luongo holds the franchise regular-season records for:". Removed Note a: Replace comma after "all games have a winner" with semi-colon. Changed Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC) One more thing: on a second look I still don't think "making it to the Stanley Cup Finals, losing to the Colorado Avalanche" is the best grammar possible. How about "making it to the Stanley Cup Finals before losing to the Colorado Avalanche."? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC) Changed

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

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