Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Croatian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 16:13, 13 July 2011 [1].

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List of Croatian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film

List of Croatian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): GregorB and Timbouctou (talk) 01:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the FL criteria and closely resembles similar FL articles such as List of German submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film and List of German submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film. The article was originally created in March 2008 and has been worked on recently by User:GregorB and myself. All comments are welcome. Timbouctou (talk) 01:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comments by Kebeta:
  • IMO, the lead could be a bit longer.
  • The last sentence of second paragraph, and the last paragraph of the lead should be cited.
  • There are no dab links, but one ext links don't work - see The Motion Picture Credits Database. I propose that you just delete this one.
  • You will need to have a proper "alt text" for the image of Vinko Brešan.
  • Overall, nice work by you two guys. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 22:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Here is a couple of quick responses:

• I feel that the lead is about right - will consider this one, though.
• Good point about the citations. Will be provided.
• MP Database Credits URL fixed.
• Not sure about the alt text - is this actually a requirement? The other corresponding FL-class lists do not have it.

Thanks for the input... GregorB (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Update:

• Reference added to the second paragraph.
• Alt text for the image provided.

Reference for the third paragraph is pending. GregorB (talk) 09:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The offending claim has been removed, and the content of the last two paragraphs has been rearranged somewhat. Citation-wise, the intro should be fine now. GregorB (talk) 11:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Everything looks fine now in the article, except here it doesn't - it shows one dead link, although it's not 'dead'? --Kebeta (talk) 19:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well the link is not actually dead but I removed it as the database is not really relevant to this particular list (the database has almost no information about past foreign language film nominees). Timbouctou (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support: all my concerns have been dealt with.--Kebeta (talk) 21:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments –

• In the third paragraph of the lead, there are two instances of faulty hyphen usage (not "Croatian-based"; the ones after that). To fix them, you can make them either a spaced en dash (smaller dash) or an unspaced em dash (bigger dash). Depends on your own preferences.
• In the original title column, Cudnovate zgode Segrta Hlapica doesn't seem to be sorting in the proper order, unless it's meant to be sorted by the word that starts with z. The diacritics at the start of the title may be responsible for that. May need a sort template of some sort to correct it if necessary. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for comments. Both issues fixed. I replaced hyphens with spaced en dash and I used template:hs to fix sorting order in the original title column. I also fixed entries for "A Wonderful Night in Split" and "The Blacks" in the English title column so that the sorting ignores articles "a" and "the" at the beginning of titles. Timbouctou (talk) 01:44, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments "It was not created until ... Award, was created for non-English speaking films" - "created" in quick repetition. Is it Marshall or Marshal? Our own article redirects Marshall back to Marshal... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC) "Introduced" is now used to avoid repetition. "Marshal" is correct per multiple sources, including film.hr, The Guardian and IMDb. Fixed accordingly. GregorB (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC) In fact, the question was not which title was correct, but which title was used in the nomination. Per oscars.org source (now provided), it was Marshall, so I've changed it back, now with a piped link to the film article. GregorB (talk) 17:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Yeah, it seems to be a question of British vs. American spelling. The film was screened internationally as "Marshal" but the Academy referred to it as "Marshall". Gregor's solution works best IMO. Timbouctou (talk) 03:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC) I agree that the verifiable spelling (i.e. that used by the nomination) should be used here. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment on the name of the organization that selects these films. It looks, from what's on the talk page, as if a Wikipedian translated the name of this organization themselves. And then the initials obviously don't match. I assume they represent the name in the original -- but then there's no mention of what that is... Honestly, I don't know the style guidelines on this, but I'd like to see it resolved before I can pledge my support. Bobnorwal (talk) 02:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The organisation's full native name is Hrvatsko društvo filmskih djelatnika or HDFD for short, which literally translates as Croatian Association of Film Workers. Since an official translation of their name does not seem to exist there are several variants used in English, and Film Artists' Association of Croatia seems to be the most common [2], [3], [4]. I've added the full native name to explain where HDFD comes from. Timbouctou (talk) 02:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support, then... good job, all in all! Bobnorwal (talk) 03:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment overall, the article appears well written, comprehensive but not overwhelming, containing a properly weighted lead. In those terms the first three FL criteria are in my opinion met. I would prefer to see the last sentence of the second paragraph cited - the references are already there in the table, but still... Otherwise the nomination seems fine to me.--Tomobe03 (talk) 20:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Hm, I'm not sure about that. The last sentence of the second paragraph would require eight references which would make it look like an overkill. Besides, the lede is just a summary of the body per WP:LEAD and shouldn't require referencing if what it states is supported by sources in the body. Timbouctou (talk) 13:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, WP:LEADCITE does provide for omission of citations in the lead on "case by case basis" if there is such a consensus. I personally don't think this to be a contentious issue really. Should a handy source amalgamating the information become available I suggest using it in this place, just to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

Support, as I see no other issue left to address at this point. Good job.--Tomobe03 (talk) 22:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)

Comments Since achieving independence from Yugoslavia, Croatia has submitted 19 films... - This sentence should have an end date, something like "as of 2011, Croatia has submitted 19 films since independence..." Fixed. It's as of 2010, the 2011 submission is yet to be determined. Timbouctou (talk) 05:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC) In the references, frst citation is for submissions and the second one is for nominations, is this a correct guess on my part? There should be such note that states it clearly. Yes you are correct. I've added a note and it should be fixed now. Timbouctou (talk) 05:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Current reference for Countess Dora's submission leads me to the home page of the official website of croatia-film where I don't see anything that shows that film was submitted. A note in the reference should be added to navigate the reader to the right page. Um, I'm not sure what to put in the note. It is a partially translated flash site talking about the Croatia Film production company. Assuming you clicked the English-language main page, you should go to Production→Awards and Recognitions and then in the window that opens scroll down to the year 1993 and "KONTESA DORA" where it says Hrvatski predstavnik za Oscara (Eng: Croatian submission for the Oscar award). I don't know why that bit is not translated. Timbouctou (talk) 05:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC) The simplest way would be to change the title of the link to "Croatia Film - Production - Awards and Recognitions". That would help the readers to go straight to production.--Cheetah (talk) 06:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Done. Timbouctou (talk) 06:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC) --Cheetah (talk) 03:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support--Cheetah (talk) 04:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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