Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Florida Marlins team records/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 21:11, 9 September 2011 [1].

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List of Florida Marlins team records

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• Featured list candidates/List of Florida Marlins team records/archive1

Nominator(s): Albacore (talk) 18:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because... it's the next article in the series. However, I have two major issues with this list that I would appreciate some input on. First (the more fixable of the two), the third paragraph of the lead is really weak, but I can't find anything else to add to it. Next, more problematic, is the fact that the Marlins season team records page doesn't list any team season records outside miscellaneous records, as opposed to, say, the Mariners team season records, which lists stats, not miscellaneous records. So, should I add the misc. records or not? On a related note "Individual single-game records" was changed to "team single-game records" due to a lack of single-game records. Albacore (talk) 18:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:05, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments – I see that MLB.com's coverage of the topic is lacking. The misc. records don't strike me as having much value, but I do see a way to get most of the team season records. Baseball-Reference lists year-by-year team statistics on these pages, which should contain most of the stats you use in these lists. Just sort each category you want to use and they will give you your record-holding teams. Added. Can the hatnote there be formatted in the same way as the other sections? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC) Fixed. "based in the U.S state of Florida." Missing a dot after S in U.S. Added. "The Marlins were granted a Major League team in 1993 as a part of the 1992 Major League Baseball expansion draft." Don't like any of the wording here. The expansion draft was to stock the new clubs, which were known to be Florida and Colorado; it had nothing to do with the selection of expansion cities. Also, I wouldn't say the Marlins were granted to the Marlins. The region (South Florida, according to the source) was given the team. Reworded. It still says they were added to MLB in an expansion draft, which isn't true. How about saying "The Marlins became members of MLB as an expansion team in the 1993 season."? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC) Reworded. "of team members during their tenure as Florida Marlins...". Shouldn't "tenure" be "tenures", since this refers to multiple players? Also, I don't think Florida needs to be repeated here. Removed Florida, added "s". "in Major League Baseball's National League East." Might as well use the abbreviation for MLB, since it's in the opening. Used. "No Marlin holds a major league or National league record for any of the below statistics." Capitalization needed for the leagues' names. Caps added. "However, the Marlins are tied with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and the Houston Astros for the shortest losing streak as a team". This is actually the shortest franchise record losing streak, isn't it? I would word it that way to avoid confusion; there are going to be 15 teams with a losing streak following today, after all. Reworded. In the Mike Lowell photo caption, add an apostrophe at the end of Marlins. Fixed. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:30, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments "shortest franchise record losing streak" what a curious record, the shortest longest losing streak?! Yes. Not convinced the right column has been selected to be in scope for records. The value on its own is useless, but the type of record would seem most important? Since the article is on team records the record itself would be most important. The reverse could also be said and would be true. (that the type of record would be useless without the stat). Albacore (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC) Could you not add the team's that the Marlins were playing in the single-game records? Removed. I meant, please do add the teams. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC) Of course... added. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments I'm not sure the table key should be in small font size I'm sure this fails WP:ACCESS The alignment in the players tables is all central, yet in the team tables the name of the record is aligned to the left, personally I would like to see the names of the players and the record in the players records section aligned to the left. Both fixed. Albacore (talk) 18:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC) Apart from those quibbles its a great list. NapHit (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

• Support great work, well done NapHit (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• Comment / Slight oppose Support First big thing, this may be the style so far for these lists but I hate the repeated use of "the holder" or "the holder of" in the image captions. First off it's massively passive voice, and second it just sounds awkward. Why, eg, "Josh Johnson, the holder of two career records for the Marlins" and not "Josh Johnson holds two career records for the Marlins". "Dan Uggla is tied for the Marlins' single-season extra base hits record" as opposed to "Dan Uggla, the co-holder of the single-season extra-base hits record", etc. Staxringold _talk^contribs 14:46, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Albacore (talk) 12:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

• And looking at that Uggla entry... Why are tied-records listed twice (ie, Shutouts and Shutouts, XBH and XBH)? Why not simply span the record title across 2 rows? Staxringold _talk^contribs 14:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done per ACCESS concerns specified in this comment. Albacore (talk) 12:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments

1. Huge amount of white space between end of tables and images. I think setting it to 80-85% would be better. PumpkinSky talk 20:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Taken care of. Albacore (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

For some reason 80% jacked up the layout on my screen, which is a standard screen, though 80% works on other lists, so I changed it to 76%.

1. Why is "baseball-reference.com." lower case but "Marlins.MLB.com" and "Retrosheet" upper case? PumpkinSky talk 23:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Decapped retrosheet; changed to MLB.com Albacore (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Support now. PumpkinSky talk 02:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I'm a bit iffy on why the tables are so wide. For the most part they could be thinned out, since there's not a huge amount of info in any columns. If it's to maintain consistency with other lists in this topic then I won't worry about it, but it did throw me off. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Not to maintain consistency; only changed List of Oakland Athletics team records. I'd like to hear what PumpkinSky has to say on this one. Albacore (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Because before there was about a 3" white gutter between the tables and the photos--a huge waste of white space, it also makes for more scrolling as it forces the page to be longer. Not mention that much white space is hugely unattractive. They don't seem any wider than other list tables to me.PumpkinSky talk 18:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. Support. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:09, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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